Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[Triumph]

He was there on Jan 19th and again on the morning of Jan 20th?

He may be able to get an endorsement deal for those little blue pills.

He had a coupon that was going to expire.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

1st degree solicitation, not 2nd degree - up to a year in jail.

 

[Deus Irae]

OK so now we know Kraft paid the worker at least 100$ in cash in the room after the tug and in addition to the massage fee he paid up front when he first came into the establishment.
He never used a credit card.

They have him on camera paying for rub and tug.

Its an open and shut case. Lawyers will make it as painless as possible, but his reputtauional damage is permanent.

No


Now we know what is being alleged, which is not the same thing as knowing what happened.

 

[Froob]

No


Now we know what is being alleged, which is not the same thing as knowing what happened.

Guessing the video shows the up front but the extra $100 is off camera?

 

[Triumph]

OK so now we know Kraft paid the worker at least 100$ in cash in the room after the tug and in addition to the massage fee he paid up front when he first came into the establishment.
He never used a credit card.

They have him on camera paying for rub and tug.

Its an open and shut case. Lawyers will make it as painless as possible, but his reputtauional damage is permanent.

I can see 23 owners wanting Kraft to sell.

Giving the reins to Jonathan is too easy for Bob to still be involved. I bet every AFCE owners would sign and Isray for sure. Jerry Jones is a backstabber and the Ravens have no love for NE. There is 25% right there.

 

[Ring 6]

World’s oldest profession. And many, due to life circumstances, do choose to do it.

Doesn’t make it right to subject a young girl to it.

 

[Triumph]

Guessing the video shows the up front but the extra $100 is off camera?

No, they had multiple cameras.

 

[LJRomanoff]

OK so now we know Kraft paid the worker at least 100$ in cash in the room after the tug and in addition to the massage fee he paid up front when he first came into the establishment.
He never used a credit card.

They have him on camera paying for rub and tug.

Its an open and shut case. Lawyers will make it as painless as possible, but his reputtauional damage is permanent.

Definition of TIP

 

[brdmaverick]

Impressive beard, how old is it?

Haha wrong guy

 

[Ring 6]

Actually, there are plenty. Just look at any sugar dating website.

“Dating a sugar daddy” isn’t jerking him off for $10.

 

[Chevrolet]

No


Now we know what is being alleged, which is not the same thing as knowing what happened.

Yes OK that is what is alleged and he has not yet been formally proven guilty.
What is the likelihood that they made all this up against a billionaire and also categorically state that they have video proof?
This is a Patriots discussion board, not the NY times.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes OK that is what is alleged and he has not yet been formally proven guilty.
What is the likelihood that they made all this up against a billionaire and also categorically state that they have video proof?
This is a Patriots discussion board, not the NY times.

You learn nothing from history, then? How sad.

 

[Ring 6]

I think a lot of people are missing the point here.

There are 3 people involved here.
1) The sex traffickers
2) The sex worker
3) Kraft

The problem is that both the sex trafficker and possibly Kraft have victimized the worker if true. It doesn't matter what the law says and it doesn't matter if Kraft was unaware. The fact that he did it to what may have been a sex slave, means she was victimized again at the hands of the Patriots owner. It's not a good look.

By trivializing Kraft's role in this, the victim is dehumanized again. The fact is that he may have unwillingly participated in the victimization of a victim of sex trafficking for his own gratification. If he did, and he was unaware, he should be just as shocked she was a sex slave and should cooperate fully and not try and cover his ass. By trying to beat the charges and deny it, if true, he shows little regard for her pain when it comes to his reputation. Let's just hope it's a case of mistaken identity.

Morally but not legally.

 

[Ring 6]

Of course it is not right. And it is a crime. But many here are ignoring their own “sins” when trying to hold Kraft responsible for how the girls came to be there. Because they prefer to not think about that.

What do you mean by many here are ignoring their own sins?

 

[Chevrolet]

Definition of TIP

I do not think that defense will work with a judge.
100 dollar tip just conicidentally given immediately after rub and tug. Pretty strong circumstantial evidence,.

 

[Triumph]

Im blaming him for the whole thing to begin with.

 

[Froob]

Im blaming him for the whole thing to begin with.

Just need Lavar Ball to weigh in.

 

[Triumph]

I do not think that defense will work with a judge.
100 dollar tip just conicidentally given immediately after rub and tug. Pretty strong circumstantial evidence,.

What if the rub and tug was free and the $100 was just a loan?

And thats why Kraft went back the next day to see if she had his money.

 

[Sciz]

Adding to my previous post...

On the second visit, he’s defendant #13 with the 45 year old.

On the first visit a day earlier, he’s defendant #8 with both a 45 year old and a 58 year old providing services.

 

[Ring 6]

That's completely unfair they didnt take picks from Irsay or the Cleveland Browns owner.
If they take picks away this team needs to FIGHT BACK against the NFL as much as we can.
It would be ridiculous and set a complete we are punishing the team fans and not their perverted owner.

How can you expect a team that didn’t fight back when they were innocent to fight back when they are guilty?