Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness(X3 Merged)

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Except they aren't going to do that. They might give us Julius Jones, but they won't give us Barber.

And you know this how? Wow, you know everything I guess. What's the lotto numbers for tonight?

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Except they aren't going to do that. They might give us Julius Jones, but they won't give us Barber.

Sooo, how bout that bet?

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Exactly. These guys just want 100% arse kissing threads on this site. Sorry, but some of us don't think EVERYTHING is PERFECT on thsi team.

There isn't anyone who thinks that EVERYTHING is perfect on this team. The problem with YOU is that you are a know nothing HATER who has proven himself to be a fool.

You ignore 99% of the facts and you downright LIE about what other people's stances are.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

There isn't anyone who thinks that EVERYTHING is perfect on this team. The problem with YOU is that you are a know nothing HATER who has proven himself to be a fool.

You ignore 99% of the facts and you downright LIE about what other people's stances are.

Pot meet kettle.......

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

But the Bills and Eagles do not, and he still was not getting carries.

The Eagles DID have a top 10 Run defense when we played them.

Did you even watch the Bills game? The Pats were up 35-7 at the half. No NEED to run Maroney then

Which is exactly my point, I would like to think that my #1 running back would be a bigger weapon then my #4 wide reciever. Which simply is not the case.

Not against a TOP running defense. And its stupid to think he would be. Why is it that people can't face the reality of the situation. BB and company ran the ball enough against the Ravens and Steelers for them to keep the run in the back of their minds. And it allowed the Pats to run sell some very good play-action passes.

I am looking at the game plan, and right now it is clear the plan has Maroney as a decoy.

From my perspective, they are going with the assumtion, it is better to not try and run and let people think you can't run the ball, then to try and prove you can't run the ball.

What facts support that assumption? Certainly not them going up against top 10 run defenses. Certainly not the idea that they sat their #1 RB because they were up 35-7 on the Bills and tried to NOT run up the score by giving the ball to Evans and Eckel 20 times in the 2nd half.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Pot meet kettle.......

Oh really? Please show me where I have lied? Please show me where I have ignored FACT. Not your pathetic opinions.

 

[fumbrunner]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

There isn't anyone who thinks that EVERYTHING is perfect on this team. The problem with YOU is that you are a know nothing HATER who has proven himself to be a fool.

You ignore 99% of the facts and you downright LIE about what other people's stances are.

Seriously, you have to chill buddy. Everytime nsa posts you go nuts on the guy. There are a large number of pats fans that agree with his view of the running game. You have stated yours. Great, lets debate. But your verbal attacks do nothing to add to the debate. You guys talk about ignoring nsa. I'm close to doing the same to you.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

And you know this how? Wow, you know everything I guess. What's the lotto numbers for tonight?

How do I know this? Because I live in Dallas. Because I am inundated with Dallas news down here. Barber is their lead back. Jones is their supporting 1B back.

McFadden would be brought in to replace Jones, not Barber.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Sooo, how bout that bet?

Which bet would that be? And why would I make a bet with people who so clearly ignore reality?

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Seriously, you have to chill buddy. Everytime nsa posts you go nuts on the guy. There are a large number of pats fans that agree with his view of the running game. You have stated yours. Great, lets debate. But your verbal attacks do nothing to add to the debate. You guys talk about ignoring nsa. I'm close to doing the same to you.

Thanks. Exactly. The guy can't debate without calling people who disagrees with him an idiot, liar, imbecile, moron, loser, pathethic, etc... The guy has his "opinions" on why Maroney doesn't get more carries and I have my "opinions". However, he seems to think his "opinions" are FACTS and my "opinions" are lies. What he does not realize is that there are a lot of guys and gals that AGREE with me on Maroney. Go figure.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Okay, I usually don't try to ruffle feathers on this board with Pats fans, but I think my head is going to explode. I just don't get it, not even a little bit. Every other damn thread is Maroney sucks, our defense sucks, we can't run the ball. We are in the midst of one of, if not THE most historic seasons in football.
Our QB and WR's are playing out of their minds and are going to blow up the record books. Our defense may not be what it used to be, but it is getting the job done. It is also full of a bunch of guys who gave us all the glory we have been enjoying all decade and I WILL NOT criticize them. Do you know how many fans would kill to be in our shoes right now? Ask a Lions fan if they would be criticizing everything about their team right now in our shoes. Or a Browns fan, Texans fan, Cardinals fan?? Heck, almost any fan.
Maybe there are a lot of crossover Red Sox fans still carrying the "curse" mentality around, but even that should be gone now.
I always get offended when people pick on the "Boston Mentality", but I've been dead wrong, they are all right. Look at this board..does anything make you people happy? You'd think we just lost 13 games, not won every single damn one of them.
To quote our dear old friend Rick Pitino, sort of....Tom brady is walking though that door, Randy Moss is walking through that door, BB is walking through that door, I could go on and on. Why is it so hard to sit back and enjoy the ride? I can't even begin to wrap my head around it.

Not for nothing but this is why I appreciate New England sports fans. New York fans are somewhat like this as well.

Go to the chargers board last year and all you see is a bunch of brainless cheerleaders who can't have an honest discussion about the team. Same with the Steelers. I'm aware of what a great year we're having. I'd like to see the team be even better, which I think is very possible with an improved RB and safety situation.

 

[Grizzafted]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Yeah, you've missed the obvious and correct answer:

Maroney is an average back, best used in normal running situations. He is coming off an injury so he wasn't able to bulk up in the off season to add the strength we might have expected for a second year player. That being said, he has some talent and could develop nicely. The Pats don't use him very much because they have the greatest passing offense in history and stupid teams like the Steelers continue to throw very good run defenses at them.

