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DropKickFlutie

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I found this to be an excellent article.

I have a minor gripe that I think Lombardi gives a little bit too much away in terms of how the Patriots think. But I think this article and explanation is extremely rationale, a great explanation of how to draft, and also how teams stack their board across a 2x2 Matrix (Horizontal all positions, vertically within positions).

The key takeaway is you figure out, horizontally, how the best (and next-best) guys stack to each other in terms of absolute talent across all positions. It's a little bit like a Big Board, who are the best players period? Then you have vertical groupings within position so you know who is better than each other within a position, and what anticipated round. I guess the secret sauce is who you anticipate the other 31 teams to want to pick, by round or position. Also enter in the obligatory comment to cross-out any player who was only evaluated by Josh McDaniels.


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holyredeemer

In the Starting Line-Up
I found this to be an excellent article. This enclosed link is one of the best articles I've read in awhile about the draft, after brdmaverick's draft value groupings CLASSIC post from probably 15 years ago at this point (it's spot-on).

I have a minor gripe that I think Lombardi gives a little bit too much away in terms of how the Patriots think. But I think this article and explanation is extremely rationale, a great explanation of how to draft, and also how teams stack their board across a 2x2 Matrix (Horizontal all positions, vertically within positions).

The key takeaway is you figure out, horizontally, how the best (and next-best) guys stack to each other in terms of absolutely talent across all positions. It's a little bit like a Big Board, who are the best players period? Then you have vertical groupings within position so you know who is better than each other within a position, and what anticipated round. I guess the secret sauce is who you anticipate the other 31 teams to want to pick, by round or position. Also enter in the obligatory comment to cross-out any player who was only evaluated by Josh McDaniels.


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TLDR. ——>Keep McDaniels away from the horizontal board.;)

Seriously though. Fantastic quick read. Thanks for the share!!!
 

DropKickFlutie

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
TLDR. ——>Keep McDaniels away from the horizontal board.;)

Seriously though. Fantastic quick read. Thanks for the share!!!

Thanks. I think the fun begins when one goes through hopefully 100 scenarios the Pats discuss before the draft, like at #15 xyz are available, who do we take? Or it looks like at pick #11 xyz are still available, do we trade up? All these scenarios are fun to game-theory and plan for. The bottom line is whatever that 1 or 2 key voice is next to Belichick is KEY. We should elevate a guy like Eliot Wolf. Belichick grew up with his dad a master scouting methods guy, Eliot Wolf likely has a lifetime of team personnel building knowledge from his dad Ron. We can debate the nepotism argument later, it's clear college and NFL football (maybe society in general? ) is extremely unfair towards nepotism.


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Bill Lee

What, me worry?
I found this to be an excellent article. This enclosed link is one of the best articles I've read in awhile about the draft, after brdmaverick's draft value groupings CLASSIC post from probably 15 years ago at this point (it's spot-on).

I have a minor gripe that I think Lombardi gives a little bit too much away in terms of how the Patriots think. But I think this article and explanation is extremely rationale, a great explanation of how to draft, and also how teams stack their board across a 2x2 Matrix (Horizontal all positions, vertically within positions).

The key takeaway is you figure out, horizontally, how the best (and next-best) guys stack to each other in terms of absolute talent across all positions. It's a little bit like a Big Board, who are the best players period? Then you have vertical groupings within position so you know who is better than each other within a position, and what anticipated round. I guess the secret sauce is who you anticipate the other 31 teams to want to pick, by round or position. Also enter in the obligatory comment to cross-out any player who was only evaluated by Josh McDaniels.


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Interesting, this is the second "content bomb" that Curran has pulled out of Lombardi's podcast recently.

His podcast with Perry spent a lot of time dissecting a recent Lombardi podcast on our draft, I started a thread about it here:


I listened to the podcast this new article was based on, and wasn't surprised that Curran dissected that one as well.

It seems the love is mutual, because Lombardi dissected the podcast my thread was about.

Bottom line, I think it's far more important to try to understand how BB values players and how he organizes his draft than it is to tune in to all the media driven hype, a lot of which is based on outright disinformation.

It's interesting to think that each one of the NFL teams have this hierarchy of scouts (national, regional, positional) and huge budgets to put together their draft boards, and then media members some how think they can decide how each team will pick when most of the teams don't even know how they will pick till they're on the clock.
 

