Is Danny Amendola the next domino to fall?

[aluminum seats]

Not to step into a back-and-forth that I'm not a part of (well, actually to do exactly that), @robertweathers & @Deus Irae, but I think, Robert, the relevant question here is Deus' as to why you think contracts should be revisited annually when it's to the teams' benefit, but not when it's to the players' benefit.

This is not to suggest the team doesn't consistently revisit contracts (they clearly do) but why philosophically you're totally in favor of it, as opposed to, say, after Gronk wrote one tweet full of emojis and "ha ha's" about his extension really being a pay cut, you raged about how much you "hate this crap."

That I think is the question in play, although I could be wrong.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why wouldn't you?

Please don't tell me that you think am NFL contract means something?

Didn't you say you had a problem with players wanting to redo their contracts?

 

[Huckleberry1]

It's OK for the team to ask and its OK for the player to say no.The Patriots gain nothing by letting Amendola go they just get worse at the same price. And the argument they need. the cap room to sign Collins or Hightower carries no weight as the difference in those deals is going to be tens of millions not a couple million, especially after that space is spent on jags to get though the season. Creating cap room was a priority a few weeks ago, now it's not. The focus from here on out should be on fielding the best team and trying to force feed salary cuts just to save a few bucks makes no sense.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

All right, this is complete nonsense. Amendola definitely is not "slow," or he wouldn't do as well as he did last season -- 72 receptions (incl. seven in the playoffs), 23 punt returns for 276 yards (including a long of 82) and also had eight kickoff returns for 172 yards. BTW, he's not "short" either -- 5-11.

And regardless of whether others' objections to your applied racist comments equate to "faux Internet outrage" in your eyes, it's still idiocy and has no place here. You think Edelman's race is a liability? Hogan? What other positions are important to assess via race labeling? Just knock that foolishness off.

Get off your high horse. Danny is quick in his route but he is one of the slower receivers in the league. I think if Edelman were black he wouldn't be disrespected with Cole Beasley comparisons every time Beasley is on tv. I also think his market would be well over 4.5 mill per year coming off a 1000 yard season at age 27 if he wasn't white. I don't see how any of that is racist. White receivers are scouted/treated differently in the nfl it's a fact. They're always labeled scrappy, over achievers with "deceptive speed".

 

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Get off your high horse. Danny is quick in his route but he is one of the slower receivers in the league. I think if Edelman were black he wouldn't be disrespected with Cole Beasley comparisons every time Beasley is on tv. I also think his market would be well over 4.5 mill per year coming off a 1000 yard season at age 27 if he wasn't white. I don't see how any of that is racist. White receivers are scouted/treated differently in the nfl it's a fact. They're always labeled scrappy, over achievers with "deceptive speed".

First of all, you're totally wrong about Amendola being "slow." He's not a burner but definitely not slow.

I'm not on any high horse at all. You just have a bizarre perspective on race applied to football players. You don't think Troy Brown was a scrappy overachiever with deceptive speed? You could find any number of black WRs fitting that description. Who's comparing Edelman to Cole Beasley and why is that an issue? Please go soak your head for a while, maybe some of this nonsense will wash out of it.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

First of all, you're totally wrong about Amendola being "slow." He's not a burner but definitely not slow.

I'm not on any high horse at all. You just have a bizarre perspective on race applied to football players. You don't think Troy Brown was a scrappy overachiever with deceptive speed? You could find any number of black WRs fitting that description. Who's comparing Edelman to Cole Beasley and why is that an issue? Please go soak your head for a while, maybe some of this nonsense will wash out of it.

Every single cowboys game the broadcast team says he plays exactly like Edelman. I mean yeah for a regular person Amendola is fast but relative to other nfl receivers he's on the slow side. I really don't understand how you don't think Amendola is slow for an nfl receiver.

Also I made one reference in one post. You seem to be the one who is obsessing about it. Also like how you obsess every time you get a negative rating on one of your posts to the point where you have to flood people's inboxes demanding ratings to be changed.

 

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Every single cowboys game the broadcast team says he plays exactly like Edelman. I mean yeah for a regular person Amendola is fast but relative to other nfl receivers he's on the slow side. I really don't understand how you don't think Amendola is slow for an nfl receiver.

