Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness(X3 Merged)

[14thDragon]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

The Eagles DID have a top 10 Run defense when we played them.

Did you even watch the Bills game? The Pats were up 35-7 at the half. No NEED to run Maroney then

They did not run him in the first half either. He got 6 total carries. Brady stayed in the game until the 3rd. If Brady can use the reps, why not Maroney?

Not against a TOP running defense. And its stupid to think he would be. Why is it that people can't face the reality of the situation. BB and company ran the ball enough against the Ravens and Steelers for them to keep the run in the back of their minds. And it allowed the Pats to run sell some very good play-action passes.

Then who do you run the ball against? The Steelers are also the top pass defense, did not stop the game plan from being to pass. If you are a good running back, then you can get yards on a good defense. If you are an average running back, then you will only get yards against average-bad defenses.

What facts support that assumption? Certainly not them going up against top 10 run defenses. Certainly not the idea that they sat their #1 RB because they were up 35-7 on the Bills and tried to NOT run up the score by giving the ball to Evans and Eckel 20 times in the 2nd half.

No, the only way to prove you can run the ball is to run it against top ten defenses. Running against bottom 10 defenses doesn't count. Sammy Morris can do that. If you you are a good running back, you will ge tthe yards against good defenses. Otherwise you are just an average-above average running back. That is what seperates backs like Parker and Barber from guys like Benson and McGahee.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

I find it hilarious that you try to fall back to the excuse that you are just looking out for this team.

EVERYONE here knows that the Pats aren't a perfect team. Everyone but Danny, you, and some select others, realize that Maroney is a work in progress and that there are more factors affecting the situation than you have acknowledged. And, instead of acknowledge the legitimacy of those factors, you act like an imbecile and call them excuses. All because they tear about your pathetic argument.

Buddy, I deal with reality. I don't make excuses. Every single time Maroney has a bad play it is the o-line's fault. Every time he gets limited action it's NOT because he is not GOOD ENOUGH to warrant more action but it's the coaches deciding to use the passing game. The list of excuses is endless. You are the one who is not dealing with reality. Not me. The funniest excuse yet is that the kid is only 22. LOL! Ya, ok buddy. Keep chugging the kool-aid.

 

[Flying Fungi]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Maroney experiments with fetal stem cells. He must be stopped.

 

[Flying Fungi]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Laurence Maroney refuses to recycle. He must be removed from society.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

A couple of pertinent post-game quotes:

"Right now we're a throwing offense - pass, then run when we need to," left guard Logan Mankins said. "When you have great receivers and a great quarterback, you have to take advantage of what you have. Coaches must have seen something where they knew we could throw it and they just kept dialing up the throws. It was working; we were just going down the field."

"It was the No. 1 ranked defense and I thought we went out there and moved the ball and scored points; most of it was throwing," Belichick said. "We felt like that was a good matchup for us, and I would say that it was."

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

But he's not Cedric Benson or Curtis Enis or Kijana Carter or Blair Thomas either.

Not sure who that sentence was worse for: Penn State running backs or Bears fans.

 

[14thDragon]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

I have no problem with honest discussion of Maroney. I probably fall into #2 of your schools- he's pretty good; could definitely be improved upon, and may be best as a split-carry back anyways, so if they invest one of their third round picks to try to do it, then I won't have a problem with it. Anyone that thinks that it is worth investing $20M in guarantees and a high first rounder in McFadden, though, when we already have Morris, Maroney, and Faulk, just isn't that bright. I'm not saying that the RB situation is perfect, though it could get much better when Maroney gets more of a chance to show us his stuff; just that we have far more pressing needs (linebacker, cornerback, o-line, maybe another safety for depth in case Wilson has totally flaked out and Meriweather doesn't come along).

The fact is that we have far more pressing needs on this team, and that, while Maroney may or may not be the answer at RB, 3 threads per week on the topic is far from necessary. Especially when it devolves, every single time, into the same 4 or 5 people piling on, based on the same recycled points.

I'm not saying that Maroney's an all-world talent, or even that he's necessarily the answer at RB.

I would agree completely. Get Morris back healthy, add a hammer in the mid-rounds of the draft, or through FA and run by comittee. Let Maroney get a full off-season, working with offense and not rehabbing. Start putting together som offensive plays designed to take advatage of his talents. Make some adjustments to his game, and you can have a balance to passing game. And if the team brings back Moss (likely) then the offense will continue to be dominant. And if things work out well, Maroney will have a better year next year, at least we will know his legs are not worn down by a lot of carries.

Just don't try and tell me that he is not getting carries just because the coaches do not want to have run. If he could get the yards, he would be in the game running the ball.

 

[Metaphors]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

WOW.. that flew right over your head...

Metaphors, I suggest you put the [/sarcasm] note at the end from now on so people can understand your posts better.

OH, btw, Danny, YOU are the one who missed the sarcasm.. Not anyone else.

