Maye must play

[Real fan 02]

Also Bourne should be back after the 49ers Game one more capable WR in the fold. There is no way a QB who have Bourne - Pop Douglas - Thornton and Polk should be logging 125yds a game that would be on the QB.

Yes absolutely.. so I see KJ as a spot player when KB comes back.. I mean the WR have every right to be frustrated.. 120 yards passing isn't even the NFL average.

 

[Real fan 02]

It's been two games.

The professionals who get paid to make football decisions said they think it's better for this rookie QB to sit for a period of time. That could be all season. It could be four games. But their jobs are dependent on getting this right. If Wolf is wrong and Maye doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB, he's likely to NEVER get a shot at being a GM again. If Maye doesn't help win games, Mayo is going to be out there looking for defensive coordinator jobs and maybe have to settle for a positional coach job. There's a lot riding on this turning out right.

Maye is going to be in there soon enough.

You have a point. But then again Lombardi has had multiple GM jobs in the NFL and failed at all of them. Wolf and Mayo are in this together for the long run. I believe they have done a great job with drake.. Taylor Keyes made mention of Drake looks like a seasoned vet in practice in the offense.

I just really don't know when it will well. The O line makes this decision so tricky.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think it's probably a balance though, right? I'm sure they want to wait until things are perfect with him if they can help it, but they also have to consider other dynamics too. If they wait so long that team morale/culture ends up suffering, that's not really the best position to insert him into either.

I think so. We see it all the time in the NFL when they say they want to have the rookie QB sit and then the vet QB they have is terrible and they put the rookie in early. I think they're trying to avoid that. A win over Cincy and overtime against the Seahawks suggest they're competitive. I'm not sure it's really bad enough yet that they're feeling the pressure to start him before they want to. Will it come to that? Probably, especially if we lose badly to the Jets.

I wish they were clearer about how long they think Maye should sit. If they said 4 games, I don't think people would be so anxious about it. If they said all season, I think they'd have a revolt. But it's one of those things where they need the team to buy into doing it their way.

 

[Ross12]

I think so. We see it all the time in the NFL when they say they want to have the rookie QB sit and then the vet QB they have is terrible and they put the rookie in early. I think they're trying to avoid that. A win over Cincy and overtime against the Seahawks suggest they're competitive. I'm not sure it's really bad enough yet that they're feeling the pressure to start him before they want to. Will it come to that? Probably, especially if we lose badly to the Jets.

I wish they were clearer about how long they think Maye should sit. If they said 4 games, I don't think people would be so anxious about it. If they said all season, I think they'd have a revolt. But it's one of those things where they need the team to buy into doing it their way.

I think they're not clear about it because they don't want defenses to know either. Why let your opponents in a few weeks know that they should be planning for Drake Maye and not Jacoby Brissett? They also kind of put Jacoby in a bad spot if they put a definitive date out there in advance because then he is a lame duck.

I agree with you, though - they're not at that "point of no return" yet, but a bad loss to the Jets tonight might push them into using the mini-bye before the Niners game to get Drake ready. However, a good showing could alternatively buy them more time and let them push things out an additional week to get back home for the Miami game. If they did want to wait longer, the next most sensible time is probably week 8, but five more games with Brissett feels untenable right now.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think they're not clear about it because they don't want defenses to know either. Why let your opponents in a few weeks know that they should be planning for Drake Maye and not Jacoby Brissett? They also kind of put Jacoby in a bad spot if they put a definitive date out there in advance because then he is a lame duck.

I agree with you, though - they're not at that "point of no return" yet, but a bad loss to the Jets tonight might push them into using the mini-bye before the Niners game to get Drake ready. However, a good showing could alternatively buy them more time and let them push things out an additional week to get back home for the Miami game. If they did want to wait longer, the next most sensible time is probably week 8, but five more games with Brissett feels untenable right now.

Yeah. Though I have to assume they knew what they were getting with Brissett and must be okay with it, right? Brissett is a career backup who has shown he's not really capable of being your long term starter and doesn't throw a lot of yards. You don't sign that guy as your QB and then be surprised that he is what he is. That'd be like signing a malcontent offensive tackle from the Steelers and penciling him in as your starting LT.

I don't want them to, but I suspect they'd like to do like with Mahomes where he played one game his rookie year. Barring that, maybe halfway through the season or at least 4 games seem reasonable alternatives. That's if the injuries to the line don't lead to Brissett being taken out on a stretcher. But we really have no idea how they're feeling about starting Maye at this point, which is really frustrating.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I'd assume under no circumstances, sans Brissett injury, they would insert him in SF. That's just the worst possible opponent for him.

In 2025, do you think Brissett will be Maye's backup. Milton maybe?

 

[n1997y]

Sometimes guys figure it out later Sam Darnold might become of those guys.

Plus it’s easier to figure things out when you’re not trying to survive playing in the middle of a dumpster fire.

 

[Real fan 02]

Sometimes guys figure it out later Sam Darnold might become of those guys.

Donald was on a few teams with some play makers on the outside. I think he's keep the seat warm for the starter McCarty when he comes back healthy.

 

[Ross12]

That'd be like signing a malcontent offensive tackle from the Steelers and penciling him in as your starting LT.

yeahhhh... about that one....

Honestly I have to wonder if they expected Brissett to be a little better than he has been. In his previous stints in this offense he was better.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Honestly I have to wonder if they expected Brissett to be a little better than he has been. In his previous stints in this offense he was better.

Yeah, though he looked decent in the first half of the Seahawks game. We might think he's worse than the coaches do.

