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Time is running out, they are both signed for next year and this year there are 6 more games plus the break.Smith and Agholor are the two most athletic mismatches on offense and Josh hasn’t figured out how to get big plays from either. This remains something of a mystery to me and time is running out.
Smith has a 4 year contract with 31 million guaranteed. He’s going to be here for the next couple years as the Pats can’t just let him walk away. A restructure might be possible.I think Agholor and Smith will be back next year. It would be great to see them more active by now, but I think there is plenty of time as long as they keep getting better game to game (even if that is too slow for some on PatsFans).
I was actually hoping this was the N’Keal Harry plan with all the blocking they’re having him do… setting up for a deep shots out of a heavy run looks…Defenses will completely fall asleep on Jonnu and suddenly hell be posting 100 yd games and multiple TDs.
I think Agholor and Smith will be back next year. It would be great to see them more active by now, but I think there is plenty of time as long as they keep getting better game to game (even if that is too slow for some on PatsFans).
Okay first of all, it's not running out, it's slipping slipping slipping into the future. But seriously sure, it's running out. Only 3 1/2 more years for Jonnu.
As has been noted before, this is a content-free continuation of the just-plain-stupid one-size-fitz-all Josh-hate threads on this board. DUMB!
"Hey! That player plays on offense and isn't very productive!!! Offense! Not Productive!!! Josh McDaniel!"
You've got no other insights other than Smith indeed COULD BE great, alongside a conjecture that is basically "I hate Josh McDaniel." (He "hasn't figured out...." and so on.) Okay you also speculate how Agholar COULD BE great.
Here's an exercise for you, since you've already got the answer for why any given player on offense isn't productive.
Tell me why any given player IS being productive, or any given unit. Here is the list of factors you are allowed to use: Josh McDaniel.
Shouldn't you also be saying that Josh McDaniel, who developed on Tom Brady into the classic pocket passing quarterback with a lightning quick release that we came to love... and add other Brady attributes here, I don't want to make this a Brady thread.... is also doing exactly the same thing in exactly the same style in one Mac Jones?
Why aren't you saying that Josh McDaniel has brilliantly discovered how to make another Pats quarterback shine in the same system?
Granted, it would take a tiny bit more knowledge than "I hate Josh" or "I love Josh," you'd also have to notice that similarity. But at heart it's the same exercise: You ascribe every positive about the Pats' O to Josh McDaniel, just as you ascribe every negative about the Pats' O to Josh McDaniel.
I have LOVED watching Josh McDaniel's use of the offensive line and his use of Stevenson (after brilliantly benching him for fumble, creating a ball-clutching monster,) not to mention how Josh McDaniel continues to use Damien Harris. PS, also tell your friends who say BB can't draft that I've loved watching the products of the last couple of drafts in general.
And OMG, did you hear Josh McDaniel turned Hunter Henry into Gronk?
Isn't that a stupid-looking take, just naming one guy you hate on the coaching staff whenever a performance issue is discussed, when you could make the same commentary to the good so easily?
Why TF do you think that other NFL teams thought he was head coach material once, and the buzz is about the possibility he'll get his own command again soon (in Star Trek & probably navy terms)?
My guess is that both factors Miguel named have played a part. They're probably the lion's share of the scenario and that's why I, likeothers here, noted them up front up to this point. But what else explains Henry and Smith both coming from other teams with similar production, but with HH set for double digit touchdowns and Smith underperforming?
- the "save something for the playoffs" possibility. What if he happens to fall into this batch of plays prominently, and wouldn't be that good at them with the bum shoulder, but will be ready to be deployed in this role in the post season?
- The "not there quite yet" possibility. Again, combined w/the shoulder. Is he taking more time than the built-in comp, Hunter Henry, to "get it" or get on the same page as Mac?
- The "blocking TE for now" possibility - possibly to be rolled back soon. The O-line gave us fits back when we were 2-4 and anybody that could actually get in someone's way for a minute had value. As has been noted, Jonnu has been used that way.
- The "Mac Security blanket" possibility. In every QB/pass-catcher relationship, there's the factor that the QB is trusting that guy to make the play. Both TEs have evident red zone value. Does he -- or Josh -- change the play to force the ball to Jonnu or go with what's worked?
The biggest question mark about your "I Hate Josh" "analysis", is how he can overperform in his use of Hunter Henry exactly as he's underperforming in his use of Jonnu Smith?
It seems there are at least a couple less stupid options than "I hate Josh" to explain the difference.
Yeah that is a variable.
Okay so, as noted, he's on a 4-year deal. There's always the possibility of "this (blocking) is what we need out of you for right now. We know we're using the Lambo in the school zone heah, but we'll get to the track one day soon."
It's possible he hasn't picked it up yet.
It's possible that time heals all wounds and even if it didn't, we've had at least one guy do really well with a chronic shoulder issue on the injury report. (turned out he just had chips on it.)
okay sorry for the core dump, I took a lot of time off recently & the Mrs. isn't in "honey do" mode.
I laugh at the concern over Jonnu's stats.
Still waiting for that dollars/yard chart showing the bargains rather than the other end of the scale.It's only fans who bemoan the $ to yards and catches by individual player thing during a season. The Patriots tend to get what they can from a player in their role on that particular team (as you noted which forms each and every year and starts to define itself around week 8 or so) because the money is already spent - it's a sunk cost, and then they re-evaluate that player's likelihood to continue in the offseason.