Duh!

This is more or less where I fall. I'd like to see him be a #2 guy and get 5-10 carries a game and catch 2-3 passes so in three years he can take Kevin Faulk's role.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Not for nothing but this is why I appreciate New England sports fans. New York fans are somewhat like this as well.

Go to the chargers board last year and all you see is a bunch of brainless cheerleaders who can't have an honest discussion about the team. Same with the Steelers. I'm aware of what a great year we're having. I'd like to see the team be even better, which I think is very possible with an improved RB and safety situation.

Exactly. What if we would have won the super bowl last year like we almost did and probably should have? Would we still have NOT needed to improve the roster, especially the WR corps? Of course! Just because we might go 19-0 does not mean we can't be a better team next year with a few upgrades. We may very well go 17-2 next year and actually be a BETTER team overall.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

Welcome to Jonathan Stewart from Oregon my friend. Hopefully the pats take a look at this kid in the second round.

5'10 230 lbs. Exellent vision , speed, power and nose for the endzone. Very explosive and fully capable of running in between the tackles. I think this kid would be a perfect fit for the pats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgtsSxI6bAQ

Stewart is likely to be a first round talent and will probably not be around by the time the Pats pick at 32 of the 2nd round.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

School #4: You've exceeded your allotment of Maroney-themed threads for the month. Find something new to write about (or just don't start any more pointless threads).

I vote for 4.

I have no problem with honest discussion of Maroney. I probably fall into #2 of your schools- he's pretty good; could definitely be improved upon, and may be best as a split-carry back anyways, so if they invest one of their third round picks to try to do it, then I won't have a problem with it. Anyone that thinks that it is worth investing $20M in guarantees and a high first rounder in McFadden, though, when we already have Morris, Maroney, and Faulk, just isn't that bright. I'm not saying that the RB situation is perfect, though it could get much better when Maroney gets more of a chance to show us his stuff; just that we have far more pressing needs (linebacker, cornerback, o-line, maybe another safety for depth in case Wilson has totally flaked out and Meriweather doesn't come along).

By the same token, comparing anyone who is fed up with the Maroney-trashing to Chargers cheerleader/fans is offbase, at best. Very few people on this board have any problem with an honest discussion of this team's strengths and weaknesses, and how it could be improved. The problem that we have is that the Maroney-hating is anything but that. The fact is that we have far more pressing needs on this team, and that, while Maroney may or may not be the answer at RB, 3 threads per week on the topic is far from necessary. Especially when it devolves, every single time, into the same 4 or 5 people piling on, based on the same recycled points.

Fact: The Steelers have a spectacular run defense.
Fact: The Steelers have a suspect secondary
Fact: Anthony Smith, a safety who, as we saw, is terrible in coverage, is the weak link on that D.
Fact: The Pats mercilessly exploited that weakness by passing repeatedly.
Fact: The Steelers gave the Pats no reason to deviate from this gameplan, as it was quite clear that they had no prayer in hell of stopping it.

I'm not saying that Maroney's an all-world talent, or even that he's necessarily the answer at RB. Just saying that making the argument that he isn't the answer based on this last week's performance, in light of the facts outlined above, is ******ed.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Honestly, can we now all agree that Maroney is NOT the answer as an every down ba

I agree with you about Maroney. The blueprint thing? Not so much.

WOW.. that flew right over your head...

Metaphors, I suggest you put the [/sarcasm] note at the end from now on so people can understand your posts better.

OH, btw, Danny, YOU are the one who missed the sarcasm.. Not anyone else.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

How do I know this? Because I live in Dallas. Because I am inundated with Dallas news down here. Barber is their lead back. Jones is their supporting 1B back.

McFadden would be brought in to replace Jones, not Barber.

So what? It's called upgrading. If they think Mcfadden is a significant upgrade over Barber, than why wouldn't they? Hey, Al Jefferson was a nice power forward. Guess what? You trade him if you can upgrade to Kevin Garnett. You do NOT work in the Dallas front office so stop acting like YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. You are very arrogant and pompous.

 

[Flying Fungi]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

You are very arrogant and pompous.

irony incarnate

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Exactly. What if we would have won the super bowl last year like we almost did and probably should have? Would we still have NOT needed to improve the roster, especially the WR corps? Of course! Just because we might go 19-0 does not mean we can't be a better team next year with a few upgrades. We may very well go 17-2 next year and actually be a BETTER team overall.

I find it hilarious that you try to fall back to the excuse that you are just looking out for this team.

EVERYONE here knows that the Pats aren't a perfect team. Everyone but Danny, you, and some select others, realize that Maroney is a work in progress and that there are more factors affecting the situation than you have acknowledged. And, instead of acknowledge the legitimacy of those factors, you act like an imbecile and call them excuses. All because they tear about your pathetic argument.

 

[Tommysgirl]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Not for nothing but this is why I appreciate New England sports fans. New York fans are somewhat like this as well.

Go to the chargers board last year and all you see is a bunch of brainless cheerleaders who can't have an honest discussion about the team. Same with the Steelers. I'm aware of what a great year we're having. I'd like to see the team be even better, which I think is very possible with an improved RB and safety situation.

I understand what you are saying, I don't want to be a part of a bunch of mindless buffoons either. I just think the negativity is out of hand. One thread about maybe Maroney could suffice..there's been like 985,000 of them.