Patriots Player Departure Mac Jones traded to Jags for a 6th

[XLIX]

I’m not against trading Jones…..I’m against getting a 6th for him….former first rounder….should have at least gotten a 4th….

No one is giving a 4th for 1 year of a backup QB. Be happy with the 6th.

 

[moosekill]

No, but you pushed the false narrative that Belichick tried to trade Mac Jones last offseason and Kraft blocked him. That was a debunked rumor.

Lol debunked by whom? One sports writer writes something and everyone takes it as gospel. The organization posts something and it is taken as gospel. Newsflash, this makes the Krafts look really bad, if true. So there is certainly motivation for them to post information that makes them look good. Not saying it did or did not happen, but there is certainly motivation and zero consequenses for posting the "false narrative" message.

 

[Ian]

Mac was everyone's boy. This forum was full of Mac worshippers even at the beginning of this season. @Ian was one of them.

I wasn't a worshipper. It was simply a matter of preaching patience and hoping he'd turn it around since QB purgatory is a bad place to be. The hope was that he'd figure it out and they could build on the offense and hopefully buy time to potentially draft the next guy while possibly being competitive in-between. I then said the same for Zappe for the same reason when he took over midseason. Obviously, that didn't work out either.

Brady's gone, so rather than continue being upset about that, I was hoping they'd have success with who they had. I wanted them to ride Jones out until it was clear he couldn't do it. When he finally imploded, I wanted the same from Zappe. It didn't work out, so we're on to the next guy, which is a bad place to be and that's why rooting for whoever they have under center is sort of the only option because it's going to continue to be a rough ride until somebody steps up and can handle playing QB here.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

No one is giving a 4th for 1 year of a backup QB. Be happy with the 6th.

Agree. No reason to keep Mac, new offensive system, all new coaches. Take the 6th, use it as capital to move up, gain the extra $2m in cap space, take a QB in the top 5 and reset the salary clock for that position. New era for the offense. Plus it was good timing to make the move before FA started.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

It was simply a matter of preaching patience and hoping he'd turn it around since QB purgatory is a bad place to be

I still think being in QB purgatory is better than having Mac Jones as your starting QB.

 

[Sicilian]

I wasn't a worshipper. It was simply a matter of preaching patience and hoping he'd turn it around since QB purgatory is a bad place to be. The hope was that he'd figure it out and they could build on the offense and hopefully buy time to potentially draft the next guy while possibly being competitive in-between. I then said the same for Zappe for the same reason when he took over midseason. Obviously, that didn't work out either.

Brady's gone, so rather than continue being upset about that, I was hoping they'd have success with who they had. I wanted them to ride Jones out until it was clear he couldn't do it. When he finally imploded, I wanted the same from Zappe. It didn't work out, so we're on to the next guy, which is a bad place to be and that's why rooting for whoever they have under center is sort of the only option because it's going to continue to be a rough ride until somebody steps up and can handle playing QB here.

I think, in a perfect world, Mac succeeded this year. Not that with this OL and skill position group we'd end up making a run, but imagine this team was picking in the teens instead of #3, BUT they had a QB they knew could get the job done and had respect in the locker room. now you're in position (with a small trade up or just by staying pat), to get Brock Bowers at TE, or one of the receivers not named Harrison or Nabers. Or maybe Joe Alt and keep building that line, while signing Ridley in FA (which they might do now anyway). Suddenly you're heading in an upward trajectory, rather than hoping the next rookie works out, which is a gamble no matter where you're picking.

It's always better to have the QB position solved. It opens up so many more avenues for what to do with the rest of your assets. It was definitely time to move on from Mac, for a multitude of reasons. But anyone rooting for him to fail I think was underestimating how dark it can get on the QB carousel. We can only hope we break out of it on our 2nd stab at it, which would historically be better than any team other than the Packers, and the 49ers once.

 

[sb1]

No one is giving a 4th for 1 year of a backup QB. Be happy with the 6th.

Yeah that explains why it's "only" a 6th. He's a rental and at this point there's no reason to think they'll pick up his 5th year.