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Thanks. I think the fun begins when one goes through hopefully 100 scenarios the Pats discuss before the draft, like at #15 xyz are available, who do we take? Or it looks like at pick #11 xyz are still available, do we trade up? All these scenarios are fun to game-theory and plan for. The bottom line is whatever that 1 or 2 key voice is next to Belichick is KEY. We should elevate a guy like Eliot Wolf. Belichick grew up with his dad a master scouting methods guy, Eliot Wolf likely has a lifetime of team personnel building knowledge from his dad Ron. We can debate the nepotism argument later, it's clear college and NFL football (maybe society in general? ) is extremely unfair towards nepotism.


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There are many kings who learned their "jobs" from their dads. They still sucked.
 
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Bill Lee

What, me worry?
Thanks. I think the fun begins when one goes through hopefully 100 scenarios the Pats discuss before the draft, like at #15 xyz are available, who do we take? Or it looks like at pick #11 xyz are still available, do we trade up? All these scenarios are fun to game-theory and plan for. The bottom line is whatever that 1 or 2 key voice is next to Belichick is KEY. We should elevate a guy like Eliot Wolf. Belichick grew up with his dad a master scouting methods guy, Eliot Wolf likely has a lifetime of team personnel building knowledge from his dad Ron. We can debate the nepotism argument later, it's clear college and NFL football (maybe society in general? ) is extremely unfair towards nepotism.
The Curran piece suggests that it really is just one other person, whomever is Caserio's replacement as Director of Pro Personnel.
 

DropKickFlutie

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
Interesting, this is the second "content bomb" that Curran has pulled out of Lombardi's podcast recently.

His podcast with Perry spent a lot of time dissecting a recent Lombardi podcast on our draft, I started a thread about it here:


I listened to the podcast this new article was based on, and wasn't surprised that Curran dissected that one as well.

It seems the love is mutual, because Lombardi dissected the podcast my thread was about.

Bottom line, I think it's far more important to try to understand how BB values players and how he organizes his draft than it is to tune in to all the media driven hype, a lot of which is based on outright disinformation.

It's interesting to think that each one of the NFL teams have this hierarchy of scouts (national, regional, positional) and huge budgets to put together their draft boards, and then media members some how think they can decide how each team will pick when most of the teams don't even know how they will pick till they're on the clock.

Yeah I slightly pull back bc I know Curran has a pro-Brady slant to his articles, but this article is all truth.

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DropKickFlutie

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
The Curran piece suggests that it really is just one other person, whomever is Caserio's replacement as Director of Pro Personnel.

Sounds like another John Carroll teammates of McDaniels (Ziegler), Ziegler has been here since 2012 and it's sucked since then (since the same period when McDaniels came back)

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DropKickFlutie

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
TLDR. ——>Keep McDaniels away from the horizontal board.;)

Seriously though. Fantastic quick read. Thanks for the share!!!

I'll add this here since he seems to make a new thread per day. I do appreciate the EFFORT (that's all it is) but then you have censors here like BGC who pretend they're know-it-alls. NOPE. Look at his past excels which he gleefully posts. He's WRONG a lot of times. He's talking about Trey Lance like the 2nd coming based on limited evidence. Keeps acting like he's the only one who looks at tape. Nope, I've had all-22 tape for the last 6 years. These pretenders will try to censor people which is super weird. If all they wanted was some passive glory / pat on the back for trying real-hard, it very silly to be policing thought on this forum as if anyone who disagrees with them somehow knows less. NOPE. We know your record going back 10 years and it's not very good.

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Ochmed Jones

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That article is interesting, and if bb followthe program as it is laid out in the article, there is no way that we ever take Jordan Richards in the second round!

the arrogance of bb has led to 5 straight years of subpar drafting!

Except for special teams, we have not drafted many pro bowlers over the last 5 years and that is inexcusable!

if bb does not nail this draft, we are doomed to repeat 2020 starting in 2022!
 

Deus Irae

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I found this to be an excellent article. This enclosed link is one of the best articles I've read in awhile about the draft, after brdmaverick's draft value groupings CLASSIC post from probably 15 years ago at this point (it's spot-on).

