Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness(X3 Merged)

[fumbrunner]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Funny how people on this board state that NE's gameplan did not include alot of runs. They came out and attempted to run. Here is the breakdown for the second drive.

1st and 10 at NE 48 (5:39) L.Maroney left guard to 50 for 2 yards (C.Haggans, C.Hampton).
2nd and 8 at 50 (4:59) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to K.Faulk to PIT 44 for 6 yards (J.Harrison).
3rd and 2 at PIT 44 (4:18) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to R.Moss to PIT 28 for 16 yards (I.Taylor).
1st and 10 at PIT 28 (3:42) (No Huddle) L.Maroney up the middle to PIT 18 for 10 yards (C.Haggans, An.Smith). (with the whole team pushing the pile)
1st and 10 at PIT 18 (3:02) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to R.Moss.
2nd and 10 at PIT 18 (3:00) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to J.Gaffney to PIT 9 for 9 yards (D.Townsend, B.McFadden).
3rd and 1 at PIT 9 (2:32) NE 68-O'Callaghan eligible. L.Maroney left guard to PIT 7 for 2 yards (D.Townsend).
1st and 7 at PIT 7 (1:51) L.Maroney up the middle to PIT 4 for 3 yards (Aa.Smith, An.Smith).
2nd and 4 at PIT 4 (1:08) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to R.Moss for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 12-Brady 42nd TD pass of season, 4th best 3 6
in NFL history. NE 81-Moss 18th TD reception, new career high. 2nd most in NFL S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-C.Hanson. 3 7


The problem was that after this drive, the two next drives stalled due in part to Maroney running twice for a grand total of 0 yards. What do you expect the team to do? Continue to give the ball to Maroney to put us in a second or third and long situation?

Face it, he doesnt hit the holes hard enough, he lacks the vision to make adjustments in his runs, and he is indecisive in the backfield. What will it take for those who support Maroney to see that? As for is YPC, How many DBs to teams have out on the field to defend against the pass? You can put Wilfork in the backfield and have the same results.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

As for is YPC, How many DBs to teams have out on the field to defend against the pass? You can put Wilfork in the backfield and have the same results.

Yea except Brady already said Pitt was in their run defense package. And the Steelers clearly thought Maroney wasn't "useless" since they bit on the play action for the TD to Moss

 

[sieglo]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

+1000. Hasn't this been discussed? ENOUGH ALREADY!

 

[Tommysgirl]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Okay, I usually don't try to ruffle feathers on this board with Pats fans, but I think my head is going to explode. I just don't get it, not even a little bit. Every other damn thread is Maroney sucks, our defense sucks, we can't run the ball. We are in the midst of one of, if not THE most historic seasons in football.
Our QB and WR's are playing out of their minds and are going to blow up the record books. Our defense may not be what it used to be, but it is getting the job done. It is also full of a bunch of guys who gave us all the glory we have been enjoying all decade and I WILL NOT criticize them. Do you know how many fans would kill to be in our shoes right now? Ask a Lions fan if they would be criticizing everything about their team right now in our shoes. Or a Browns fan, Texans fan, Cardinals fan?? Heck, almost any fan.
Maybe there are a lot of crossover Red Sox fans still carrying the "curse" mentality around, but even that should be gone now.
I always get offended when people pick on the "Boston Mentality", but I've been dead wrong, they are all right. Look at this board..does anything make you people happy? You'd think we just lost 13 games, not won every single damn one of them.
To quote our dear old friend Rick Pitino, sort of....Tom brady is walking though that door, Randy Moss is walking through that door, BB is walking through that door, I could go on and on. Why is it so hard to sit back and enjoy the ride? I can't even begin to wrap my head around it.

 

[FarScapeR]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Hey guys, I'm tired of hearing from NSA too, not because he criticizes Maroney, but because he's not even trying to make sense, and he's wasting my time creating threads with the same ol' same ol'.

 

[fumbrunner]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

What the hell? People aren't entitled to their opinion? Completely ridiculous. Love him or hate him, Maroney has not performed to expectations. Why all the hate for those that have that opinion? Its ok to have a dozen man-love threads on Brady and Moss, but not on discussing one of the few weaknesses this team has? Give me a break..

