Mac Jones is the Starter [Update - Mac is starting vs the Jete, says BB]

[PATSYLICIOUS]

We're doomed.

Zappe can't pass over tall defenders.

Mac's passes are being defended by skycam wires.

Ska-rewed.

If only there was a way to get the pass over the defenders arms and below the wires. That doesn’t leave us much room though

 

[Patsfan177a]

Amen.

I'd rather see him go 9-16 and 140yds and we win than 24-34, 309, 1TD and 2INTS and lose.

And not fumble 4 times like some QBs.

 

[slash83]

I can’t stand that slob, I knew things would go to **** when he was brought back, even before he was slated to be the OC. Just having him part of the franchise is a curse.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

How does it feel with me living rent free in your head? I gotta tell you I love it because it is spacious with a lot of room. Your obsession with me is precious.

The problem is you have me rattling around in your head and it is driving you mad.

 

[Dingleberry]

Lot of obsession with head. Can't tell if he's giving or getting. Probably both.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

yeahhh, someone's obsessed.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

That's because Brees was 3'5" tall and completely hidden behind his OL, making it difficult for DL to see him. He was known for throwing rainbow hailmary passes because he couldn't see over the line. He refused to allow his real height to be documented.

So, I think Zappe has a chance.

"Drew Brees, Quarterback, Stone 'Enge."

 

[VectorPrime]

Beyond a mess at this point

 

[Love The Drake]

Odds on Zappe getting some snaps Sunday?

 

[VectorPrime]

Odds on Zappe getting some snaps Sunday?

I think Bill is going to let Mac either be the hero or remove all doubt. There’s no sense in middling it again

 

[Rob0729]

Odds on Zappe getting some snaps Sunday?

If Belichick makes Jones the starter after taking him off the injury report and then pulls him during the game, he will look worse than Jones. The only way Zappe plays on Sunday is if there is a blow out either way. If Jones stinks up the joint, there is at least a decent chance Zappe would be starting against the Colts.

 

[Love The Drake]

If Belichick makes Jones the starter after taking him off the injury report and then pulls him during the game, he will look worse than Jones. The only way Zappe plays on Sunday is if there is a blow out either way. If Jones stinks up the joint, there is at least a decent chance Zappe would be starting against the Colts.

By that time the playoffs are less than a Hail Mary of a chance.

 

[Rob0729]

By that time the playoffs are less than a Hail Mary of a chance.

Then start Zappe then on Sunday. You can't be playing musical chairs with the starting QB position. If Belichick doesn't think Jones can handle the starting role, the you pull him and start someone else. This starting Jones and pulling him at the first sign of trouble multiple games in a row is the same crap we have laughed at with other teams for two decades. Actually with Bledsoe, three decades.

I think if Belichick thought Zappe was the best choice to start, he would be starting on Sunday. After the Bledsoe/Brady thing and the Malcolm Butler thing in the Super Bowl, you really think he would be gun shy to pull Jones and play Zappe less than a week after Gillette stadium had deafening chants for Zappe?

The starting QB job is Jones' to lose. Clearly Belichick thinks he is the better QB. But Belichick is giving himself an out if Jones continues to struggle and turn over the ball.

 

[Love The Drake]

Then start Zappe then on Sunday. You can't be playing musical chairs with the starting QB position. If Belichick doesn't think Jones can handle the starting role, the you pull him and start someone else. This starting Jones and pulling him at the first sign of trouble multiple games in a row is the same crap we have laughed at with other teams for two decades. Actually with Bledsoe, three decades.

I think if Belichick thought Zappe was the best choice to start, he would be starting on Sunday. After the Bledsoe/Brady thing and the Malcolm Butler thing in the Super Bowl, you really think he would be gun shy to pull Jones and play Zappe less than a week after Gillette stadium had deafening chants for Zappe?

The starting QB job is Jones' to lose. Clearly Belichick thinks he is the better QB. But Belichick is giving himself an out if Jones continues to struggle and turn over the ball.

Completely agree but if we lose this game to the Jets we should be selling anyone with 1 year left on their current deal or veterans over 30.

Super unpopular but moving Judon could make some sense he is only getting older and he is at his prime now.
We are at worst getting a second for him.

 

[Zuma]

This starting Jones and pulling him at the first sign of trouble multiple games in a row is the same crap we have laughed at with other teams for two decades.

He had a bad ankle sprain and he still isn't 100%...give the kid a break.

 

[Love The Drake]

He had a bad ankle sprain and he still isn't 100%...give the kid a break.

This is just setting the stage when he gets nervous in the pocket

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Should’ve never stepped foot on the field until he was 100%.

 

[venecol]

More games?

I mean, take away Mac's one long throw last week in his opening quarter, and realize that Mac has played 3 games, not 7 games.

There's a world of difference between 3 and 7

That's why I acknowledged some had played more games. Not all those QBs played 7 games.

Now some of these QBs have played more games than Mac,

The numbers I previously posted were for 20+, 30+, 40+ & 50+ combined. I should've used only the 20+ since they include the others. Here's the breakdown sorted by 20+ yard passes per game. It shows Mac (3.3 per game) is in the top third behind 11 other QBs, including Zappe (3.5 per game). The mean per game value is 2.8 so he's above average.

