Is the assertion that Belichick's drafts have been poor accurate?

[Ron Sellers]

There's more than one way to grade a draft. The writer deliberately chose to use a way which would favor a volume drafter over those who might do a better job with what they have.

It's pretty simple, really, which is why I thought you could figure it out. I'll try to remember that you struggle at that level in the future.

I expect trolls to resort to belittling others as a last ditch tactic when they struggle with a difference in opinion. I really thought you were above that, but obviously that is not the case.

 

[Ring 6]

I expect trolls to resort to belittling others as a last ditch tactic when they struggle with a difference in opinion. I really thought you were above that, but obviously that is not the case.

It doesnt take a troll to be a jerk.
Just accept that you know you are correct when he has to resort to calling yuor opinion stupid because he cannot make an argument with class that even he believes is right.

 

[patsfan-1982]

the only thing i dont really care for is the trade downs i mean how many 2th and 3rd round picks are even going to make a 14-2 team forget about haveing a impact, i have a bigger problem with the personnel move that the pats have made the last few years i think brandon meriweather and Darius Butler are better players then James Ihedigbo and Antwaun Molden

 

[Ring 6]

the only thing i dont really care for is the trade downs i mean how many 2th and 3rd round picks are even going to make a 14-2 team forget about haveing a impact, i have a bigger problem with the personnel move that the pats have made the last few years i think brandon meriweather and Darius Butler are better players then James Ihedigbo and Antwaun Molden

I think staying put or moving up when you have a strong and deep team is a valid point. The other side of that is that with the volume of injuries in the NFL there are few players on the roster who you don't end up relying on.
BB disagrees with your last sentence and it appears Lovie Smith and everyone who ever commented abuot Butler on this board do also.

 

[Deus Irae]

I expect trolls to resort to belittling others as a last ditch tactic when they struggle with a difference in opinion. I really thought you were above that, but obviously that is not the case.

Given that you decided to insert the comment

I guess the 'if you can't figure it out I can't help you' response is as close as anyone here on this forum will ever see to you admitting you're wrong.

into the discussion, you should probably not be throwing stones.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Since when is Patrick Chung "above average" at his position?

Have you seen how bad the 'average' safety in the NFL is? Chung is safely in the above average group. 'Big Bang Clock' Meriweather could have still been here if he had ever bothered to learn to tackle properly and handle his own assignments. Too much freelancing, taking bad angles, and going for big hits instead of solid tackles is what led to the Pats cutting him.

 

[hlywoodjp]

Have you seen how bad the 'average' safety in the NFL is? Chung is safely in the above average group. 'Big Bang Clock' Meriweather could have still been here if he had ever bothered to learn to tackle properly and handle his own assignments. Too much freelancing, taking bad angles, and going for big hits instead of solid tackles is what led to the Pats cutting him.

Could this above average safety please make a few plays in coverage? I mean, he has 13 passes defended in his career and a fair number of ugly penalties in coverage.

 

[reflexblue]

I don't need stats and an article to know how well the pats have drafted in the lat 5-6 years, all i need to do is look out on the field...its been Bad on the Defensive side of the ball

 

[Sciz]

Could this above average safety please make a few plays in coverage? I mean, he has 13 passes defended in his career and a fair number of ugly penalties in coverage.

Chung has as many in his last 20 starts as Rodney had in his last 30 as a Patriot, and don't tell me you wouldn't take him on this team in a heartbeat.

And I can't comment on this year, but last year in 13 starts he had 3 penalties... for 13 yards.

 

[hlywoodjp]

Chung has as many in his last 20 starts as Rodney had in his last 30 as a Patriot, and don't tell me you wouldn't take him on this team in a heartbeat.

And I can't comment on this year, but last year in 13 starts he had 3 penalties... for 13 yards.

Maybe I'm being too harsh. I'll gladly take the 2003-2004 Rodney before the debilitating knee injuries where he had 19 PD's, 5 forced fumbles, and 5 interceptions, though.

Found Chung's penalty stats. Its 3 (2 declined) for 15 this year.

 

[DaBruinz]

Chung is above average against the run, and well below average against the pass. Given the slant of the article, is it really a surprise where he slots Chung? The guy is putting special teams players in the starters category, for crying out loud. He knew his article was crap and just went whole hog with it.

Chung has improved against the pass. That has been plainly obvious in his ability to shut down Gates and have a marked role in shutting down Witten.

The Pats gambled and lost big by not putting a safety on Miller against the Steelers..

 

[DaBruinz]

Could this above average safety please make a few plays in coverage? I mean, he has 13 passes defended in his career and a fair number of ugly penalties in coverage.

