N’Keal Harry Requests Trade

[Sicilian]

Arizona may be interested in Harry as a flyer, but it won't be at the expense of a player who's actually produced at times in his early career. It will either be one of their own reclamation projects or a pick.

 

[Uptown]

Oh I get your point, but I ask again, why would they want Harry then? What is teh benefit to them? I mean it helps the pats because, hell yeah thats a good trade. I am just not sure why Az would do it for at best a 5th option at wideout. I hear some of your points, but I just think they could find better options if that is how they wanted to go.

I mean I could make up any scenario, but ultimately nobody truly knows what/how they’re thinking. I’m sure they could find better options as well, but like I said..they inquired about Harry, so they obviously see value.

 

[Kontradiction]

You can see me squirming… how? Are you watching me like some creeper from down on the street, peeping in my windows? Your obsession with Harry is only dwarfed by your obsession with me… creepy.

Ironic being that you’re the one who initially replied to me… about a conversation I was having with someone else. The rest of the post might be too funny.

I’m not arguing X’s and O’s with you because you’re willfully ignorant.

Willfully ignorant is a strange way of tap-dancing around the fact that you’re out of your depth in an X’s and O’s conversation with me.

Now you’re blaming the video quality, as if you can’t see the slot receivers or where they’re lined up from it lol. I almost forgot… you don’t believe video evidence or what we see with our eyes, what’s more important is the messenger.

The quality on the video is fine. The highlights take place after the snap, making it damn near impossible to see alignment. I’m beginning to wonder if you even watched that video before posting it. The All-22 is better. You get multiple angles, pre-snap, post-snap, down, distance, personnel grouping, etc. Byrd was mostly aligned at the X, though he did spend some time at the Y and Z.

I love how you lump all the money they gave to two TE’s and Agholor then pretend Bourne was a crucial signing because of the combined money paid to all four. Three are highly paid, Bourne is paid blah and the team has an out after one season.

They all should be lumped together because it shows how Chatham’s “weaponz” argument was such a brutally bad take that aged like a leftover beer in a Solo cup after a keg party. They gave nearly $80M in guaranteed money to two TEs and two WRs. The team clearly thought that the weapons needed to be upgraded. Chatham did not. The team was right. Chatham was wrong. The take sucked. Most of his takes have little basis in reality because they’re seen through the lens of being a homer, but that one aged terribly.

Two WR’s are gone and two replaced them, Nixon is a 7th round pick with good athleticism… again, I’d love to see him stick so the entire WR room outside of Agholor will be homegrown talent so you and the rest of the misanthropes can tell us how they can’t find WR’s from the college ranks.

That you’re getting upset and making this more about me than the topic is telling. It usually tells me that my opponent is beginning to become aware that he’s getting his teeth kicked in. Once again, why would I not want to see Nixon stick? Do you believe that I don’t root for the team after 15 years here? You also never answered my other question - if Meyers didn’t overtake Harry on the depth chart, who did? Edelman was gone, so it wasn’t him. It wasn’t Byrd. It wasn’t Gunner. So who was it?

 

[Wozzy]

Bill has actually picked 7 receivers in the first 3 rounds since he has been here (surprised they didn't tell you that in your Boston.com days) and all except Branch were busts. Apparently 1 for 7 makes me a misanthrope.

Five WR's I believe, if I'm wrong name them.

NFL Offensive Ranks
YEAR Pts Yds
2019 7 15
2018 4 5
2017 2 1
2016 3 4
2015 3 6
2014 4 11
2013 3 7
2012 1 1
2011 3 2
2010 1 8
2009 6 3
2008 8 5
2007 1 1
2006 7 11
2005 10 7
2004 4 7
2003 12 17
2002 10 21
2001 6 19
2000 25 22

The struggle ^ was real.

 

[Uptown]

Teams that make sense (Not too much pre-snap motion/simplified vertical offense):

-AZ
-BAL
-SEA
-KC
-HOU
-LAC
-CHI
-PIT (system wise only)
-NO (maybe Payton could scheme some things?)
-TB (LOL..)
-SF (scheme-wise)
-LVR
-PHI (they’re used to slow WRs)
-GB (they’ve used much more pre-snap motion since LaFleur arrived, but they lack depth behind Adams…so, why not?)

 

[203Pat]

Five WR's I believe, if I'm wrong name them.

NFL Offensive Ranks
YEAR Pts Yds
2019 7 15
2018 4 5
2017 2 1
2016 3 4
2015 3 6
2014 4 11
2013 3 7
2012 1 1
2011 3 2
2010 1 8
2009 6 3
2008 8 5
2007 1 1
2006 7 11
2005 10 7
2004 4 7
2003 12 17
2002 10 21
2001 6 19
2000 25 22

The struggle ^ was real.