Rank	Player	G	20+ YDS	20+/G
1	Patrick Mahomes II (KC)	7	32	4.6
2	Jared Goff (DET)	6	25	4.2
3	Josh Allen (BUF)	6	25	4.2
4	Russell Wilson (DEN)	6	24	4.0
5	Tua Tagovailoa (MIA)	5	19	3.8
6	Davis Mills (HOU)	6	22	3.7
7	Bailey Zappe (NE)	4	14	3.5
8	Jalen Hurts (PHI)	6	21	3.5
9	Joe Burrow (CIN)	7	24	3.4
10	Justin Herbert (LAC)	7	24	3.4
11	Aaron Rodgers (GB)	7	23	3.3
12	Mac Jones (NE)	4	13	3.3
13	Derek Carr (LV)	6	19	3.2
14	Trevor Lawrence (JAC)	7	22	3.1
15	Matt Ryan (IND)	7	22	3.1
16	Carson Wentz (WAS)	6	18	3.0
17	Geno Smith (SEA)	7	20	2.9
18	Tom Brady (TB)	7	20	2.9
19	Ryan Tannehill (TEN)	6	17	2.8
20	Jimmy Garoppolo (SF)	6	17	2.8
21	Justin Fields (CHI)	7	19	2.7
22	Kyler Murray (ARI)	7	19	2.7
23	Marcus Mariota (ATL)	7	18	2.6
24	Jacoby Brissett (CLE)	7	18	2.6
25	Zach Wilson (NYJ)	4	10	2.5
26	Mitch Trubisky (PIT)	5	12	2.4
27	Baker Mayfield (CAR)	5	12	2.4
28	Matthew Stafford (LAR)	6	14	2.3
29	Kirk Cousins (MIN)	6	14	2.3
30	Lamar Jackson (BAL)	7	16	2.3
31	Andy Dalton (NO)	4	9	2.3
34	Cooper Rush (DAL)	6	13	2.2
35	Kenny Pickett (PIT)	4	7	1.8
36	Teddy Bridgewater (MIA)	4	5	1.3
37	Daniel Jones (NYG)	7	7	1.0

Given the reaction to the per game measure, I looked at it as number of pass attempts per deep pass, which I'm not sure can be disputed. Below is sorted by least # of pass attempts per deep throw. Surprisingly, Zappe is #1, where he throws deep every 6.6 passes. Mac is at #4 (throws deep every 7.9 passes). The mean value is 11.2, so these guys are well above the average. Zappe, Tua, & Fields throw deep balls more frequently than Mac. That's crazy.

Rank	Player	G	ATT	20+ YDS	ATT/20+
1	Bailey Zappe (NE)	4	92	14	6.6
2	Justin Fields (CHI)	7	136	19	7.2
3	Tua Tagovailoa (MIA)	5	150	19	7.9
4	Mac Jones (NE)	4	103	13	7.9
5	Patrick Mahomes II (KC)	7	263	32	8.2
6	Russell Wilson (DEN)	6	198	24	8.3
7	Marcus Mariota (ATL)	7	150	18	8.3
8	Jared Goff (DET)	6	212	25	8.5
9	Ryan Tannehill (TEN)	6	146	17	8.6
10	Jalen Hurts (PHI)	6	184	21	8.8
11	Davis Mills (HOU)	6	207	22	9.4
12	Josh Allen (BUF)	6	239	25	9.6
13	Zach Wilson (NYJ)	4	101	10	10.1
14	Aaron Rodgers (GB)	7	244	23	10.6
15	Mitch Trubisky (PIT)	5	128	12	10.7
16	Geno Smith (SEA)	7	215	20	10.8
17	Jimmy Garoppolo (SF)	6	185	17	10.9
18	Derek Carr (LV)	6	211	19	11.1
19	Trevor Lawrence (JAC)	7	246	22	11.2
20	Joe Burrow (CIN)	7	270	24	11.3
21	Cooper Rush (DAL)	6	156	13	12.0
22	Teddy Bridgewater (MIA)	4	60	5	12.0
23	Lamar Jackson (BAL)	7	197	16	12.3
24	Baker Mayfield (CAR)	5	153	12	12.8
25	Justin Herbert (LAC)	7	308	24	12.8
26	Carson Wentz (WAS)	6	232	18	12.9
27	Jacoby Brissett (CLE)	7	233	18	12.9
28	Matt Ryan (IND)	7	297	22	13.5
29	Andy Dalton (NO)	4	131	9	14.6
30	Kyler Murray (ARI)	7	281	19	14.8
31	Tom Brady (TB)	7	296	20	14.8
34	Matthew Stafford (LAR)	6	225	14	16.1
35	Kirk Cousins (MIN)	6	228	14	16.3
36	Kenny Pickett (PIT)	4	127	7	18.1
37	Daniel Jones (NYG)	7	189	7	27.0

Hot Take: Why is Patricia making Zappe throw deep so frequently? Doesn't seem fair. He should have him throwing deep every 18.1 passes like Pickett (only other rookie).

But wait. Turns out Zappe is pretty accurate with the deep ball: 64% completion, 2 TD / 0 INT.
Maybe that's what Patricia is looking for in the starting QB. Someone that can challenge & stress the defense and score easy TDs.

Source: Ian's great stats data base.

 

[venecol]

Lot of obsession with head. Can't tell if he's giving or getting. Probably both.

Pretty weird. What's next:

Don't look at me.
Don't talk to me.
#Metoo

 

[venecol]

He had a bad ankle sprain and he still isn't 100%...give the kid a break.

Careful, he's not listed in the injury report.