I have a minor gripe that I think Lombardi gives a little bit too much away in terms of how the Patriots think. But I think this article and explanation is extremely rationale, a great explanation of how to draft, and also how teams stack their board across a 2x2 Matrix (Horizontal all positions, vertically within positions).

The key takeaway is you figure out, horizontally, how the best (and next-best) guys stack to each other in terms of absolute talent across all positions. It's a little bit like a Big Board, who are the best players period? Then you have vertical groupings within position so you know who is better than each other within a position, and what anticipated round. I guess the secret sauce is who you anticipate the other 31 teams to want to pick, by round or position. Also enter in the obligatory comment to cross-out any player who was only evaluated by Josh McDaniels.


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I think the key takeaway is that you're not worth reading anymore, and are off to ignoreland.
 

holyredeemer

In the Starting Line-Up
I'll add this here since he seems to make a new thread per day. I do appreciate the EFFORT (that's all it is) but then you have censors here like BGC who pretend they're know-it-alls. NOPE. Look at his past excels which he gleefully posts. He's WRONG a lot of times. He's talking about Trey Lance like the 2nd coming based on limited evidence. Keeps acting like he's the only one who looks at tape. Nope, I've had all-22 tape for the last 6 years. These pretenders will try to censor people which is super weird. If all they wanted was some passive glory / pat on the back for trying real-hard, it very silly to be policing thought on this forum as if anyone who disagrees with them somehow knows less. NOPE. We know your record going back 10 years and it's not very good.

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Did you mean to quote someone else?
 

DropKickFlutie

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
That article is interesting, and if bb followthe program as it is laid out in the article, there is no way that we ever take Jordan Richards in the second round!

the arrogance of bb has led to 5 straight years of subpar drafting!

Except for special teams, we have not drafted many pro bowlers over the last 5 years and that is inexcusable!

if bb does not nail this draft, we are doomed to repeat 2020 starting in 2022!

The draft well has been dry for several years and we were carried by the 2009-2012 draft classes that are now retiring or getting old. Unfortunately the free agents were all overpays and none of them game changers except for maybe Judon or Smith.
 

50-yard-line

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
The draft well has been dry for several years and we were carried by the 2009-2012 draft classes that are now retiring or getting old. Unfortunately the free agents were all overpays and none of them game changers except for maybe Judon or Smith.
Hmm, interesting analysis there...

2009 Chung, who left and came back, Vollmer, and Edelman

2010 McCourty and Gronkowski

2011 Solder, Shane Vereen, Marcus Cannon

2012 gave us Hightower as the only player to contribute to the SBs. I guess Jones helped in 2014. Other than that, Ebner.

So, in '09, you got an OL and two guys who didn't blossom for the entirety of their rookie deals. But you've already dismissed Thuney, Mason, Onwenu, and Andrews on the OL, and won't give others more than a year or two before their "busts."

2010 was a hit, but the big guy could have easily had a career to mirror Easley or Dowling, right? I mean, that's why he was there.

2011 Again, couple of decent OL, but you've already dismissed those guys in recent drafts, and a running back who wasn't even as productive as Michel and nowhere near as promising as Harris.

2012 Hightower. So the later run was wholly offensively propelled by 3 OL, a WR, a TE, and a RB, while the defense that shut down the rams was nothing without McCourty and Hightower.

Seriously, your memory or or reasoning is garbage here, buddy. Those guys I listed were the only ones from those four drafts who were around for the run. Vereen and Jones were gone by the second SB, Solder was gone by 18, and Vollmer never got off PUP in 2016 and retired.

Yes, Gronk was a generational steal, and Edelman all-time Pat, and McCourty and Hightower...those were the blue chippers of those drafts. That's it. I understand that wistful nostalgia is a thing, but the 14-18 Patriots were a lot more than that, including draftees - White, Collins, Jon Jones, Mitchell, Michel, Andrews, Mason, Thuney, Malcom Brown, Logan Ryan, Duron Harmon, Butler, Jackson, Trey Flowers, Wynn...

Your narrative suits your agenda, but doesn't jibe with reality.
 

DropKickFlutie

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
Yes, Gronk was a generational steal, and Edelman all-time Pat, and McCourty and Hightower...those were the blue chippers of those drafts. That's it.

The drafts from 2013 onward haven't been good. Multiple analysts have shown, via different metrics, the Patriots have been one of the worst drafting teams and it's finally caught up to us.
 

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