I used to defend Maroney by using facts and statistics and logic. Nothing seemed to get through to the Maroney bashers and I couldn't understand why. Then it hit me...Maroney's suckitude transcends "facts" and "statistics" and "logic". He has powers of ineptitude that have never been seen and defy explanation.

In fact, defending Maroney actually makes his powers grow and soon his ability to underachieve will know no limits. He must be dealt with before he taps into the negative energy eminating from Norv Turner and becomes truly unstoppable. This must not be allowed to happen! Join the cause!

 

[nepatz11]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Last year I was quoted to say that I thought Maroney would be the greatest back in Patriots history. I even went so far as to buy his away jersey ( a very questionable investment now). Reality is reality. The guy has a ton of physical talent. So did Ryan Leaf.

Is the guy a football player? Does he have the mental abilities and psychological strengths needed to be a good NFL back? Those are the things that cant measure at the combine, and it is why guys like Tom Brady, Troy Brown and Willie Parker are stars and guys like Mike Mamula who can do superhuman things physically but can not play the game flop.


I thinK Maroney is a stud physically and think he is one of the most talented (if not the most talented) RBs to ever come to NE, but you have to be honest and wonder at this point if there is something lacking that is preventing him from excelling behind a stud o-line.

Is the run blocking suspect? I dont htink so but maybe.

Clearly he doesnt get the ball much, but even that says something.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

They did not run him in the first half either. He got 6 total carries. Brady stayed in the game until the 3rd. If Brady can use the reps, why not Maroney?

The Pats didn't have a lot of running plays in the 1st half period. Its not like they ran Evans or Faulk more than Maroney in the 1st half. They came out PASSING.

OH, and lets conveniently forget that on Maroney's 1st carry, it was a 6 yard run for a TD.

1st series - 2 plays - 1 running
2nd series - 6 plays - 1 running
3rd series - 8 plays - 3 running
4th series - 10 plays - 3 running
5th series - 2 minute drill - 12 plays- 1 running plays.

As for Brady staying in the game, did you see the interview with BB after the game? He basically said that they TRIED to sit Brady, but Brady convinced them not to.

What was clear to me is that Buffalo's RUN defense was better than their pass defense, at the time. So you exploit the weaker.

Then who do you run the ball against? The Steelers are also the top pass defense, did not stop the game plan from being to pass. If you are a good running back, then you can get yards on a good defense. If you are an average running back, then you will only get yards against average-bad defenses.

Maroney got good yards on the Ravens defense with the 13 carries he had. Maroney did OK against the Steelers, though the O-line was getting pushed back behind the line of scrimmage more against the Steelers than it did against the Ravens.

To sit here and judge Maroney NOW is just dumb. He's 22. Has played LESS football than others like Addai, who he is regularly compared to. Came out of a system that was primarly RUN based (that offense averaged 56 runs a game compared to 26 passes). Are there holes in his game? Yes. And I have admitted that, though guys like NSA and Danny don't acknowledge it. Maroney needs to learn patience and he needs to stop trying to FORCE things. He also needs to work on his pass catching and pass blocking. He's thrown some pretty good blocks so far, but he's missed some as well. He's a good young player who should get better in time and with practice.

Damning him the way that NSA and Danny88 do shows their lack of knowledge and understanding of the game.

No, the only way to prove you can run the ball is to run it against top ten defenses. Running against bottom 10 defenses doesn't count. Sammy Morris can do that. If you you are a good running back, you will get the yards against good defenses. Otherwise you are just an average-above average running back. That is what seperates backs like Parker and Barber from guys like Benson and McGahee.

And if you are a good running back with an O-line that can't run block, then what? The Pats O-line has not been very good at run-blocking against the better run defenses. They've man-handled the poor run defenses.

When people talk about the Pats running game, they need to look at it as a whole.

OH, and I do blame BB and McDaniels a little bit (about 5%) as well because they don't get Maroney on the field enough and PASS the ball. The more they do that, the more teams will have to NOT go into their run defense when Maroney gets on the field.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

The Pats didn't have a lot of running plays in the 1st half period. Its not like they ran Evans or Faulk more than Maroney in the 1st half. They came out PASSING.

OH, and lets conveniently forget that on Maroney's 1st carry, it was a 6 yard run for a TD.

1st series - 2 plays - 1 running
2nd series - 6 plays - 1 running
3rd series - 8 plays - 3 running
4th series - 10 plays - 3 running
5th series - 2 minute drill - 12 plays- 1 running plays.

As for Brady staying in the game, did you see the interview with BB after the game? He basically said that they TRIED to sit Brady, but Brady convinced them not to.

What was clear to me is that Buffalo's RUN defense was better than their pass defense, at the time. So you exploit the weaker.




Maroney got good yards on the Ravens defense with the 13 carries he had. Maroney did OK against the Steelers, though the O-line was getting pushed back behind the line of scrimmage more against the Steelers than it did against the Ravens.