Harry 1
Dobson 2
Taylor Price 3
Brandon Tate 3
Chad Jackson 2
Bethel Johnson 2
Branch 2

The way you so confidently make statements that are incorrect while simultaneously trying to twist the argument in another direction doesn't do anything to dissuade people that you aren't Matt Chatham.

 

[Sicilian]

Five WR's I believe, if I'm wrong name them.

Harry (1st)
Branch (2nd)
Bethel Johnson (2nd)
Chad Jackson (2nd)
Aaron Dobson (2nd)
Brandon Tate (3rd)
Taylor Price (3rd)

 

[Bill Lee]

But again,,,the better ones get it right more than the not so good ones. I mean I am no football guru, but watching Harry in college, he never really ran away from guys, and a lot of his catches were contested that he would win, but in the NFl, you have to win battles to get open. He was not really doing that in college. Now if that I can see that, they should be able to. Again, there is a lot put into drafting, if it was just a crap shoot, then they would not spend all the time they do on it.

It's a lot like every other form of investing, you can spend a lot of time doing your homework and still get it wrong.

There are a lot of unknowns, things you can't measure like determination, or things you can't predict like health.

I've posted this link several times, it's one of the few sources I've found where someone's done the work to try to take in the big picture:

NFL Drafting Efficiency, 2010-2019

Guest columnist Benjamin Ellinger breaks down every draft pick in the past 10 years. Did Cleveland's tanking policy pay off? Which teams had the best results in the draft, and which wasted their picks? And is there anything meaningful in this data, or is there really some skill involved? The...

www.footballoutsiders.com

Overall, when you factor in draft position, NE has been in the top half of drafting over the last five years and the top quarter over the last ten years.

It's not as dreadful as some make it out to be.

Since it doesn't count UDFA and FA it's only one aspect of team building.

So sorry if I offend those who defend the wall, but IMO it's not controversial to suggest that the Pats are pretty good at team building.

 

[Wozzy]

Ironic being that you’re the one who initially replied to me… about a conversation I was having with someone else. The rest of the post might be too funny.



Willfully ignorant is a strange way of tap-dancing around the fact that you’re out of your depth in an X’s and O’s conversation with me.



The quality on the video is fine. The highlights take place after the snap, making it damn near impossible to see alignment. I’m beginning to wonder if you even watched that video before posting it. The All-22 is better. You get multiple angles, pre-snap, post-snap, down, distance, personnel grouping, etc. Byrd was mostly aligned at the X, though he did spend some time at the Y and Z.



They all should be lumped together because it shows how Chatham’s “weaponz” argument was such a brutally bad take that aged like a leftover beer in a Solo cup after a keg party. They gave nearly $80M in guaranteed money to two TEs and two WRs. The team clearly thought that the weapons needed to be upgraded. Chatham did not. The team was right. Chatham was wrong. The take sucked. Most of his takes have little basis in reality because they’re seen through the lens of being a homer, but that one aged terribly.



That you’re getting upset and making this more about me than the topic is telling. It usually tells me that my opponent is beginning to become aware that he’s getting his teeth kicked in. Once again, why would I not want to see Nixon stick? Do you believe that I don’t root for the team after 15 years here? You also never answered my other question - if Meyers didn’t overtake Harry on the depth chart, who did? Edelman was gone, so it wasn’t him. It wasn’t Byrd. It wasn’t Gunner. So who was it?

Willfully ignorant... like looking at video and blaming the moment they roll the tape, as if the you couldn't see where people are or were lined up. Like Chatham is wrong not because the video evidence shows he's wrong, but because he's Matt Chatham and as a negative Nancy you dislike his optimism.

And regardless of where people are lined up my point stands, Agholor was signed to replace Byrd... not Harry. They signed a speed demon to take the top off defenses, which Byrd provided last year, Harry is irrelevant to the conversation because like I said I never mentioned him and was speaking to the players that were here and wanted to be here. They didn't hire Bourne's slow azz to replace Harry or Byrd either, they have to account for Edelman. When they signed Bourne N'Keal Harry was still in their plans and on the roster. Again... Harry Harry Harry... you can't have a conversation about the rest of the guys without obsessing over the one who didn't work out... even if the rest of them are fine.

I'm getting upset... can you see that from my window? Hilarious that you can ascribe emotion to an anonymous poster that's done nothing but school you since day one so you have to explain to everyone how I'm feeling. Harry was hurt for three games... you said Meyers took his snaps those three games because apparently you forgot Cam nearly got him decapitated, now you're pretending like you knew it all along and had another point to make... even though Harry came back and played nearly as much as he had prior to injury. Edelman was gone, that's where the snaps came from genius.