Guess you didn't watch the game against San Diego where Gates was held to 1 reception? Or the game against Dallas where Witten was pretty much a non--factor.

If you watched Chung, you'd see that he's been getting BETTER. Also, judging a Safety only by his "passes defensed" is as stupid as claiming that having a huge number of tackles makes a player awesome..

 

[Darolyn72]

But if someone else in some other town had fanned on almost the entire 2006 draft, the entire 2007 draft, top-50 picks in '08 and '09, Adalius Thomas, Shawn Springs, Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta-Cain, Leigh Bodden, Chad Ochonono, Shaun Ellis and Albert Haynesworth? Right, that guy would be sitting next to Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards in Bristol.

That's from Tom Curran and its 1000% true.

 

[Ron Sellers]

Maybe I'm being too harsh. I'll gladly take the 2003-2004 Rodney before the debilitating knee injuries where he had 19 PD's, 5 forced fumbles, and 5 interceptions, though.

Found Chung's penalty stats. Its 3 (2 declined) for 15 this year.

The statement being debated was whether or not Chung was above average. I don't think anybody is trying to say he's better than Rodney in his prime, and I doubt you would find a single person that would prefer the 2011 Chung over the 2003-04 Harrison.

 

[Kontradiction]

Chung is good.

Not really. Bad in coverage, fundamentally bad angles in tackling. I wouldn't say that's good. It's his presence against the run that makes him above average, but he's still a large liability against the pass.

 

[PrairiePat]

Not really. Bad in coverage, fundamentally bad angles in tackling. I wouldn't say that's good. It's his presence against the run that makes him above average, but he's still a large liability against the pass.

I think you're being too harsh here. Chung's the best tackler on the defense, maybe along with Mayo. He's a strong force in the run defense. He's a special teams weapon. For a SAFETY, he's not bad in coverage either (see Gates), but it's clearly the weakest part of his game.

 

[Ron Sellers]

But if someone else in some other town had fanned on almost the entire 2006 draft, the entire 2007 draft, top-50 picks in '08 and '09, Adalius Thomas, Shawn Springs, Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta-Cain, Leigh Bodden, Chad Ochonono, Shaun Ellis and Albert Haynesworth? Right, that guy would be sitting next to Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards in Bristol.

That's from Tom Curran and its 1000% true.

Tom, is that you?


If all you look for are misses, then that's all you're going to find. You imply that Belichick would already be out of a job anywhere else. Please list me all the coaches in NFL history that have been fired when they are three games over .500 and coming off a 14-3 season?


:crickets:


You've now said the same thing in at least three threads now, possibly more; you'll find your rebuttals already in place in the Curran thread. Are you going to keep quoting Curran in more threads? At what point does it become spam?

 

[Snapper]

But if someone else in some other town had fanned on almost the entire 2006 draft, the entire 2007 draft, top-50 picks in '08 and '09, Adalius Thomas, Shawn Springs, Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta-Cain, Leigh Bodden, Chad Ochonono, Shaun Ellis and Albert Haynesworth? Right, that guy would be sitting next to Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards in Bristol.

That's from Tom Curran and its 1000% true.

I'd first suggest that Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards are sitting in Bristol because they didn't win three Super Bowls. It's not someone else in town. It's the guy who's brought the franchise the most success, and overwhelmingly so.

There's no arguing the misses on high draft picks, but I'd nitpick "the entire 2007 draft" inclusion here. They traded away one of their firsts, their second, their third, a fourth and seventh that year. After Meriweather, the next guy drafted was Kareem Brown in the fourth round. But as a result of trades made with picks (2 and 7 for Welker, 4 for Moss, 1st to SF in return for what became Mayo in '08) that year, the Pats ended up with four guys who made Pro Bowls.

Yeah, yeah, I know Meriweather's Pro Bowls are suspect, but that's not the point. The point is I don't give a damn that the guys drafted in the fourth through seventh rounds either didn't make or didn't have an impact on a team that went 16-0. I don't suspect them to. But they still got great return on the picks they had that year.

 

[grux]

I think it is pretty easy to figure out. He has done a very good job drafting on the offensive side of the ball but has to many whiffs via the draft and free agency on the defensive side of the ball. We have to many JAGS and not enough playmakers.

 

[rdf63]

Have you seen the safety position around the league? Why do you think it is the era of the TEs? The safety position may be at an all time low. Chung is clearly above average. It is kind of faint praise, but he is better than a lot of Pats fan give him credit for.

Chung is above average at safety but needs a strong safety along side. The Pats need to use one of the 2012 picks and go after Barron from Alabama or somebody similar to complement Chung. He cant be a one man show out there on defense.