Maye must play

[Froob]

There is ZERO evidence they got that benefit because they sat. The evidence has proven otherwise when doing detailed Statistical analysis of success of sitters vs non-sitters. They sat because the guy playing in front of them was very good and experience matters when you are trying to actually win games and not rebuilding. Not ONE of those teams were rebuilding and had time to lose a few games while the rookie QB figured it out. Has nothing to do with a situation on a rebuilding team where WE KNOW STATISTICALLY the QB should play, it cannot be argued against: the odds favor playing vs not, it's just a statistical FACT

Jordan Love IMO, proved that he improved much more when he finally got to play.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Let him go out there and learn from his mistakes. It worked for Bledsoe and even Manning. Throw some TDs, throw some picks, start recognizing coverages and assignments, learn how the game is played. Expectations should be low for the overall record but as long as he’s doing good things, making exciting plays. I’ll keep cheering regardless of the outcome. He has the gifts, let’s put them on display.

While I agree, the David Carr/Andrew Luck type situations are the only concern.

 

[The Gr8est]

I know Brissett is going to start the season but I would like Maye to play the first half next week and Milton the second half. If I’m the coaching staff I would want to see him run with the starters in live game action.

Will Brissett really improve if he plays next week? He’s been with the starters all summer and looks awful.

Here is a thought.

We have been debating whether the Pats should keep four QBs and would they cut Zappe.

Would Brissett be a cut candidate instead of Zappe?

Not sure that would be the right move in terms of leadership to mentor Maye, but is Zappe worse than Brissett?

 

[KCSVEN]

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree to a point. This game makes the team think, like you say, because:

1. Maye's performance was very encouraging. He has athleticism we have not seen in a LONG while. He does go through progresssions (he really does and it is not forced). Maye has a NFL QB's brain and athleticism.

2. Maye looks really raw. As Zo noted Maye shuffled in the pocket well in one of the early series, but as he played more he reverted to his 'duck and run' approach from his college days. Maye is trying but the improved footwork and mechanic training is not natural for him yet. And Maye looks like a young kid at 21 that needs to be in the weight room for a couple of years.

3. Recognizing 2 above, I would have no problem sitting Maye, but when you compare him to Brissett, Maye looks like ************ Superstar. Brissett is a lot worse than I remember. Brissett is abysmal. What were the Pats thinking signing Brissett? Holy Moly. If you are Mayo and Wolf how can you put Brissett on the field and say you are putting a product on the field people will watch? Mayo and Wolf will be ridiculed if they start Brissett.

Great post reply!! I concur with everything you've said. Brissett is a fine back up. But your right he's not a starter.. a starter for a few games during the season but not an NFL starting QB for sure. Maye looks the part.. and has this aura of confidence About him that I love. Maye's game reminds me of Justin Herbert.. I believe this is where the turning point may be for wolf and Mayo.. if they are being honest they would say maye is the better QB and best option to win. I totally understand about sitting him... but as I've said there ALL PRO for him to sit and learn from. I think Brissett is capable to make plays.. but I believe maye needs to be given heavy consideration towards at least practicing with the 1st team offense and taking the snap from Andrews and not a guy who's going to be working at 5 guys in 2 weeks.

 

[Real fan 02]

Zo mentioned when Drake was in AVP was calling plays he did in college....

 

[Ring 6]

Oh, nothing, you know you're right. Let's play him Game 1, no worries. Let's ****ing go! He's got arm strength and quickness and can learn to just run for his life. What's the worst that could happen, ahhhh, nothing, right? He's gotta be just as tough as (If I Only Had A Brain) Eli Manning and that guy survived. What was I thinking?

Why are you so afraid of life?
At whatever point you play him he still has to learn. Delaying it doesn’t change that.
How do you expect him to learn to better deal with a pass rush in live action if you don’t let him get live action?
If he is injured and can’t play his that any different than not playing by coaching choice?

 

[PWRxWLF]

Zo mentioned when Drake was in AVP was calling plays he did in college....

Why the hell would he do that? Are we talking a few to add some wrinkles or was Zo insinuating that its because Maye isn’t picking up the Pats offense?

 

[JMC00]

If the coaching staff thinks he's better than Brissett than you play him. The David Carr stuff i've read is just eye rolling. David Carr took the sacks he did mainly because he held onto the ball. Justin Herbert is a much better example. They didn't intend to start him early but an injury happened and it ended up being the best decision and Herbert had a terrible OL. Think I remember reading that OL had like 10 different combinations in 14 games. Ya he had better WRs but it's not like Bourne and Douglas are **** WRs and you let him get a rapport with Polk and Baker and then you take your franchise LT next year in the 1st round and maybe you are ready to be a playoff contender in 2025 instead of wasting a year on Brissett while Maye gets backup reps

 

[Stu Pidassle]

You obviously have an agenda. Not worth having a discussion with a closed mind.

