Nah, it’s hysteria. Caution is limiting being in crowded areas. Hysteria is locking yourself in your house for months at a time. I get it. You have a wife that has COPD. Not everyone has COPD. So you can stay in while the rest of us enjoy the ocean.
Hey, I need for you to stay well longer. If you have relatives or friends with any cardiac issues, any relatives or friends with childhood asthma who haven't thought about it for 45 years or whatever, relatives or friends with COPD, as mentioned, relatives or friends with high blood pressure, relatives or friends over 65... they need that too.
If you don't, yes, you can blame all caution on me and my wife. We're at over 40k deaths. And they die alone.
You're being a hysterical denialist. It. Can. Happen.
This is fact.
Actions to make it not happen are not hysteria until we have something effective against the spread.
That's the whole thing. We need it to take longer to spread, so your desire to spin the chambers around needs to be slowed, fact.
I get that everybody likes the beach. I also get that if
everybody is being super-responsible, and if
everybody keeps doing that, opening the Florida beaches might be fine and dandy.
Sure is. That’s why you can wear a mask, sunglasses, and avoid contact with your face until you sanitize your hands. Works in the grocery store, it’ll work elsewhere as well. But you haven’t shopped for groceries or eaten out once, right? Because, if you have, this post makes you a hypocrite.
Oh just stfu about who's a "hypocrite." This is the usual whimper of the irresponsible when a rule is posited that might inconvenience them. I get it, you want to kill your grandparents. Wait, maybe that's hyperbolic? We can discuss harm reduction, and your mis-set dial for when it's all fine and dandy, without me needing to be a hypocrite or you wanting to kill grandma.
Beach.
It's a matter of harm reduction. I haven't shopped AT THE STORE, but sure, human beings have moved the food. I haven't eaten out once since this pandemic. I haven't left my house for probably a month without gloves, and since the CDC said "mask good" I haven't done so without a mask. When I saw our front desk people weren't provided with same, I brought mine down, and I have to weigh sharing versus the future possibility of a case in the building, because a case in the building could turn into a few hundred cases in the building right quick.
If you think it’s airborne, please feel free to share scientific evidence.
I think we know less about this disease than would be comfortable.
Scientists Probe How Coronavirus Might Travel Through The Air
hen researcher Josh Santarpia stands at the foot of a bed, taking measurements with a device that can detect tiny, invisible particles of mucus or saliva that come out of someone's mouth and move through the air, he can tell whether the bedridden person is speaking or not just by looking at the read-out on his instrument.
"So clearly the particles that that person is putting out are being breathed in by someone that is five feet away from them, at the foot of their bed," says Santarpia, who
studies biological aerosols at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. "Do they contain virus? I don't know for sure."
I saw your propagandizing about NPR. Fine, show me where Dr. Santarpia has been deemed a horrible source, or has complained that he was misquoted, etc.
This hobby horse about real media sources, like NPR, NYT, WashPo - the latter being country's 2 "papers of record" by the way - by people who have nothing to go by but an ongoing smear campaign from their alternate universe, purposefully fabricated for just that purpose, is beyond laughable, and I for one am not coddling the weak-minded anymore on that front. I watched as the wingnuts elevated the National Enquirer to be deserving of a nobel prize 3 years ago. You guys have no cred on this, just a bleated slogan.
WHO considers 'airborne precautions' for medical staff after study shows coronavirus can survive in air
Don't tell me, the WHO isn't valid because the Toddler in chief mean-tweeted at them and has called for our intelligence services to find its birth certificate or something.
Coronavirus lives for hours in air particles and days on surfaces, new US study shows
Oh wait, cnbc isn't part of your echochamber, so no countsies, right?
It needs to be Breitbard or Stormfront or something?
Look, it definitely spreads by droplets. The only question is "how big do the droplets got to be". And that
is in question. Prove it's not.
Beach.
And caution is what most were exercising on the beach yesterday. Those that don’t will either get it or they won’t. Those who do get it have great odds of survival. Anyway, you may recognize NPR as a source that you’d accept...