BTW, I'm in school #2. They should be using him more out of the backfield in catching situations. He has done relatively well there.

 

[Truck]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Running was not intended to be a large part of the gameplan, obviously. If this was solely a Maroney problem, it stands to reason that someone else, say Faulk, would have received a carry. They did not.

Obviously running wasn't part of the gameplan. And obviously the reason is because they don't believe Maroney is capable of being the #1 back.

When Maroney was out, and Morris was in; isn't it amazing how Morris was able to pick up 100 yard rushing games.

Then when Morris was out, all of a sudden running is no longer part of the gameplan.

The reason they don't run is because 1. The passing game is excellent. 2. Maroney isn't capable of being the go-to-guy all game long. He's capable of being the finesse guy when there's a power-back in place. When there is no power-back, Maroney becomes a non-factor.

I can guarantee if they any of the backs we faced in the past 3 weeks instead of Maroney, that we would've ran alot more with those guys; since those guys are actually capable of running.


Maroney + Morris = 100+ yards rushing/game
Morris alone = 100 yards rushing/game
Maroney alone = 20 yards rushing/game
Hmm...

 

[sieglo]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Have I missed anyone?

Yeah, you've missed the obvious and correct answer:

Maroney is an average back, best used in normal running situations. He is coming off an injury so he wasn't able to bulk up in the off season to add the strength we might have expected for a second year player. That being said, he has some talent and could develop nicely. The Pats don't use him very much because they have the greatest passing offense in history and stupid teams like the Steelers continue to throw very good run defenses at them.

Duh!

 

[mdhprime]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Obviously running wasn't part of the gameplan. And obviously the reason is because they don't believe Maroney is capable of being the #1 back.

When Maroney was out, and Morris was in; isn't it amazing how Morris was able to pick up 100 yard rushing games.

Then when Morris was out, all of a sudden running is no longer part of the gameplan.

The reason they don't run is because 1. The passing game is excellent. 2. Maroney isn't capable of being the go-to-guy all game long. He's capable of being the finesse guy when there's a power-back in place. When there is no power-back, Maroney becomes a non-factor.

I can guarantee if they any of the backs we faced in the past 3 weeks instead of Maroney, that we would've ran alot more with those guys; since those guys are actually capable of running.


Maroney + Morris = 100+ yards rushing/game
Morris alone = 100 yards rushing/game
Maroney alone = 20 yards rushing/game
Hmm...

So according to your argument the Patriots do not have faith in their four remaining running backs. Interesting. You must have a very low opinion of the Patriots coaching staff for them to staff the position with backs who can't run. Pretty lame argument.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Obviously running wasn't part of the gameplan. And obviously the reason is because they don't believe Maroney is capable of being the #1 back.

When Maroney was out, and Morris was in; isn't it amazing how Morris was able to pick up 100 yard rushing games.

Then when Morris was out, all of a sudden running is no longer part of the gameplan.

The reason they don't run is because 1. The passing game is excellent. 2. Maroney isn't capable of being the go-to-guy all game long. He's capable of being the finesse guy when there's a power-back in place. When there is no power-back, Maroney becomes a non-factor.

I can guarantee if they any of the backs we faced in the past 3 weeks instead of Maroney, that we would've ran alot more with those guys; since those guys are actually capable of running.


Maroney + Morris = 100+ yards rushing/game
Morris alone = 100 yards rushing/game
Maroney alone = 20 yards rushing/game
Hmm...

Unless you work side by side with BB then anyone who says -

"Obviously running wasn't part of the gameplan. And obviously the reason is because they don't believe Maroney is capable of being the #1 back."

and "I can guarantee if they any of the backs we faced in the past 3 weeks instead of Maroney, that we would've ran alot more with those guys;"

...I can guarantee has no idea what they are talking about - obviously.

