Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[Soliel]

Is it naive to think a racist cop framed OJ?

Hard to call.

 

[Tb12goesinya]

Unfortunately, I and millions of other people now know $h!+ about Robert Kraft. And equating a sleazy massage parlor and someone's bedroom as similar places with expectations of privacy is, as I have said, foolish.

What about putting cameras in changing rooms to prevent retail theft. I think there definitely is an implied expectation of privacy when in a massage room. Some people are going there for an actual massage and have their junk on the Jupiter PD database. Too much freedom > too little... can't allow modern technology to trampede on basic rights

 

[IcyPatriot]

Let me ask you something, he is facing up to a year in jail, would you walk in there without a lawyer? If the answer is no and you were paying the lawyer, would you listen to him? If so, then everything you just said is nonsense. No lawyer is going to tell you to cop to it.

Report: Kraft not expected to dispute charges

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I agree, incredibly naive

How can I put this diplomatically? As men, sometimes, many of us think with the little brain instead of the big brain..........We may all have been guilty of this as some times during our lives. Maybe not to spa/prostitution extent, but doing things that in retrospect weren't the smartest.....

 

[Ring 6]

Is it naive to think a racist cop framed OJ?

Yes it is

Do racist cops exist?

Yes they do

Was Fuhman racist?

Being a racist does not prove you framed a particular person. The evidence was blatantly obvious, and he has essentially admitted he killed her since.

Yes... Does temperature affect ball air pressure?

Yes

Yes..... but do we then ignore all the other evidence and use those singular facts to declare innocence?

This is where you are a moron. The evidence proves innocence.
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The OJ jury did and 99% of Pats fans did...we believe what we want to believe.

Wrong. Pats fans invested themselves in learning the facts. The OJ jury did a Rodney king make up.

Facts are important. Following the facts to find the truth is not analagous with ignoring them because you don’t like them.

 

[Ring 6]

What about putting cameras in changing rooms to prevent retail theft. I think there definitely is an implied expectation of privacy when in a massage room. Some people are going there for an actual massage and have their junk on the Jupiter PD database. Too much freedom > too little... can't allow modern technology to trampede on basic rights

There was evidence of a crime being committed. You do not have a right to privacy when breaking the law.

 

[Nunchucks]

I am kind of sick of people always denying the things that they do wrong. When did we become a society of cowards who hide our misdeeds and mistakes? I suppose we've always been that, but it does piss me off.

I've lived my entire life taking responsibility for my mistakes and being truthful at every opportunity. It annoys me to all hell that Kraft would just deny this when there is video evidence. This is the wrong example to set for fans and for Americans in general. Too often, the first move a guilty person makes is to cover up and deny. We need to be better than that.

 

[signbabybrady]

I am kind of sick of people always denying the things that they do wrong. When did we become a society of cowards who hide our misdeeds and mistakes? I suppose we've always been that, but it does piss me off.

I've lived my entire life taking responsibility for my mistakes and being truthful at every opportunity. It annoys me to all hell that Kraft would just deny this when there is video evidence. This is the wrong example to set for fans and for Americans in general. Too often, the first move a guilty person makes is to cover up and deny. We need to be better than that.

Yes please officers lock me up for 120 days without me using a lawyer to defend myself. I'm kind of sick of the self righteous in this thread.

 

[Ring 6]

I am kind of sick of people always denying the things that they do wrong. When did we become a society of cowards who hide our misdeeds and mistakes? I suppose we've always been that, but it does piss me off.

Isnt it worse to do whatever you want knowingly and thrn when you get caught pull a phony act of being contrite?
Kraft did not see this as anything wrong until he got caught and people say he is a creep.

I've lived my entire life taking responsibility for my mistakes and being truthful at every opportunity. It annoys me to all hell that Kraft would just deny this when there is video evidence. This is the wrong example to set for fans and for Americans in general. Too often, the first move a guilty person makes is to cover up and deny. We need to be better than that.

Kraft is worried about public relations and sadly about 1/3 people will believe his denial because they like him.

 

[PatsWSB47]

There was evidence of a crime being committed. You do not have a right to privacy when breaking the law.