Also I made one reference in one post. You seem to be the one who is obsessing about it. Also like how you obsess every time you get a negative rating on one of your posts to the point where you have to flood people's inboxes demanding ratings to be changed.

Yeah, well, you better not give me a negative rating or I'll sue.

I don't watch the Cowboys; Beasley comparisons are irrelevant. I attend every Pats home game, I don't see Amendola as slow. He just isn't. He doesn't have great breakaway speed but he's elusive in the open field which is why he returns punts. If his catching 72 balls is some sort of problem because he's a "slow white man," give me one or two more with the same set of problems.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

It's mind blowing that people DONT think Je11s (or Amendolas for that matter) race play a factor in his lack of respect as a WR in this league.

i mean, as a white dude myself, I'm not offended, because for the most part, the best athletes we have in this sport ARE black, so when someone like Edelman or Welker come along and tear it up, they still don't get the respect they deserve because it doesn't look quite right.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Get off your high horse. Danny is quick in his route but he is one of the slower receivers in the league. I think if Edelman were black he wouldn't be disrespected with Cole Beasley comparisons every time Beasley is on tv. I also think his market would be well over 4.5 mill per year coming off a 1000 yard season at age 27 if he wasn't white. I don't see how any of that is racist. White receivers are scouted/treated differently in the nfl it's a fact. They're always labeled scrappy, over achievers with "deceptive speed".

This is 100% accurate and I love that you said it....

 

[Deflatemyballs]

Yeah, well, you better not give me a negative rating or I'll sue.

I don't watch the Cowboys; Beasley comparisons are irrelevant. I attend every Pats home game, I don't see Amendola as slow. He just isn't. He doesn't have great breakaway speed but he's elusive in the open field which is why he returns punts. If his catching 72 balls is some sort of problem because he's a "slow white man," give me one or two more with the same set of problems.

I'm not saying he's slow because he's white. He's slow because he's slow. He's a quick 10 ypc slot receiver and a damn good one. But there's a reason he breaks 40-60 yard punt returns but has never scored a td off of them. Because he always gets caught from behind.

 

[Joker]

Amendola is faster 40 timed than Jerry Rice , Charlie Joiner and Steve Largent. I don't understand why you are hating on him so vociferously that you start in with the "likes"-"dislikes" bullshyt. Dobson is much FASTER than Danny Amendola...who do YOU want to keep on this team if it comes down to it...the faster player? I'll tell you and avocado toffutti the type of team you want as far as WR's go...the Cincy Bengals from 1995 to 2012.

 

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I'm not saying he's slow because he's white. He's slow because he's slow. He's a quick 10 ypc slot receiver and a damn good one. But there's a reason he breaks 40-60 yard punt returns but has never scored a td off of them. Because he always gets caught from behind.

Yeah, those damn 40-60 yard punt returns are irritating as hell, aren't they? So are those 72 pass receptions. Here's an idea! Let's swap him for a BLACK WR who runs a 4.3 40, fumbles punts and can't catch a beach ball. That make you happy?

Again, enough of the black vs. white crapola. You've already embarrassed yourself with it and now you're just looking Appalachia-ignorant.

 

[Tunescribe]

It's mind blowing that people DONT think Je11s (or Amendolas for that matter) race play a factor in his lack of respect as a WR in this league.

i mean, as a white dude myself, I'm not offended, because for the most part, the best athletes we have in this sport ARE black, so when someone like Edelman or Welker come along and tear it up, they still don't get the respect they deserve because it doesn't look quite right.

Here's what's mind-blowing: a "white dude" like you who somehow think WRs like Edelman and Amendola (and probably Hogan, plus others including Gronk, Ninkovich, Brady, Stork, Voellmer, Solder, etc., etc.) are "disrespected" or inferior because of their race, or "don't look quite right." Other players are better because they're black? Seriously? I haven't seen any of these guys disqualified from the Pro Bowl because of skin color. Who is disrespecting them other than you and Deflate? How does that "disrespect" manifest? Please don't tell me you voted in the primary for Donald Trump.

 

[RobertWeathers]

2013 - injured
2014- great performance Patriots don't win the SB without him
2015- 5/39 against the Donkeys in a game where the OL was absolutely crap. Had the OL not been absolutely crap, he gets another 2-3 catches for 15-20 yards and the Patriots win the game and then win the SB. He was wide open immediately after the snap on that 4th down play were Brady went to Edelman and Edelman was stopped short.

