Mariota more than likely to be released per source.

[venecol]

This can't be true, is it?

Spotrac shows 57 signed players (a lot of jags).

 

[venecol]

I think you’re getting a little too riled up over this. I’m not seeing it as a love fest for Mariota as I’m seeing it as a love fest for what many believe to be the shiniest turd of all the turds possibly available.

Without a doubt.

 

[captain stone]

Would love to trade up for lance. Hopefully bill has something up his sleeve.

I wouldn't...Way, WAY too risky...If he's there at #15 then maybe...

 

[imahobgoblin]

This can't be true, is it?

It was a few weeks ago. It has changed since then. Marcus Martin signed and so did Michael Pinckney. So its more like 30 and 25 now. So let's review a Jimmy G trade as an example. He will hit our cap at $25 million bringing us to about $38 million. $9 million is left for rookies (six maybe?). $29 million left. We need to leave some in-season space under the cap for signings ($3 million?). $26 million left. We need Andrews back (4 years $25-30 million?), Thuney will be too costly. That's about 38 players under contract. We need about 17 more and will have maybe $20 million to spend on them? This is why Mariota for even 1/2 the cost of Jimmy G makes a lot more sense. Maybe he will be cheaper? We can obviously shed some contracts (trade Gilly) and restructure HT. We need to make a decision on JC Jackson. If someone makes him an offer, we cannot match it. But most people really don't get the problem we are looking at with available cap $$$ and the number of players we need. I didn't even account for needing a WR or TE. Granted there are many jags on the list, but they are bodies that are needed.

1. Cam Newton
2. Brian Hoyer
3. James White
4. Rex Burkhead
5. Damiere Byrd
6. Donte Moncrief
7. David Andrews
8. Joe Thuney
9. Jermaine Eluemunor
10. James Ferentz
11. John Simon
12. Deatrich Wise
13. Shilique Calhoun
14. Brandon Copeland
15. Carl Davis
16. Lawrence Guy
17. Adam Butler
18. J.C. Jackson (RFA)
19. Jason McCourty
20. Justin Bethel
21. Terrence Brooks
22. Cody Davis
23. Nick Folk
24. Jakob Johnson (ERFA)
25. Dee Virgin

 

[Deus Irae]

I wouldn't...Way, WAY too risky...If he's there at #15 then maybe...

If you're sold on a QB, no price is too high. If you're not sold on a QB, you don't draft him anywhere in the first round.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Without a doubt.

Ya it will change frequently from here on out with plenty or FA, rookie, jag signings. We need to bring 90 into camp, but the actual number of guys who were on the active roster last year and not a FA is scary low.

 

[Sciz]

This can't be true, is it?

No, not even close. The Patriots have 62 players under contract for 2021 right now.

 

[venecol]

No, not even close. The Patriots have 62 players under contract for 2021 right now.

I think sliplady meant # of unsigned free agents.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I expect the NEP have a $ in mind for him. They may extend themselves a little but I don't see them getting into a bidding war for him.

They'll just move on to Plan B, Plan C and Plan D.

I agree, they will make a reasonable offer but they won’t get into a bidding war.

 

[Huckleberry1]

What makes me think it will be a minor trade is that I would only trade up if he is available outside the first 10 picks. If someone picks him before then so be it. I set my max price before I go into the draft and if I can't have him for that but have to overpay then I simply move on and go with BPA and strengthen my front 7. That's what the bridge QB is for in the first place.

As everything it is all about value.

I agree with this, they aren’t throwing three high picks to go after Lance, they would rather stay put, take Jones at #15, and use their picks to build for the future. While I like the athleticism Lance offers his lack of competition and playing time makes him a risky bet, not one worth 2 1st’s and a 2nd.

 

[yukon cornelius]

mariota also had 4 OCs in 5 years in tennessee.......no one succeeds like that, especially a young QB

he's not THE answer, i don't think, but he can be part of the answer, at least in the short term

 

[luuked]

Some of the comments in this thread just show the entitlement and derangement of a certain segment of Patriots fans.

What kind of QBs do you exactly expect to be available in FA ?

Everyone will have some kind of warts that made them available in the first place. JimmyG (who most likely is not even available) has the durability of melted cheese with less than 15 total games in 3 out of 4 seasons he was with the 49ers. Mariota -- who has durability Jimmy can only dream about -- was beaten out by Tannehill. Trubisky is a running mental meltdown. Newton has not produced anything consistently good since 2018 before his shoulder got wrecked.

And. so. on. There is no savior out there. There won't be some miracle trade for Watson, Wilson or whoever.

You can just try to min/max the best fit for the offense you are building through FA/Draft and hope the player which eventually walks through those doors plays to internal projections.

Be more real.

 

[Ross12]

I don't expect Mariota would be a gamebreaker or a top-10 QB or something. I expect he would be at least a competent game manager with the athleticism to make a play here and there. I think that McDaniels would create some good game plans that put Mariota in a position to succeed. Personally would like to flip a 6th for Mariota before free agency, sign a couple impact players in free agency, and then trade up slightly to draft Lance and red-shirt him 1 to 2 years behind Mariota. Maybe also draft a guy like Mills or Mond in later rounds too, just because the cupboard is pretty bare.

 

[RIpats88]

Can still had a 65.8% completion percentage last year. Plus he was throwing to the worse set of skill position in the league.