To sit here and judge Maroney NOW is just dumb. He's 22. Has played LESS football than others like Addai, who he is regularly compared to. Came out of a system that was primarly RUN based (that offense averaged 56 runs a game compared to 26 passes). Are there holes in his game? Yes. And I have admitted that, though guys like NSA and Danny don't acknowledge it. Maroney needs to learn patience and he needs to stop trying to FORCE things. He also needs to work on his pass catching and pass blocking. He's thrown some pretty good blocks so far, but he's missed some as well. He's a good young player who should get better in time and with practice.

Damning him the way that NSA and Danny88 do shows their lack of knowledge and understanding of the game.



And if you are a good running back with an O-line that can't run block, then what? The Pats O-line has not been very good at run-blocking against the better run defenses. They've man-handled the poor run defenses.

When people talk about the Pats running game, they need to look at it as a whole.

OH, and I do blame BB and McDaniels a little bit (about 5%) as well because they don't get Maroney on the field enough and PASS the ball. The more they do that, the more teams will have to NOT go into their run defense when Maroney gets on the field.

More of Da Excuses from Da Excuses.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Buddy, I deal with reality. I don't make excuses. Every single time Maroney has a bad play it is the o-line's fault. Every time he gets limited action it's NOT because he is not GOOD ENOUGH to warrant more action but it's the coaches deciding to use the passing game. The list of excuses is endless. You are the one who is not dealing with reality. Not me. The funniest excuse yet is that the kid is only 22. LOL! Ya, ok buddy. Keep chugging the kool-aid.

You don't deal with reality, no matter how much you claim you do. That's the problem. What I offer aren't excuses. They are fact. And its something you insist on ignoring because of how pathetically ignorant you are..

I've never said that it was ALWAYS the O-line's fault. And you can't find where I did because it doesn't exist.

How is the fact that Maroney is only 22 years old and has 2 years less experience than Addai not the truth? How is it NOT the truth that the O-line for the Colts has been using the same blocking scheme since Dungy got there and that the Pats O-line is in the process of changing to a Zone blocking scheme? Meaning that the Colts O-line is more polished than the Pats O-line?

See, what you have ignored is where I have said that Maroney has holes in his game. Many of the holes are from lack of experience. Like his pass catching and pass blocking. The system he came out of had a 56 to 26 RUN to PASS ratio. How is he supposed to learn to pass protect and run routes properly when the team he played on didn't use the RBs in that situation? Through OSMOSIS?

If/When you actually learn about the game, let everyone know. You MIGHT actually become a decent poster, but I doubt it.

And, if you are NEM, as people have implied, you are as pathetic as ever and Ian never should have let you back in.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Just like Brady needed better "weapons" to show the world he could put up stats like Manning, the o-line needs a quality running back to prove they do indeed run block well. It's hard for the o-line to look good when they got SLoMo in the backfield. It's like Brady having Reche Caldwell as the #1 guy. Puhleaze.

 

[nepatz11]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

There have been some times this year when running the ball would have been key and they could not do it after morris got hurt.

 

[nepatz11]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

I just think the guy does not see the field very well

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

I just think the guy does not see the field very well

He is just not that good. I don't know why people can't come to grips with it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Last year I was quoted to say that I thought Maroney would be the greatest back in Patriots history. I even went so far as to buy his away jersey ( a very questionable investment now). Reality is reality. The guy has a ton of physical talent. So did Ryan Leaf.

Is the guy a football player? Does he have the mental abilities and psychological strengths needed to be a good NFL back? Those are the things that cant measure at the combine, and it is why guys like Tom Brady, Troy Brown and Willie Parker are stars and guys like Mike Mamula who can do superhuman things physically but can not play the game flop.


I thinK Maroney is a stud physically and think he is one of the most talented (if not the most talented) RBs to ever come to NE, but you have to be honest and wonder at this point if there is something lacking that is preventing him from excelling behind a stud o-line.

Is the run blocking suspect? I dont htink so but maybe.

Clearly he doesnt get the ball much, but even that says something.

Except the Pats O-line isn't a STUD O-line when it comes to the Zone blocking scheme of the running game. They are a work in progress. That doesn't mean its all their fault. But they do shoulder some blame.

Maroney needs to work on his patience and his timing. That doesn't happen overnight.

I wish other people would follow BB's statements about patience with players.. but that would be asking too much.

 

[nepatz11]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Or at least I should say that is my fear. My hope is that it is all the things DaBruinz says are true and when the guy gets a chance he will be a stud. But I must be honest I have seen a lot of discouraging things from him since middle of last year and while I used to be high on him because of his physical ability now I wonder if he is lacking something like field vision.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Just like Brady needed better "weapons" to show the world he could put up stats like Manning, the o-line needs a quality running back to prove they do indeed run block well. It's hard for the o-line to look good when they got SLoMo in the backfield. It's like Brady having Reche Caldwell as the #1 guy. Puhleaze.

So, its the RBs fault that the O-line was 2 yards BEHIND the LOS when the RB got the handoff late in the game?

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

So, its the RBs fault that the O-line was 2 yards BEHIND the LOS when the RB got the handoff late in the game?

So our o-line is the reason we can't run???? LMAO!!!! Wow, the kool-aid club is reaching now boy.