Also, if I was a GM and trying to find a QB to play all year, it wouldn't be Brissett. But if I was looking for someone to play some portion of the year and be a good mentor for a rookie I want to see takeover sometime this season, then he makes perfect sense.

I'm kind of sure my trust is misplaced, but I trust the coaches to have a good plan for when it's Maye Day.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I'd assume under no circumstances, sans Brissett injury, they would insert him in SF. That's just the worst possible opponent for him.

In 2025, do you think Brissett will be Maye's backup. Milton maybe?

I like Brissett as a backup. I kind of hope they keep him, like Damon Huard, to help show Maye how to be a pro.

 

[raduray]

I just saw on PTI that none of the rookie QB's has thrown a touchdown so far this season.

 

[Ross12]

Yeah, though he looked decent in the first half of the Seahawks game. We might think he's worse than the coaches do.

Also, if I was a GM and trying to find a QB to play all year, it wouldn't be Brissett. But if I was looking for someone to play some portion of the year and be a good mentor for a rookie I want to see takeover sometime this season, then he makes perfect sense.

I'm kind of sure my trust is misplaced, but I trust the coaches to have a good plan for when it's Maye Day.

Yeah I agree. If I was looking for a guy to start all year while Maye sits, I would never sign Brissett. But if I was looking for a guy to just start a few games while Maye gets settled in the background, and who is really good in the locker room and open to being that mentor figure, then he's a great choice. I guess we'll see - I still think week 5 is when the switch happens, but week 8 is also sensible - that just feels like a really long time right now.

 

[Ross12]

I'd assume under no circumstances, sans Brissett injury, they would insert him in SF. That's just the worst possible opponent for him.

In 2025, do you think Brissett will be Maye's backup. Milton maybe?

Brissett is a good vet backup from a mentorship standpoint but I have to imagine they'd PREFER to have Milton be the backup from both a cost and developmental standpoint. Though, Milton may not be ready to be #2 by week 1 next year. Another year of Brisket might make sense.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

It's not like we are heading for the playoffs this year - in fact a couple more losses will only help our draft position next year. With one notable exception (Stroud) we've seen only bad things happen with rookie QBs dumped too soon into the hellfire of an NFL game. If we had a solid OL, then maybe I'd feel better about putting him in earlier. But right now, for as long as Jacoby can survive injury, he's my guy.

 

[KCSVEN]

I just saw on PTI that none of the rookie QB's has thrown a touchdown so far this season.

The other rookie QB's, to paraphrase, kind of sucked as prospects, other than Williams who was Meh.
Maye is most comparable to Herbert as a prospect, what any other rookie QB doesn't really relate to Maye.

My biggest concern with starting Maye is he's going to win you some games. But he can't win you the Super Bowl with this team this year. I believe he is great, not good, great. I'd like to watch it, but him playing is a detriment of the draft pick, how many games do I want to see him? It's a quandary for me. He should play 8 minimum for maximum development heading into next year, though 4 is probably enough for a guy like him. I can't see them waiting that long.

The Patriots brass is going to get all this credit when he outplays the other rookies this year when he plays. But, based on what I saw in college, that would be the case if Maye played day 1.

I am totally convinced they'd be 2-0 right now if Maye started over Jacoby, would that be a good thing for a rebuild year?

 

[raduray]

The other rookie QB's, to paraphrase, kind of sucked as prospects, other than Williams who was Meh.
Maye is most comparable to Herbert as a prospect, what any other rookie QB doesn't really relate to Maye.

Do you think we should/would have passed on Williams if we had picked first in the draft?

 

[ViperGTS]

Do you think we should/would have passed on Williams if we had picked first in the draft?

I would have in the end. I started liking what I saw out out of Daniels and Maye more. Then I looked at Daniels' frame and that scared me off. Maye was the ticket all along. I was in on Williams when the Pats were sucking in September/October..but came off of him pretty quickly.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I would have in the end. I started liking what I saw out out of Daniels and Maye more. Then I looked at Daniels' frame and that scared me off. Maye was the ticket all along. I was in on Williams when the Pats were sucking in September/October..but came off of him pretty quickly.

Williams would benefit greatly from Eberflus getting canned after the year and then hiring one of the up and coming OCs (Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik or Klint Kubiak).

 

[KCSVEN]

Do you think we should/would have passed on Williams if we had picked first in the draft?

I think they would have taken Williams from what I read. 90% had WIlliams as #1, many had him as a generational prospect, I didn't see that at all, not that it's impossible but just on an odds basis based on history.

I wanted to trade 3 1st round picks if Washington or Bears were thinking Maye, HE, IMHO is the generational prospect so they should have taken him over Williams, but they would not have done that is my guess.

I believe Williams has a 50% chance of being Trevor Lawrence level good, A middle of the road solid but not great franchise QB, 25% chance to bust, 20% slightly better than Lawrence and like a 5% chance of being a top 5 QB. I would have taken him, Maye or McCarthy because they all showed SOME traits that equate to at least a top 15 or so NFL starter.
If you look at all the bad QB's starting, and you realize you can't wait for a Drake Maye , Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert to come along, you have to take a guy that might just be good, not great or else you end up with a bad QB and have no chance.

I think NFL teams seem to put emphasis on certain traits that are not the ones that equate to NFL success, to a point. Those traits are great to get you to narrow the field down and most NFL starters are first round picks so they get that part right. But then they seem to overweight the wrong traits to understand which QB's are true first round picks and which are low odds and not really worthy of a first.

They are all human and can overcome the odds and nothing is 100% certain, but to me, a first-round pick, you should heavily go by odds of success.