 

[newton_tom_cat]

How Much of Maroney's Poor Performance Due to O-Line?

seriously, i have been a maroney doubter for over a year now (a position that all i got was derision on this board when i started, now suddenly i'm in the majority.) but how much of lm's poor performance is due to a poor run blocking line, that essentially thinks pass block? i've seen faulk do a little better than LM, but if we really got a stud RB in here like McFadden, and didn't get better blocking, what are we realistically talking: another .5 average yards per rush attempt?

 

[Truck]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

So according to your argument the Patriots do not have faith in their four remaining running backs. Interesting. You must have a very low opinion of the Patriots coaching staff for them to staff the position with backs who can't run. Pretty lame argument.

So every player on the team is starter capable in your opinion? I'm saying Maroney is a 1b that needs another 1a/1b. He can't do it partnering with a B (Faulk), C (evans), D (eckel).

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Funny how people on this board state that NE's gameplan did not include alot of runs. They came out and attempted to run. Here is the breakdown for the second drive.

1st and 10 at NE 48 (5:39) L.Maroney left guard to 50 for 2 yards (C.Haggans, C.Hampton).
2nd and 8 at 50 (4:59) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to K.Faulk to PIT 44 for 6 yards (J.Harrison).
3rd and 2 at PIT 44 (4:18) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to R.Moss to PIT 28 for 16 yards (I.Taylor).
1st and 10 at PIT 28 (3:42) (No Huddle) L.Maroney up the middle to PIT 18 for 10 yards (C.Haggans, An.Smith). (with the whole team pushing the pile)
1st and 10 at PIT 18 (3:02) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to R.Moss.
2nd and 10 at PIT 18 (3:00) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to J.Gaffney to PIT 9 for 9 yards (D.Townsend, B.McFadden).
3rd and 1 at PIT 9 (2:32) NE 68-O'Callaghan eligible. L.Maroney left guard to PIT 7 for 2 yards (D.Townsend).
1st and 7 at PIT 7 (1:51) L.Maroney up the middle to PIT 4 for 3 yards (Aa.Smith, An.Smith).
2nd and 4 at PIT 4 (1:08) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to R.Moss for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 12-Brady 42nd TD pass of season, 4th best 3 6
in NFL history. NE 81-Moss 18th TD reception, new career high. 2nd most in NFL S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-C.Hanson. 3 7


The problem was that after this drive, the two next drives stalled due in part to Maroney running twice for a grand total of 0 yards. What do you expect the team to do? Continue to give the ball to Maroney to put us in a second or third and long situation?

Face it, he doesnt hit the holes hard enough, he lacks the vision to make adjustments in his runs, and he is indecisive in the backfield. What will it take for those who support Maroney to see that? As for is YPC, How many DBs to teams have out on the field to defend against the pass? You can put Wilfork in the backfield and have the same results.

Exactly. They don't want to acknowledge the fact that we do not run because Maroney sucks and not because we don't want to run.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

So according to your argument the Patriots do not have faith in their four remaining running backs. Interesting. You must have a very low opinion of the Patriots coaching staff for them to staff the position with backs who can't run. Pretty lame argument.

What are you talking about? Backups are backups. #1 Draft Picks are suppossed to be the goods. Maroney is suppossed to be able to be a #1 guy. Eckel, Evans, and Faulk are NOT. Once Maroney has proven himself to be a BUST and not capable of carrying the load, than obviously the coaches are going to rather pass than give it to backup running backs like Evans and Eckel. Wake up.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Let's Put An End To the Maroney Madness

Okay, I usually don't try to ruffle feathers on this board with Pats fans, but I think my head is going to explode. I just don't get it, not even a little bit. Every other damn thread is Maroney sucks, our defense sucks, we can't run the ball. We are in the midst of one of, if not THE most historic seasons in football.
Our QB and WR's are playing out of their minds and are going to blow up the record books. Our defense may not be what it used to be, but it is getting the job done. It is also full of a bunch of guys who gave us all the glory we have been enjoying all decade and I WILL NOT criticize them. Do you know how many fans would kill to be in our shoes right now? Ask a Lions fan if they would be criticizing everything about their team right now in our shoes. Or a Browns fan, Texans fan, Cardinals fan?? Heck, almost any fan.
Maybe there are a lot of crossover Red Sox fans still carrying the "curse" mentality around, but even that should be gone now.
I always get offended when people pick on the "Boston Mentality", but I've been dead wrong, they are all right. Look at this board..does anything make you people happy? You'd think we just lost 13 games, not won every single damn one of them.
To quote our dear old friend Rick Pitino, sort of....Tom brady is walking though that door, Randy Moss is walking through that door, BB is walking through that door, I could go on and on. Why is it so hard to sit back and enjoy the ride? I can't even begin to wrap my head around it.