 

[Wozzy]

Harry (1st)
Branch (2nd)
Bethel Johnson (2nd)
Chad Jackson (2nd)
Aaron Dobson (2nd)
Brandon Tate (3rd)
Taylor Price (3rd)

Works out to be a wide receiver every three years or so... and somehow they fielded a team for two decades with 5-6 WR's on every roster and managed to be one of the best passing teams in the NFL. And before you say it, even in 2008 when you know who was injured.

 

[Froob]

We really outta just stop drafting WRs and just stick to vets.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The biggest mystery is how Harry fooled Bill into thinking he had any shred of football intelligence or intelligence in general.

How was nobody worried draft night when he kept hanging up on Bill? Any moron would look at their phone, realize the reception may be bad, get away from the loud environment and figure out why nobody on the other end isn’t answering. Instead, you see him sitting on the couch saying “Hello....hello.....hello” and then hang up. Here’s an amazing concept to consider, call back the number who just called you!

It took him three weeks after he was cleared and eligible to play to get his azz on the field.

Then you see Brady and Cam either laughing at him or getting upset he’s doing the wrong thing on the field.

Flat out didn’t care an undrafted free agent was outperforming him.

Then he recently told someone in an interview he feels no pressure to perform as a first round pick in his 3rd year.

First, his trainer criticizes the team and now his agent/lawyer is asking for a trade.

This guy’s attitude is so bad he makes Chad Jackson and Aaron Dobson look like hard workers.

What is more shocking is that Bill has not traded him yet.

 

[Froob]

The biggest mystery is how Harry fooled Bill into thinking he had any shred of football intelligence or intelligence in general.

How was nobody not worried draft night when he kept hanging up on Bill? Any moron would look at their phone, realize the reception may be bad, get away from the loud environment and figure out why nobody on the other end isn’t answering. Instead, you see him sitting on the couch saying “Hello....hello.....hello” and then hang up. Here’s an amazing concept to consider, call back the number who just called you!

It took him three weeks after he was cleared and eligible to play to get his azz on the field.

Then you see Brady and Cam either laughing at him or getting upset he’s doing the wrong thing on the field.

Flat out didn’t care an undrafted free agent was outperforming him.

Then he recently told someone in an interview he feels no pressure to perform as a first round pick in his 3rd year.

First, his trainer criticizes the team and now his agent/lawyer is asking for a trade.

This guy’s attitude is so bad he makes Chad Jackson and Aaron Dobson look like hard workers.

What is more shocking is that Bill has not treated him yet.

Him showing up out of shape in a make or break year makes me almost certain he'll be out of the league shortly.

 

[Wozzy]

The way you so confidently make statements that are incorrect while simultaneously trying to twist the argument in another direction doesn't do anything to dissuade people that you aren't Matt Chatham.

Now I'm Matt Chatham again, I thought we solved that riddle?

Oh yeah, I was posting on game day threads from my Blackberry flip phone on the sideline and Belichick either didn't notice or care... oh wait, you were in middle school then, so you don't understand the flip phone reference or having to deal with the struggle that was dial up internet.

Go back to sleep junior, if I say "I believe" in a sentence that clearly denotes I'm not "confidently" providing an answer and guessing based of memory... mainly because I don't care enough to look.

 

[Wozzy]

We really outta just stop drafting WRs and just stick to vets.

They almost entirely did, but the same depressed/repressed people want to stay tormented over the few times they didn't... or ignore that they probably had a great reason for signing vets instead of drafting WR's.

One of the highest failure rates of any position in the NFL draft... WR's... but undoubtedly the Negative Nancy's knew this... they know everything in hindsight.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Give Wozzy credit...no creepy posts today about boys going through puberty. I'm glad he's back to being a general moron rather than a disturbed moron.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Give Wozzy credit...no creepy posts today about boys going through puberty. I'm glad he's back to being a general moron rather than a disturbed moron.

Lol. I’ve never seen anything about that.

 

[Wozzy]

Lol. I’ve never seen anything about that.

Because it never happened. Ice tried to explain the history of football, how Brady emerged from college as superman and how the game has evolved since 2000… yet failed to mention he was playing Pokémon and being potty trained at that time. But his dad told him how it was, so we can take his word for it.

 

[Wozzy]

Give Wozzy credit...no creepy posts today about boys going through puberty. I'm glad he's back to being a general moron rather than a disturbed moron.

With you I’m pretty sure puberty didn’t stick…

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

With you I’m pretty sure puberty didn’t stick…

Did you have to notify the national registry when you got this online account, or is it only when you come within 100 feet of schools?