Maye must play

[dliverey44]

Bryce Young is an example of what can happen if you start a rookie qb on a bad team too soon

This is very true but I feel like they are handling Maye much differently than Young was handled. I thought that they threw Young into a losing situation. This is not to say Maye is ready.

 

[dliverey44]

How has this year's #1 pick done so far, and he was far more prepared to start in his first year than Drake is.

I disagree with this a lot. Williams held on to the ball a long time last year at USC. He was able to do that because he was more athletic than most defensive players, but that is not happening in the NFL. I feel like it was pretty split between 3 QBs, Caleb JD5 and Maye. I personally felt Maye was most ready as long as he took to NFL coaching.

 

[patfanken]

I disagree with this a lot. Williams held on to the ball a long time last year at USC. He was able to do that because he was more athletic than most defensive players, but that is not happening in the NFL. I feel like it was pretty split between 3 QBs, Caleb JD5 and Maye. I personally felt Maye was most ready as long as he took to NFL coaching.

you are discounting the fact that Williams., Mcdaniels and Nix have been in college for 6 years due to all the transfers they had. That's 2-3 more years of getting to work on your footwork, reading defenses, and throws to gain accuracy. Maye had just 3 years of college, while the others double that experience.

Jiust about every one of the great QB since the turn of the century didn[t start right out of the gate, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc all spent at least one year watching and learning the NFL game. Thats not to say that those rookies' starters won't eventually be good QB's, BUT you can see that thus far, all 3 are struggling with areas of the NFL's defenses. PLUS you have the cautionary tale of Bryce Young's fall from grace. QB is the toughest position in professional team sports to develop since it is so much more than just having the athletic gifts.

 

[TommyD4207]

On a Positive note our New LT C Wallace is not injured.

Yes. Thank goodness we have more guards we can play at tackle.

 

[moosekill]

you are discounting the fact that Williams., Mcdaniels and Nix have been in college for 6 years due to all the transfers they had. That's 2-3 more years of getting to work on your footwork, reading defenses, and throws to gain accuracy. Maye had just 3 years of college, while the others double that experience.

Jiust about every one of the great QB since the turn of the century didn[t start right out of the gate, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc all spent at least one year watching and learning the NFL game. Thats not to say that those rookies' starters won't eventually be good QB's, BUT you can see that thus far, all 3 are struggling with areas of the NFL's defenses. PLUS you have the cautionary tale of Bryce Young's fall from grace. QB is the toughest position in professional team sports to develop since it is so much more than just having the athletic gifts.

Manning?? Come on be a better poster. Brady didn’t start because he was out of shape and wasn’t better than Bledsoe.

There is nothing that shows sitting on the bench a year makes you better.

 

[Steamer86]

you are discounting the fact that Williams., Mcdaniels and Nix have been in college for 6 years due to all the transfers they had. That's 2-3 more years of getting to work on your footwork, reading defenses, and throws to gain accuracy. Maye had just 3 years of college, while the others double that experience.

Jiust about every one of the great QB since the turn of the century didn[t start right out of the gate, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc all spent at least one year watching and learning the NFL game. Thats not to say that those rookies' starters won't eventually be good QB's, BUT you can see that thus far, all 3 are struggling with areas of the NFL's defenses. PLUS you have the cautionary tale of Bryce Young's fall from grace. QB is the toughest position in professional team sports to develop since it is so much more than just having the athletic gifts.

Williams was only in college for 3 years, same as Maye.

 

[Ring 6]

Bryce Young is an example of what can happen if you start a rookie qb on a bad team too soon

Bryce young is an example of what happens when a qb sucks.

Bryce Young has nothing to do with Drake Maye.

Ironically Carolina was right to play him immediately because they found out and can move on. If they slow walked him it would be maybe 2 more years before they figured it out.

It’s as important to find out if the qb isn’t the guy as it is to find out if he is, because sitting him out the first year, then considering him inexperienced the second year means you’ve set yourself back year 4 if he isn’t the guy

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

you are discounting the fact that Williams., Mcdaniels and Nix have been in college for 6 years due to all the transfers they had. That's 2-3 more years of getting to work on your footwork, reading defenses, and throws to gain accuracy. Maye had just 3 years of college, while the others double that experience.

Jiust about every one of the great QB since the turn of the century didn[t start right out of the gate, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc all spent at least one year watching and learning the NFL game. Thats not to say that those rookies' starters won't eventually be good QB's, BUT you can see that thus far, all 3 are struggling with areas of the NFL's defenses. PLUS you have the cautionary tale of Bryce Young's fall from grace. QB is the toughest position in professional team sports to develop since it is so much more than just having the athletic gifts.

 

[Ring 6]

you are discounting the fact that Williams., Mcdaniels and Nix have been in college for 6 years due to all the transfers they had. That's 2-3 more years of getting to work on your footwork, reading defenses, and throws to gain accuracy. Maye had just 3 years of college, while the others double that experience.

Jiust about every one of the great QB since the turn of the century didn[t start right out of the gate, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc all spent at least one year watching and learning the NFL game. Thats not to say that those rookies' starters won't eventually be good QB's, BUT you can see that thus far, all 3 are struggling with areas of the NFL's defenses. PLUS you have the cautionary tale of Bryce Young's fall from grace. QB is the toughest position in professional team sports to develop since it is so much more than just having the athletic gifts.

