Mac Jones working out with Nic Shimonek on his strength and conditioning

[upstater1]

Derek Carr is awful. I'll only say McD knows what he's doing by cutting bait.

 

[Zuma]

Ok

I'm not rooting against anyone.

I'd say 1 good game out of 4 in his backup stint is evidence he's a decent backup option at best, nothing more.

 

[moosekill]

I'd say 1 good game out of 4 in his backup stint is evidence he's a decent backup option at best, nothing more.

Alright, this gets thrown in the stupid post bin. He was a rookie, was a backup, and when he came in outplayed Mac. He struggled against Chicago when he came in, but he was a freaking rookie in his third game??. He may never be the guy, but he played way better than any of the qb's drafted infront of Mac did in their rookie years. He outplayed Mac based upon what Mac did in his second year up to the last few games, and you could easily argue even then Zappe played better. We have absolutely no idea what Zappe will do. I just hate moronic posts like this from the usual suspects.

 

[sb1]

Alright, this gets thrown in the stupid post bin. He was a rookie, was a backup, and when he came in outplayed Mac.

He had 1 good game (Browns). So did Mike White. So did Cooper Rush. That's a typical backup QB stint in the NFL. All the evidence we have says that's who he is... a backup just like them. Anything beyond that is wishful thinking or speculation or anti-Mac Jones takes.

He is not better than Mac. BB agrees otherwise he would be the starter right now.

 

[sb1]

Ok

That's not rooting against him. If I was rooting against him I'd be happy that he was bad against the Bears...

 

[Zuma]

he was bad against the Bears...

Ok

 

[Rob0729]

If Zappe is outperforming Mac, then the Patriots need to draft a new QB ASAP because that would mean they don't have one.

Yeah, that was kinda my point. I guess anything is possible, but the odds are most likely that if Jones loses the starting job to Zappe is that he has regressed to be a worst back up QB than Zappe. Zappe's ceiling is most likely an excellent back up.

 

[Rob0729]

Alright, this gets thrown in the stupid post bin. He was a rookie, was a backup, and when he came in outplayed Mac. He struggled against Chicago when he came in, but he was a freaking rookie in his third game??. He may never be the guy, but he played way better than any of the qb's drafted infront of Mac did in their rookie years. He outplayed Mac based upon what Mac did in his second year up to the last few games, and you could easily argue even then Zappe played better. We have absolutely no idea what Zappe will do. I just hate moronic posts like this from the usual suspects.

You can point to games in Mac Jones' rookie year where he outplayed Zappe. And you can point to games in his second year where he outplayed Zappe. If Zappe was remotely as good as some people on this board make his play out to be, he would have started over Jones most of last year. If Belichick could pick a sixth round draft pick over a QB he just gave a top of the market extension in the offseason, he most certainly would have benched Jones over Zappe if he truly thought Zappe was clearly better.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yeah, that was kinda my point. I guess anything is possible, but the odds are most likely that if Jones loses the starting job to Zappe is that he has regressed to be a worst back up QB than Zappe. Zappe's ceiling is most likely an excellent back up.

And Mac's unending ceiling??

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

And Mac's unending ceiling??

 

[PatsFan2]

You can point to games in Mac Jones' rookie year where he outplayed Zappe. And you can point to games in his second year where he outplayed Zappe. If Zappe was remotely as good as some people on this board make his play out to be, he would have started over Jones most of last year. If Belichick could pick a sixth round draft pick over a QB he just gave a top of the market extension in the offseason, he most certainly would have benched Jones over Zappe if he truly thought Zappe was clearly better.

Rob for your sake I hope Mac doesn't struggle like he did last year. Counting this year it will be his Third Offense in three years lets' hope Bob's Offense doesn't have a steep learning curve for Mac. BB have already elaborated on one of the reasons why they drafted Zappe was for his smarts meaning he wouldn't have a hard time learning or picking up new things.

 

[Rob0729]

And Mac's unending ceiling??

Who knows what his ceiling is, but he has shown he can be a starter in this league.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob for your sake I hope Mac doesn't struggle like he did last year. Counting this year it will be his Third Offense in three years lets' hope Bob's Offense doesn't have a steep learning curve for Mac. BB have already elaborated on one of the reasons why they drafted Zappe was for his smarts meaning he wouldn't have a hard time learning or picking up new things.

He won’t struggle like last year because he will have a real offense. He didn’t struggle like this his first year. And O’Brien’s offense is very much like McDaniels‘ offense. This isn’t like he is having a completely different offense.

 

[Trolltolls]

Mac Jones is going into the hyperbolic time chamber with 100x gravity this off season, yall arent ready for what we are about to see.

 

[Ian]

Rob for your sake I hope Mac doesn't struggle like he did last year. Counting this year it will be his Third Offense in three years lets' hope Bob's Offense doesn't have a steep learning curve for Mac. BB have already elaborated on one of the reasons why they drafted Zappe was for his smarts meaning he wouldn't have a hard time learning or picking up new things.

I don't think Mac had any issue with any learning curve. I think Mac's issues last season stemmed from the fact that the concepts he had to work with were limited and the audibles/protections he had to go to didn't work the way they were supposed to and I think the offensive line had a similar issue. I think most of - if not all of - that will be fixed this season.

 

[ralmat55]

One advanced metric suggests Mac Jones could be special

Phil Perry is joined by NFL Network analytics expert Cynthia Frelund, who points out an advanced metric she looks to first to see the true potential of a QB and why she’s not worried about Mac Jones.

www.nbcsports.com

A couple of times in this thread posters have when speaking of Jones’ 2021 season said that you shouldn’t count the Jets and Jaguars games when the Pats racked up 50 points in each game. I say those two games are the most important games of that season as the speak to Mac Jones’ ceiling as a QB.

It is very rare for an offense to amass 50 points in a game against anyone. It speaks to a high proficiency of QB play to amass that many points in a game. Jones’ ceiling when things click is quite high as exhibited by these two games in his rookie season.

The discussion in this podcast speaks to this as well. Without pressure, Jones was only behind Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts and Trevor Lawrence in QB ratings when “kept clean” in 2022.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If Zappe is outperforming Mac, then the Patriots need to draft a new QB ASAP because that would mean they don't have one.

Brilliant post.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

On the topic of rooting against players on the team, I assume the regular crowd will be out en masse to shout-down this post ... right?

It is a bit of fun, light humor. Everyone wishes Zappe all the best if he wins the job. Lighten up a bit.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't think Mac had any issue with any learning curve. I think Mac's issues last season stemmed from the fact that the concepts he had to work with were limited and the audibles/protections he had to go to didn't work the way they were supposed to and I think the offensive line had a similar issue. I think most of - if not all of - that will be fixed this season.

It is hard for me to understand how the play calling or the "concepts he had to work with" caused Mac to have a poor pocket presence and poor footwork. I can not see how those issues are linked. Audibles/protections made Mac's feet shuffle the wrong way???? Maybe you can help me here.

I am a Mac supporter, and think he is a nice person. But Mac's pocket presence, footwork, and mechanics can not be blamed on audibles and concepts can they? Curiously, Phil Perry reported that Mac was the 5th best QB in the NFL when he had a clean pocket. Makes sense to me - Mac is great when he does not have to alter his footwork, or pocket presence. I think better concepts and audibles will help, but if Mac does not also improve his own mechanics and jitters, we need another guy.

"If not all of it will be fixed this season"? It is great to know that even @Ian gets hammered and posts from time to time.

 

[BillyD90123]

That popgun arm will be a cannon in no time.

He better have a better arm than BZ or its over for him.