Even though it turned out badly, drafting Mac was the right thing at the time. Outside the top of the draft picks all QBs have question marks. He beat out the incumbent starter and looked ok to start. He just never got better and underlying leadership issues came together to establish that his predicted low ceiling was NFL backup, not competent starter.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Play the better QB. Right now it certainly looks like maye. I honestly don’t think that sitting vs starting year 1 will have a big difference one way or another over the long run. Plenty qbs have succeeded and failed on both routes so to me theres no strong evidence pointing to either approach being better for Drake’s development. But if brissett still looks like total ass come week 1 and maye is still as clean as he was last night with the offense responding to him the way they did in q2, youre sending a terrible message to the team to stick Jacoby in there . IMO.

 

[Sect140]

Here is a thought.

We have been debating whether the Pats should keep four QBs and would they cut Zappe.

Would Brissett be a cut candidate instead of Zappe?

Not sure that would be the right move in terms of leadership to mentor Maye, but is Zappe worse than Brissett?

Ha that thought crossed my mind today.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ha that thought crossed my mind today.

No. He got $6.5m guaranteed. He isn't going anywhere.

Worst case is he carries a clipboard and because he knows the offense mentors Maye this year.

 

[Ring 6]

While I agree, the David Carr/Andrew Luck type situations are the only concern.

Care was a toad, it didn’t matter whether he played or sat.
Luck was great, but if you refuse to ever have a decent OL you will have qb injury problems. Lucks issues had nothing to do with starting week 1.

 

[Clonamery]

Why are you so afraid of life?
At whatever point you play him he still has to learn. Delaying it doesn’t change that.
How do you expect him to learn to better deal with a pass rush in live action if you don’t let him get live action?
If he is injured and can’t play his that any different than not playing by coaching choice?

If they decide to play him, it's their decision. The O-line is **** so any QB is going to be at risk. If you don't know the difference between not playing due to injury and coach's decision, I don't wtf you're doing here.

 

[Clonamery]

Whatever happened to this guy anyway? He was great his rookie year.

 

[Ring 6]

If they decide to play him, it's their decision. The O-line is **** so any QB is going to be at risk. If you don't know the difference between not playing due to injury and coach's decision, I don't wtf you're doing here.

What difference? Either way you aren’t playing and gaining experience.

I’m concerned about the development of the Qb.

I am 100% in favor of him playing and gaining experience to get better despite the fact that football players can get injured.
We didn’t do anything to fix the OL, so what do you want to do trade him to a team with a good OL?

Adversity makes players better.

 

[Toofy]

I agree to a point. This game makes the team think, like you say, because:

1. Maye's performance was very encouraging. He has athleticism we have not seen in a LONG while. He does go through progresssions (he really does and it is not forced). Maye has a NFL QB's brain and athleticism.

2. Maye looks really raw. As Zo noted Maye shuffled in the pocket well in one of the early series, but as he played more he reverted to his 'duck and run' approach from his college days. Maye is trying but the improved footwork and mechanic training is not natural for him yet. And Maye looks like a young kid at 21 that needs to be in the weight room for a couple of years.

3. Recognizing 2 above, I would have no problem sitting Maye, but when you compare him to Brissett, Maye looks like ************ Superstar. Brissett is a lot worse than I remember. Brissett is abysmal. What were the Pats thinking signing Brissett? Holy Moly. If you are Mayo and Wolf how can you put Brissett on the field and say you are putting a product on the field people will watch? Mayo and Wolf will be ridiculed if they start Brissett.

I think we might not have any option other than to have zappe on the 53 now and check for trade suitors for brissett. But 8 million for this level of play is insane overpay.
Brissett is probably on his last NFL team this year. Unless he takes vet minimum going forward . He has been super lucky to have earned over 50 million $.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think the biggest argument for him to sit is the mechanics changes. In live game action, there's a good chance he resorts to what's natural. You can practice proper footwork and throwing mechanics all day but if you go back to old habits in game then the muscle memory is going to get stunted.

As far as learning defense, handling pass rush, speed of the game, etc. he's going to learn about all of that playing in games. Those aren't reasons to sit him IMO.

 

[Sciz]

Whatever happened to this guy anyway? He was great his rookie year.

The simple interpretation of the situation is that the Redskins ruined him by having him play on a sprained LCL, which led to completely tearing the ACL and previously damaged LCL.

I do think there’s a little more to it than that, as the same ACL was already torn and reconstructed in college and his NFL career also included three (documented) concussions, a dislocated ankle, and a broken shoulder. The Redskins’ negligence in the 2012 playoffs may have just sped up the inevitable.