 

[Tunescribe]

I’m not against trading Jones…..I’m against getting a 6th for him….former first rounder….should have at least gotten a 4th….

Breer said today the Patriots were determined to get a fifth-rounder for Mac. With Jacksonville's offer on the table they shopped him around further and found that was the best they could do.

 

[signbabybrady]

Belichick was a hypocrite. For all his talk about how the players win games, he clearly didn’t really believe that. He arrogantly thought he could win with anyone, which is why the succession plan for Brady was such a clusterf***.

2020 was especially egregious. He didn’t even bother to sign the starting QB until July.

He brought in a former MVP and then when it was clear that wasn't going to cut it he drafted one at 15 overall. I don't see that as BB thinking he could win with anyone.

I do agree waiting so long in 2020 was a problem but I think he felt confident Cam would still be available and he was trying for something better.

It's too bad he didn't see Hurts as that option.

Just a guess on my part based on some rumors but I think we were trying to get Jimmy back and I think SF was even interested in Cousins but couldn't pull the trigger on Jimmy coming off a SB appearance. And I think that's why it took until after the draft.

 

[Sfpat]

No it isn't. Belichick has had final say on draft picks from day one. No one has reported that he was overruled by Kraft or anyone else. Again, not even the report that you cite.

One report said that Belichick gave in because he said to Kraft that he would be open to other people's suggestions and he didn't want to go back on his word on the first pick under his promise. But even then, the report was Belichick had final say.

I don't dismiss the reports. I just am not putting a biased spin on the what was reported. Again, post the direct quote. You won't because it doesn't say what you claim it does.

But final say could, and usually is, that the consensus is to do this, so that's what we'll do (i.e. draft Jones), personal opinion aside, recognizing that others have knowledge. Having final say doesn't mean you trump the consensus.

 

[Sfpat]

Brady won one with Arians and leftwhich.

He didn't need Bill the way Bill needed him.

I think that's objectively fact. You know. Cause that's how the facts presented them self when both had a chance to shine without the other.

Brady won with Arians after 20 years of BB's coaching. He wasn't a rookie. One will never know if he would have won any had he had 20 years of Arians' coaching.

 

[Sfpat]

I like how you put it. You can’t tell the story of Bill’s HOF career and exclude Brady. But there is a chapter of the story of Brady’s HOF career that can be told without Bill.

But only after 20 years of BB coaching.

 

[festy1986]

Brady won with Arians after 20 years of BB's coaching. He wasn't a rookie. One will never know if he would have won any had he had 20 years of Arians' coaching.

We don't know that actually.

Some of us aren't out here giving Bill the credit for the work Brady put in.

Bill coached hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of players.

How many of them ended up the goat?

 

[Wozzy]

Finally, we get to the correct answer. So, Bill after Mac takes a dump on the field, decides to tell Lombardi: you know Mike, I never wanted Mac. It was Kraft that made me do it.

Lol, sure sounds like an unbiased report.

No, we're talking days after the 2021 draft when someone suggested BB was "lucky" Mac fell to him at 15. So Lombardi clearly knew pre-draft BB was interested in Mills and was willing to wait to take him.

You said, and I quote: "Kraft took the draft away from Bill."
That, according to you, was based on what Kraft "said" in 2021. Sounds pretty absolute to me

I've only repeated what has been reported elsewhere. You simply don't like the suggestion because it lays some of the Mac blame at someone else's feet besides BB. And that's your real goal... to blame BB for everything despite the owner himself telling us it was a more collaborative effort starting in 2021.

 

[Rob0729]

Lol debunked by whom? One sports writer writes something and everyone takes it as gospel. The organization posts something and it is taken as gospel. Newsflash, this makes the Krafts look really bad, if true. So there is certainly motivation for them to post information that makes them look good. Not saying it did or did not happen, but there is certainly motivation and zero consequenses for posting the "false narrative" message.