If each person infects fewer than 1 other, spread declines. I appreciate your first-hand account. If you're sure you're being cautious enough, and everybody in Florida is being cautious enough, and everybody will continue to be; then we will be in a position to learn new lessons from this experiment on Florida's population. If it nonetheless kills people, well... we have yet another problem. But we do know that staying home keeps it down.
Lamentably, your firsthand experience might not be mirrored for all times in all locations, and might even turn out not to be representative, if not on the first day, then possibly over time.
You go with the unknown, the faster the better. It's a moral virtue to embrace the unknown, right? Bully! And besides, those older than you pay the price, while you puff up over how you're not "hysterical." What a brave man!
It
might be that the good people of Florida have greatly changed their own behavior, because, you know, they're watching the "MSM" and are "hysterical" that people are dying. Shrug. We'll watch your state, and see how heat, humidity, and natural Floridian good sense stack up.
Then there has been the research out of Hong Kong, as reported by the WSJ (I shared the article last week) showing the virus dying in increased heat and humidity.
Some studies point that way, and I happen to believe that's most likely the case. I'm a bit harder sell than you, of course, because I want proof, not "one study sez...."
Add to that the fact that the virus is decidedly not airborne
When and where did anybody "decide"
that?
and you have no reason why the beaches should reopen.
Did Florida meet the WH's own guidelines? No? Then what's the hurry?
How has voluntary compliance usually worked out for lasting and rapid behavior change?
I don't want to know whether your theory says nobody
should have to comply involuntarily. Not interested, no sale. People die from this.
When has it been shown that voluntary compliance works for lasting and rapid behavior changes?
As I said above, it
might be that Floridians have watched enough MSNBC and CNN and don't listen to Trump and Fox on the days when they think the virus won't hurt them. Maybe they're hysterical, and therefore taking precautions against this "hoax" virus. Maybe their behavior has changed.
A lot's riding on it.
The elderly weren’t out yesterday from what I could see. They’re terrified. And they should be. Their immune systems are weaker and many of them have preexisting conditions. But misery loves company which is why they also think younger people without preexisting conditions should be holed up in their houses too.
They're the vectors, genius. It's not that misery loves company. It's that said younger folks loving company could cause a great deal of misery.
By the way, I think if the youth of America were fond of reading, the growing share of obituaries that real newspapers include would be of interest to them.
Or have newspapers all been burned now in your corner of the world? No need, I suppose; being ignored has done the job. I doubt that features on thriving and healthy people dying from this disease fit Fox's editorial template; in any event, I haven't seen these stories there, while I have seen them on the real media.
I don’t go to church. Perhaps you should, though. At your age, it would make sense to make peace with God just in case you get this when you hit the grocery store or order food for pick-up or delivery.
My God long ago stopped requiring me to go to a building to secure my preferred outcomes, and never required such behavior of me to secure a place in the afterlife. Jews don't believe in the standard issue heaven and hell.
I'm not quite in the "death because of age" category, but I do have a couple of stents and high blood pressure. This virus likes those categories.
But you're not immune if you're in perfect health and run marathons. They're dying too.
Look, the health officials have gone along with the "you have to put your toe in the water some time" logic. They added "Don't be surprised that it leads to new infections & therefore new deaths." The real question is going to be how many. So they put out guidelines, including gating, which I don't believe Florida has met.
Yeah, yawl cautious.
I need this process to take longer - not the process of you enjoying yourself, the process of this virus getting to 40-70% of people. Or more accurately, there's a very real chance that I do.
You, too, have a chance, however reduced, of needing this. If you have living relatives or friends over 65, or with the laundry list of conditions this virus likes, and you give a damn about them, you have a higher chance.
If you consider the
nation, and its people, to be your concern, you actually have a 100%
need to slow this virus down.
Walkers.
Hundreds crowd newly reopened Florida beaches even as the state sees a spike in coronavirus infections
Still, many beachgoers in Jacksonville didn't appear to be following the government's order as some sunbathed and gathered with friends on Friday evening.
The rush came on the same day that Florida saw
1,400 new infections — the largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases yet. As of Friday, the state, which has become a hotspot of the coronavirus outbreak in the US, had
reported over 24,000 cases of the virus and nearly 700 deaths.
