Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[Antdawg]

Defense attorney.
And where does he say the sheriff threatened kraft to get him to settle? Looks like he disagrees with your tin foil hat posture.

We already see you've backed yourself into a corner. No need to keep telling us about it. We know.

 

[Ring 6]

We already see you've backed yourself into a corner. No need to keep telling us about it. We know.

I’ve done no such thing. In fact I have only commented on what we know and called anything we don’t know speculation.

But please explain to me how krafts attorney gets swept up into me calling YOU paranoid because you think saying the video can’t be released until the case is settled is a threat invoking settlement.

It seems that you have created this belief where since I pointed out you made a paranoid statement that means I think any statement you agree with now makes the person who said it paranoid.

Just because I think you are miles over your head and know absolutely nothing about what you are saying and you support kraft doesn’t mean that smart people who support kraft don’t know what they are talking about.

 

[ralmat55]

This case is reminding me of Spygate in that the offense is a misdemeanor hyped into a capital offense by a foaming at the mouth media as well as Patriot fear and loathing by the NFL and their captive media lackeys.

The Patriots lost the public relations battle in a total rout with both Spy and Deflate gate. Kraft is getting bad legal and even worse public relations advice from the high priced sharpies who surround him. He might win a legal case, but the public relations case is far more important, and he’s losing it bad.

He should admit his guilt to the solicitation charge while vehemently denying any connection to the alleged sex trafficking and his abhorrence for such activities. He should say what he did was wrong and he accepts the consequences of his actions. But, that he would fight vigorously any disproportionate penalty by the court or the NFL such as the release of the video, any jail sentence, or action by the NFL that effects his family’s ownership of the Patriots or effects his teams’ competitive standing.

I’m going to ask this because, maybe, I’m naive, but what kind of person would watch a video of 77 year old man with exposed genitals being pleasured. Have we really become this depraved of a society?

 

[Triumph]

Imagine sitting down at the dinner table and your young son or daughter asks you what penis manipulation is.

 

[Ring 6]

Bingo!

Please everyone, read @PatsDeb wrote since there seems to be some animosity elsewhere. This is exactly what's happening.

This case is actually quite unique and may become really, really complex. This is a massive chess game/ staredown happening because the video is (a) a bargaining chip of Bob Kraft's legacy, (b) very likely the entire case against him, (c) possibly not admissable and possibly obtained unlawfully, and (d) possibly the result, upon its release, of the ruin of many, many people in law enforcement and public offices who are responsible for obtaining and releasing it. Because depending on its admissability, the video is either public evidence of a criminal activity or an illegal porno video recorded without the knowledge of a person involved.

Let me know when you all wake up and realize the Police Department is, like Kraft, playing one high stakes game of poker right now. If they authorize the video's release, they better be damn sure that is going to be a lawful recording. And based on their offer to Kraft, this is why I think they're not confident. Have away at my reasoning...this is my opinion, and it aligns with everything we've heard.

Regarding “the offer” and all of the conspiracy theories here saying that the offer means they know they have a bad case, from the op article

A spokesman for the state attorney’s office said that it is the standard resolution for first-time offenders, or they go to trial. .

 

[Ring 6]

This case is reminding me of Spygate in that the offense is a misdemeanor hyped into a capital offense by a foaming at the mouth media as well as Patriot fear and loathing by the NFL and their captive media lackeys.

The Patriots lost the public relations battle in a total rout with both Spy and Deflate gate. Kraft is getting bad legal and even worse public relations advice from the high priced sharpies who surround him. He might win a legal case, but the public relations case is far more important, and he’s losing it bad.

He should admit his guilt to the solicitation charge while vehemently denying any connection to the alleged sex trafficking and his abhorrence for such activities. He should say what he did was wrong and he accepts the consequences of his actions. But, that he would fight vigorously any disproportionate penalty by the court or the NFL such as the release of the video, any jail sentence, or action by the NFL that effects his family’s ownership of the Patriots or effects his teams’ competitive standing.

I’m going to ask this because, maybe, I’m naive, but what kind of person would watch a video of 77 year old man with exposed genitals being pleasured. Have we really become this depraved of a society?

Same people that rubberneck at fatal car accidents I suppose.