The same ****bag of players that made people think Brady hit the cliff in 2019.

I would like to see what Cam could do with a full off-season program with some capable weapons to throw to.

Unless they get Jimmy G or Matt Ryan, I want to see Cam back under center.

I need to see some analysis of how cams shoulder and velocity with the ball is. No doubt he had a bad set of skill players.

But to me, his mechanics looked better early in the season and by the end of the season looked like he was winding up to throw a javelin and was favoring his right foot.

 

[RIpats88]

I don't expect Mariota would be a gamebreaker or a top-10 QB or something. I expect he would be at least a competent game manager with the athleticism to make a play here and there. I think that McDaniels would create some good game plans that put Mariota in a position to succeed. Personally would like to flip a 6th for Mariota before free agency, sign a couple impact players in free agency, and then trade up slightly to draft Lance and red-shirt him 1 to 2 years behind Mariota. Maybe also draft a guy like Mills or Mond in later rounds too, just because the cupboard is pretty bare.

Pretty much this. Hes also young enough where if you want to ride with him 2-3 years before playing the rookie that's fine.

 

[imahobgoblin]

I think sliplady meant # of unsigned free agents.

I did not word it well. That number is down to 25. When I did the research for my comment, the context was active players from last year's roster on game day. We are allowed 55 total (Covid) with 48 actives. I failed to include all the rinky-dink little signings that have been happening to build the new roster to 90. Just because we have 57 or 62 warm bodies does not mean we have a roster. We need to add about 20+ starters at this point. People don't realize that. I don't count Bill Banjo the prospect from Screw U. who is camp fodder. I used the active roster for the January 3 vs the Jets who are not FA. It was 28 guys returning. Those who were inactive or on the PS are jags and expendable.

 

[venecol]

I did not word it well. That number is down to 25. When I did the research for my comment, the context was active players from last year's roster on game day. We are allowed 55 total (Covid) with 48 actives. I failed to include all the rinky-dink little signings that have been happening to build the new roster to 90. Just because we have 57 or 62 warm bodies does not mean we have a roster. We need to add about 20+ starters at this point. People don't realize that. I don't count Bill Banjo the prospect from Screw U. who is camp fodder. I used the active roster for the January 3 vs the Jets who are not FA. It was 28 guys returning. Those who were inactive or on the PS are jags and expendable.

Absolutely, a lot of holes to plug. It'll help If and when most of the opt outs come back.

 

[Ring 6]

Triumph, could be time for you to look for another team? What do you think?

Are you kidding? He’s been rooting for the team to suck for years.

 

[luuked]

I don't expect Mariota would be a gamebreaker or a top-10 QB or something. I expect he would be at least a competent game manager with the athleticism to make a play here and there. I think that McDaniels would create some good game plans that put Mariota in a position to succeed. Personally would like to flip a 6th for Mariota before free agency, sign a couple impact players in free agency, and then trade up slightly to draft Lance and red-shirt him 1 to 2 years behind Mariota. Maybe also draft a guy like Mills or Mond in later rounds too, just because the cupboard is pretty bare.

I agree. I have been saying this the entire time since last offseason about him. He'd be a system fit and over the whole season somewhere between a "good" to "above average" QB.

He will have games where he looks like a potential solution, and other times he will be making dumb mistakes.

But with a competent defense and outstanding ST that is most likely enough for a playoff berth.

Any higher (or significantly lower) expectations with Mariota are to me not particularly reasonable.

Thats what a bridge guy is supposed to do.

Again anyone that rather wants to tank because they think this speeds the process up despite history telling us overwhelmingly otherwise is watching the wrong team with the wrong coaching staff.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

It was a few weeks ago. It has changed since then. Marcus Martin signed and so did Michael Pinckney. So its more like 30 and 25 now. So let's review a Jimmy G trade as an example. He will hit our cap at $25 million bringing us to about $38 million. $9 million is left for rookies (six maybe?). $29 million left. We need to leave some in-season space under the cap for signings ($3 million?). $26 million left. We need Andrews back (4 years $25-30 million?), Thuney will be too costly. That's about 38 players under contract. We need about 17 more and will have maybe $20 million to spend on them? This is why Mariota for even 1/2 the cost of Jimmy G makes a lot more sense. Maybe he will be cheaper? We can obviously shed some contracts (trade Gilly) and restructure HT. We need to make a decision on JC Jackson. If someone makes him an offer, we cannot match it. But most people really don't get the problem we are looking at with available cap $$$ and the number of players we need. I didn't even account for needing a WR or TE. Granted there are many jags on the list, but they are bodies that are needed.

1. Cam Newton
2. Brian Hoyer
3. James White
4. Rex Burkhead
5. Damiere Byrd
6. Donte Moncrief
7. David Andrews
8. Joe Thuney
9. Jermaine Eluemunor
10. James Ferentz
11. John Simon
12. Deatrich Wise
13. Shilique Calhoun
14. Brandon Copeland
15. Carl Davis
16. Lawrence Guy
17. Adam Butler
18. J.C. Jackson (RFA)
19. Jason McCourty
20. Justin Bethel
21. Terrence Brooks
22. Cody Davis
23. Nick Folk
24. Jakob Johnson (ERFA)
25. Dee Virgin

This is exactly why we will not be spending on big time premium players, but instead signing a lot of released players on the cheap and maybe one or two, tier 2 or tier 3 free agent receivers!