:agree:

Yeah, you've missed the obvious and correct answer:

Maroney is an average back, best used in normal running situations. He is coming off an injury so he wasn't able to bulk up in the off season to add the strength we might have expected for a second year player. That being said, he has some talent and could develop nicely. The Pats don't use him very much because they have the greatest passing offense in history and stupid teams like the Steelers continue to throw very good run defenses at them.

Duh!

Double duh...

What the hell? People aren't entitled to their opinion? Completely ridiculous. Love him or hate him, Maroney has not performed to expectations. Why all the hate for those that have that opinion? Its ok to have a dozen man-love threads on Brady and Moss, but not on discussing one of the few weaknesses this team has? Give me a break..

Whose expectations - the fanboys? Bill and Josh seem to be OK with him. When they start making decisions to please the fanboys, it'll be time to stick a fork in the dynasty...

 

[sieglo]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Goddamn it, the server won't let me bring up NSA's profile and put him on ignore.

 

[aluminum seats]

Re: How Much of Maroney's Poor Performance Due to O-Line?

seriously, i have been a maroney doubter for over a year now (a position that all i got was derision on this board when i started, now suddenly i'm in the majority.) but how much of mm's poor performance is due to a poor run blocking line, that essentially thinks pass block? i've seen faulk do a little better than MM, but if we really got a stud RB in here like McFadden, and didn't get better blocking, what are we realistically talking: another .5 average yards per rush attempt?

I would agree that the line is better at this point in pass blocking vs. run blocking. But I think another issue is just the number of attempts--a lot of times you'll see teams ramming away w/the running game for a half or more, before finally seeing the results of wearing the other team down. But how could the Pats justify that with this type of passing game?

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

And another thing. Those of you who think we are NOT going to upgrade the running back position in the offseason are nuts. Do you honestly think our offense would be able to substain a season ending loss to Randy Moss? Welker is a slot guy, not an outside guy. You think Stallworth and Gaffney on the outside are GOOD ENOUGH to keep this offense rolling with absolutely NO RUNNING GAME? Puhleaze. This backfield will definitely be upgraded in the offseason just like the wide receiving corps was this offseason. I expect a veteran or a high round draft pick. Without a doubt.

 

[sebman2112]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Obviously running wasn't part of the gameplan. And obviously the reason is because they don't believe Maroney is capable of being the #1 back.

When Maroney was out, and Morris was in; isn't it amazing how Morris was able to pick up 100 yard rushing games.

Then when Morris was out, all of a sudden running is no longer part of the gameplan.

The reason they don't run is because 1. The passing game is excellent. 2. Maroney isn't capable of being the go-to-guy all game long. He's capable of being the finesse guy when there's a power-back in place. When there is no power-back, Maroney becomes a non-factor.

I can guarantee if they any of the backs we faced in the past 3 weeks instead of Maroney, that we would've ran alot more with those guys; since those guys are actually capable of running.


Maroney + Morris = 100+ yards rushing/game
Morris alone = 100 yards rushing/game
Maroney alone = 20 yards rushing/game
Hmm...

Before Maroney's injury he was running the ball more often than Morris, and he had a 100 yard rushing game the week before Morris had two 100 yard games.

 

[sebman2112]

Re: Maroney running poorly and missing tacklers

Goddamn it, the server won't let me bring up NSA's profile and put him on ignore.

Go to your own profile, and then go down to where it says buddy/ignore list. All you have to do is type in "national" and his SN will automatically come up. Click on his name, then add it to your ignore list, and you're golden.