I think you're wrong. Crimes are committed in changing rooms. Crimes are committed in massage parlors. Crimes are committed in bathroom stalls. Not everyone that uses those places commits a crime. If I were recorded on camera in any of those places I would file a criminal complaint against them. They are recording undressed people whether they are breaking the law or not. That cant be legal, can it?

 

[Tb12goesinya]

There was evidence of a crime being committed. You do not have a right to privacy when breaking the law.

That sounds very NWO dystopian of you.. the evidence you speak of was what? Entering the legal tax paying establishment? He hugged her upon entering and leaving. What if they were friends and she found it kinky. Then your 'crime' is not solicitation, it is indecent ejaculation outside of home or hotel. This is why escorts are legal throughout our land, if you want to talk legality.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think you're wrong. Crimes are committed in changing rooms. Crimes are committed in massage parlors. Crimes are committed in bathroom stalls. Not everyone that uses those places commits a crime. If I were recorded on camera in any of those places I would file a criminal complaint against them. They are recording undressed people whether they are breaking the law or not. That cant be legal, can it?

Changing rooms, massage parlors and public restrooms are not private places- they are public places.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That sounds very NWO dystopian of you.. the evidence you speak of was what? Entering the legal tax paying establishment? He hugged her upon entering and leaving. What if they were friends and she found it kinky. Then your 'crime' is not solicitation, it is indecent ejaculation outside of home or hotel. This is why escorts are legal throughout our land, if you want to talk legality.

An escort who has sex with his/her paying client is by law a prostitute.

 

[Nunchucks]

Yes please officers lock me up for 120 days without me using a lawyer to defend myself. I'm kind of sick of the self righteous in this thread.

And I am sick of people committing criminal acts and then lying about it.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Changing rooms, massage parlors and public restrooms are not private places- they are public places.

Why do they have doors?

 

[Antdawg]

Changing rooms, massage parlors and public restrooms are not private places- they are public places.

Bottom line is they did not have to record all these "acts" to bust up a human trafficking ring. They did it to embarrass johns, while using these women as pawns during the process. It's a horrific act, because you'll never embarrass enough johns to stop demand (hell most older men in WPB couldn't probably care less about this sort of thing) and all the while, you've allowed the exploitation of these women to be extended in duration and magnitude. As it's been said by myself and many others, regardless of what you feel about prostitution laws, the end here doesn't justify the means.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Or was it because he was trying to lose weight??? I’ll just repeat, we often believe what we want to believe. I will say that the key stone cop investigation did help with being able to more plausibly deny, which makes us feel better. OJ was not guilty in criminal court either.

You really don't have the intelligence to be passing judgement on other people's thought process.

You think you do because that's what you really want to believe and that's it.

Had you actually followed the facts vs pursued your misguided holier than thou (without the brains to back it up) act, you would have noticed that TB wanted the balls set at 12.5 minimum and that crew was always over inflating.

See post Jets emails.

 

[Nunchucks]

Changing rooms, massage parlors and public restrooms are not private places- they are public places.

I do believe you can have a reasonable expectation to privacy in a public restroom and a changing room
CNN.com - A federal court puts the 'public' In 'public restrooms' - Feb 9, 2005

The same federal appeals court that decided Hill had earlier held, in the 1989 case of United States v. White, that people do have a reasonable expectation of privacy in being shielded from view by the privacy partitions in a public restroom.

Importantly, however, the court has also said that a reasonable privacy expectation is different in a public restroom from what it would be in a home. This is at least in part because in the former, it is understood that users will be expected eventually to surrender their respective stalls to others.

All of this makes good sense. A public restroom is not a permanent abode into which a customer can simply enter and stay indefinitely. On the other hand, it also seems wrong to say that some people have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the restroom.

To evaluate the court's approach to public restrooms, let us now turn to the facts that -- in the judges' estimation -- eliminated Hill's right to privacy in the bathroom.

 

[Tb12goesinya]

An escort who has sex with his/her paying client is by law a prostitute.

They are in the yellow pages, because it's legal.

I aim to live a life of clean living and dont want to continually argue for the subversive, but escorts are legal.
You need to explicitly discuss sex acts for pay in or to be charged with solicitation. Law enforcement knows this, and they know they are side skirting the law in order to make a bigger point.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Is this really necessary? Is there no right to privacy? Or denency? Play it for the jury if it goes that far. Public? What is wrong with us?