Yes, he is a proven playoffs weapon.



In a market where guys like Sanu or D. Allen get 7M, yeah, I definitely think DA is worth 5M



They cut him to replace him with whom exactly? A rookie won't be anywhere close to him. Patriots are a win now team, no time to wait rookies to develop. Tried that with Dropson and Boyce, major failure.

Any FA you might think will be close to DA will cost at least 3M. Boldin has no speed, refs won't allow him to push off as a Patriot, so he will be completely useless. DA cut this season saves 4M. So you save 1M on a proven player, in return you get a FA who could easily fail to connect with Brady.

You seem to think the Patriots have many options, so they could easily get rid of Amendola. Let's see about that.

Gronk, Edelman, Lewis. All injury prone. Any 2 of the 3 could be lost to injury for the season at the end of the regular season.

K Martin. Developing in the Pats system. Showed flashes. Still not proven. Dobson also looked like that first season, then took a nosedive.

Hogan, Bennett. Proved nothing in NE. Both could fail to connect with Brady.

Brady took a lot less $$ precisely because he wanted to get (and keep) weapons, not go get rid of them. Amendola is a proven weapon for Brady and the Patriots offense. The more weapons the merrier.

This isn't baseball where you can get away with paying you utility OF $8m a year. You pay players based on how much they will play- not by how much insurance they provide.

I really don't understand why you are diametrically opposed to asking DA to lover his salary and cap #. As you call out, Brady was willing to do so. Why can't he?

We're you against Wilfork taking a reduced salary in 2013

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not to step into a back-and-forth that I'm not a part of (well, actually to do exactly that), @robertweathers & @Deus Irae, but I think, Robert, the relevant question here is Deus' as to why you think contracts should be revisited annually when it's to the teams' benefit, but not when it's to the players' benefit.

This is not to suggest the team doesn't consistently revisit contracts (they clearly do) but why philosophically you're totally in favor of it, as opposed to, say, after Gronk wrote one tweet full of emojis and "ha ha's" about his extension really being a pay cut, you raged about how much you "hate this crap."

That I think is the question in play, although I could be wrong.

Actually I'm on record as saying Gronk is within his right to hold out and demand more money. When I said that the board killed me saying I was a Revis lover. You can't win here.

I personally believe that everything on this planet is negotiable and renegotiable. With that said how you negotiate and how sacred you hold a contract deviates from culture to culture. In this case. NFL contracts aren't worth ****.

I also believe employees are at-will. If they are doing a bad job and paid handsomely then they need to go. If they are doing great and are paid below market and you are afraid of losing them (or the threaten to leave) then you pay them.

Hope that clarifies my position.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Didn't you say you had a problem with players wanting to redo their contracts?

Never. I told I think Ausbacker I had no issue if Gronk held out.

 

[PP2]

Don't think we'll be getting rid of Amendola as we have too many new offensive players coming on board. We need depth to the extent where we know what we're getting, even if it's just "serviceable."

Before Edelman went down last season, the offense was unstoppable because of its ability to morph in-game to defeat the defensive game-plan du jour. Once he went down, we lost that ability for the most part, but were able to carry on because we had depth and were able to shift players around.

 

[aluminum seats]

Actually I'm on record as saying Gronk is within his right to hold out and demand more money.

I personally believe that everything on this planet is negotiable and renegotiable.

I hate this crap.

Pats did him a solid when his durability was still a question mark.

He signed the deal and now he is regretting it.

Immature.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Out of context. I think it was Ausbacker or pat1960 I said it to.

I hate when athletes ***** about their contract to the media and through social media. It should be done professionally and respectfully and not these passive agressive, whiney, drive bys.

I have zero issue with Gronks decision to hold out if he thinks he is worth more.

 

[aluminum seats]

Out of context. I think it was Ausbacker or pat1960 I said it to.

I hate when athletes ***** about their contract to the media and through social media. It should be done professionally and respectfully and not these passive agressive, whiney, drive bys.

I have zero issue with Gronks decision to hold out if he thinks he is worth more.

OK.

But I would rather Gronk tweet once about his contract than hold out.