What purpose do you think it would serve for him to plead guilty then announce he will fight any penalty that he thinks is excessive?
First he would have agreed to a sentence if he pleads guilty to the court and the NFL would literally laugh at him if he said that about their penalizing him.

 

[anditsgood]

Have we really become this depraved of a society?

Yes

 

[Triumph]

Yes

That ship sailed years ago.

 

[Ring 6]

I’m still trying to figure out how the law enforcement agencies who find sexual trafficking horrendous and launched an investigation to try to have an impact on stopping it and saving young girls from it are now the bad guys who have awful intentions, must be lying, and are threatening the good guy, a 77 year old man who paid for a band job from a hooker them went back the very next day and paid for a blow job.

 

[anditsgood]

That ship sailed years ago.

much agreed, its seems like we are in a live Jerry Springer show

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Hold on. So if my wife or daughter go to Florida and are raped, and someone gets some video of the case that's used as evidence , in order to have their perpetrator punished, they'd have to essentially agree to having their rape video released to the public, and inevitably put on Pornhub?

I don’t know that answer to that specific question, but I do know that one of the reasons for all the “Florida man” memes is that Florida’s broad public records law makes a lot of police report details available that often wouldn’t be available in other states.

 

[Tony2046]

Hold on. So if my wife or daughter go to Florida and are raped, and someone gets some video of the case that's used as evidence , in order to have their perpetrator punished, they'd have to essentially agree to having their rape video released to the public, and inevitably put on Pornhub?

I assume their faces and private areas would be blurred.

 

[Soliel]

He once served as Special Counsel and Deputy Counsel to George W. Bush. When in the White House, he said, he “provided legal advice to the President and senior White House officials on a wide range of issues, including congressional and other government investigations, national security and foreign affairs, the financial crisis of 2008 and complex constitutional questions”.

Obviously, a big tin foil hat guy.

I’ll say again. And you all can hold me to this.

The state of Florida will NOT win a misdemeanor case against kraft and Goldberger. Ok? You won’t have any LEGALLY attained evidence. You will lose and be fortunate not to be sued at best. Their best option would be to drop charges before Goldberger turns them into stupid looking hamburger

 

[Chevrolet]

I’ll say again. And you all can hold me to this.

The state of Florida will NOT win a misdemeanor case against kraft and Goldberger. Ok? You won’t have any LEGALLY attained evidence. You will lose and be fortunate not to be sued at best. Their best option would be to drop charges before Goldberger turns them into stupid looking hamburger

You may be 100% correct, but if the video somehow gets released despite the case against Kraft being dropped, Kraft will be irreperably tarnished and perhaps his days as owner will be over?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Oh I guess by sheer dumb luck we happened to be be right on target about Kraft’s legal strategy. Wow @AndyJohnson , look at the luck!

 

[Soliel]

You may be 100% correct, but if the video somehow gets released despite the case against Kraft being dropped, Kraft will be irreperably tarnished and perhaps his days as owner will be over?

True. The NFL would love to do something crazy to us that ranges far outside the law. That being said. The state of Florida loses this case. Damage is done either way tho.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Imagine sitting down at the dinner table and your young son or daughter asks you what penis manipulation is.

We knew what handjobs and blowjobs were back in grade school in the 60's ... like 5th grade.
With the internet now these kids may know earlier than that.

 

[Ring 6]

Oh I guess by sheer dumb luck we happened to be be right on target about Kraft’s legal strategy. Wow @AndyJohnson , look at the luck!

When did I ever say krafts legal teams wouldn’t try those things?
I’m disputing people claiming that a sealed warrant for surveillance was illegally obtained when they have absolutely no idea what isin it.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

I’m still trying to figure out how the law enforcement agencies who find sexual trafficking horrendous and launched an investigation to try to have an impact on stopping it and saving young girls from it are now the bad guys who have awful intentions, must be lying, and are threatening the good guy, a 77 year old man who paid for a band job from a hooker them went back the very next day and paid for a blow job.

Let me help you with this:

1- the odds of this actually being a case of sexual trafficking are roughly 0.0%;
2- they wiped their *** with the 4th amendment on this one.

 

[Kontradiction]

Jesus, some of you have a very serious misunderstanding of just how Florida’s Sunshine Law and other public records laws work.