It has been debunked by several sources including Daniels and Perry. If Kraft took final say away from Belichick, do you really think it would take three years to come out? You think that if Kraft forced Mac Jones on Belichick that he would have allowed Belichick to make Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense which Kraft was vocally opposed to before the 2022 season. But Kraft said Belichick earned the right to make his own choices on his staff. So I seriously doubt Kraft would have pushed a draft choice on Belichick.

 

[Wozzy]

No, but you pushed the false narrative that Belichick tried to trade Mac Jones last offseason and Kraft blocked him. That was a debunked rumor.

A couple of reporters disagreeing with a couple different reporters doesn't debunk anything. Especially when many of these said reporters have had a hard-on to get BB fired for a decade or so.

Like I said at the start... it's funny how quick you anti-BB guys are to adopt all the horrible things Seth Wickersham (or other reporters) say about Bill, but the moment he says Tom Brady kicked JimmyG out of the TFB12 Center or insisted that younger players called him "sir," you guys collectively go quiet.

So now Wickersham's reporting can no longer be trusted... you're very selective on what you choose to believe and it always seems to have a negative BB slant to it. Wonder why?

 

[Rob0729]

But final say could, and usually is, that the consensus is to do this, so that's what we'll do (i.e. draft Jones), personal opinion aside, recognizing that others have knowledge. Having final say doesn't mean you trump the consensus.

Final say is final say. Reports were in 2019 that everyone wanted AJ Brown or Deebo Samuel and Belichick overruled everyone to draft Harry. And there were reports that McDaniels strong pushed for Lamar Jackson with support in the war room and Belichick overruled him there.

It is funny that people want to give Belichick credit for guys like Barmore and Gonzalez, but blame others for Mac Jones and JuJu.

 

[sb1]

A couple of reporters disagreeing with a couple different reporters doesn't debunk anything. Especially when many of these said reporters have had a hard-on to get BB fired for a decade or so.

Like I said at the start... it's funny how quick you anti-BB guys are to adopt all the horrible things Seth Wickersham (or other reporters) say about Bill, but the moment he says Tom Brady kicked JimmyG out of the TFB12 Center or insisted that younger players called him "sir," you guys collectively go quiet.

So now Wickersham's reporting can no longer be trusted... you're very selective on what you choose to believe and it always seems to have a negative BB slant to it. Wonder why?

Nothing negative about saying the Jones pick was 100% Bill's responsibility as GM of this team. That's a fact and that's literally his job.

 

[Rob0729]

A couple of reporters disagreeing with a couple different reporters doesn't debunk anything. Especially when many of these said reporters have had a hard-on to get BB fired for a decade or so.

Like I said at the start... it's funny how quick you anti-BB guys are to adopt all the horrible things Seth Wickersham (or other reporters) say about Bill, but the moment he says Tom Brady kicked JimmyG out of the TFB12 Center or insisted that younger players called him "sir," you guys collectively go quiet.

So now Wickersham's reporting can no longer be trusted... you're very selective on what you choose to believe and it always seems to have a negative BB slant to it. Wonder why?

No. There was no report that Belichick was going to trade Mac and Kraft blocked him. They disagree with unfounded rumors. You seem to want to make rumors facts.

And I am not an anti-Belichick guy. I think Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time. I am a fan of Belichick. Just not a fan of he ran the operations for the last few years of his tenure in New England.

And you don't trust the Wickersham report. Not me. If you trusted the Wickersham report, you would quote him accurately and not spin something he wrote into something he didn't. Again, I have asked you numerous times to post the direct quote that backs ups your claims. You haven't. Why? Because you know that what you are saying and what was reported are not the same things.

 

[TomPatriot]

I have to wonder if there's any truth to the BB wanted to trade Mac last off season... and what kind of draft pick that would've gotten.

RUMOR: Bill Belichick Had Deal In Place To Trade QB Mac Jones Last Offseason, Planned To Pursue Another Big-Name Quarterback

According to a new report, Bill Belichick had a deal in place to trade Mac Jones last offseason, but it was vetoed by Robert Kraft.

www.totalprosports.com

Idk. Seems to be all too convenient.