This is not right. You don’t sit out years when you transfer any more. Nix and Daniels had 5 years because one was the shortened COVID season, not 6. Williams was only in college 3 years, the same as Maye.

Brady, Mahomes and Rodgers are great AND sat early, they aren’t great BECAUSE they early. And they say because there was a goid, established QB ahead of them.

I think this is where people get mixed up. If Tom Brady had played on 2000 he wouldn’t have played as well as he did in 2001. But if he had played in 2000 he would have been better in 2001 than he was by not playing in 2000.
Experience matters. Live game reps are by far the best tool to develop as a player.
If you think the 2024 Patriots can’t afford to suffer Mayes growing pains then he should be on the bench. But I think we built a roster that isn’t winning with or without growing pains, and I think it’s near impossible for them to out a worse roster on the field in 2025. I don’t want that roster held back by the growing pains

 

[moosekill]

This is not right. You don’t sit out years when you transfer any more. Nix and Daniels had 5 years because one was the shortened COVID season, not 6. Williams was only in college 3 years, the same as Maye.

Brady, Mahomes and Rodgers are great AND sat early, they aren’t great BECAUSE they early. And they say because there was a goid, established QB ahead of them.

I think this is where people get mixed up. If Tom Brady had played on 2000 he wouldn’t have played as well as he did in 2001. But if he had played in 2000 he would have been better in 2001 than he was by not playing in 2000.
Experience matters. Live game reps are by far the best tool to develop as a player.
If you think the 2024 Patriots can’t afford to suffer Mayes growing pains then he should be on the bench. But I think we built a roster that isn’t winning with or without growing pains, and I think it’s near impossible for them to out a worse roster on the field in 2025. I don’t want that roster held back by the growing pains

I completey agree with this. Brady sat out a year. Mac Jones didn't. Brady played baseball and Mac Jones played tennis. Brady is from California and Jones is from Florida. Brady went to Michigan and Jones went to Alabama. None of these things can be pointed at to determine whether any individual player will become the GOAT or not. To somehow state that anyone of these items correlates to a player becoming an amazing qb is foolishness.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes. Thank goodness we have more guards we can play at tackle.

I have been really positive on wolf.. that's the one area I critique him on the tackle position was just an obvious miss.. we were counting on guys like Anderson, Okorafor and lowe and Wheatley Jr.

 

[Real fan 02]

IMO November is a good time to put in Maye if Jacoby continues to play the same or gets injured.

I think the time frame may be accelerated. As tough as JB has been.. he either:

A) gets hurt to where he can't finish the game.

B) has a few more 120 passing games where the pass game continues to be a non factor.

C) gets benched for performance .


All 3 of those secnaro are on the table wich would have Drake in there as he is the back up. The positive I see is the team knows drakes ready or he wouldn't be the number 2. Zapp would have been kept around and Milton would be on the PS if he weren't ready yet.

 

[The Gr8est]

Bryce Young is an example of what can happen if you start a rookie qb on a bad team too soon

Or draft him too high.

 

[Real fan 02]

Or draft him too high.

Terrible owner, coach in over his head.. outside of leggette a bottom roster.... all equals disaster.

 

[The Gr8est]

Oh not ideal at all pape.. I was just summizing.. as much as want him to play.. I can continue to wait.. this O line has gone from bad to worse.. how many 120 yards passing games will we see?

The way the injuries are going, we may long for the days of Brissett getting us 120 yards.

 

[Real fan 02]

The way the injuries are going, we may long for the days of Brissett getting us 120 yards.

Your have a point... we are a team with literally 0 margins for errors. It's compounded by incompetent line play.

 

[Zuma]

I think the time frame may be accelerated. As tough as JB has been.. he either:

A) gets hurt to where he can't finish the game.

B) has a few more 120 passing games where the pass game continues to be a non factor.

C) gets benched for performance .


All 3 of those secnaro are on the table wich would have Drake in there as he is the back up. The positive I see is the team knows drakes ready or he wouldn't be the number 2. Zapp would have been kept around and Milton would be on the PS if he weren't ready yet.

We expected Maye to sit most or all of the season. Does he start sooner because the team is playing better than we thought it would? No

 

[The Gr8est]

Maybe teams will take care not to injure Jacoby.

I bet it is the back of teams’ minds that they don’t want to be the ones to force Maye into the game.

He may not light it up, but they have to fear he could be the difference to them winning or losing.

 

[Real fan 02]

We expected Maye to sit most or all of the season. Does he start sooner because the team is playing better than we thought it would? No

Absolutely positively agree. While JB has kept the ship steady... the ground game has kept us in games. Drake gives us the ability to balance out things. From what Taylor Keyes mentioned is that Drake looks like he's been in the system 3 years from practice reports.

 

[moosekill]

We expected Maye to sit most or all of the season. Does he start sooner because the team is playing better than we thought it would? No

Who is we? New coach, good defense. Competitve last year, if not for incompetent qb play and fg kicker would have been knocking on the playoff door. SItting the better qb is complete idiocy. So I figured by game 5 he would be in. Still pretty confident.