Is Caldwell done?

[Keegs]

I have a Question. And i would appreciate it if you ONLY answered this question.


How can Reche Caldwell be trusted again in a big game?

Reche played in the biggest game of his life and choked, not once, but twice.
According to Pats1 Brady is equally to blame.... which is FALSE.
I asked for an explanation and he put me on ignore. Don't respond with numbers, don't respond with catches, don't respond with salary cap b.s.

Just explain to me how he can be trusted again in a playoff game and why we wouldn't rely on someone else who doesn't have a history of choking?

 

[Kdo5]

I have a Question. And i would appreciate it if you ONLY answered this question.


How can Reche Caldwell be trusted again in a big game?

Reche played in the biggest game of his life and choked, not once, but twice.
According to Pats1 Brady is equally to blame.... which is FALSE.
I asked for an explanation and he put me on ignore. Don't respond with numbers, don't respond with catches, don't respond with salary cap b.s.

Just explain to me how he can be trusted again in a playoff game and why we wouldn't rely on someone else who doesn't have a history of choking?

Why shouldnt he be trusted? Maybe you didnt see the divisional title game? We wouldnt have gotten to the AFCCG without Caldwell, numb nuts.

History of choking? Prior to the Colts game there was 1 time when he fumbled in a regular season game that cost the Bolts a victory over the Eagles. I dont call one bad fumble a history of choking. Is there something you enjoy about overfilling the forum with crap threads or just making stupid arguments for the hell of it?

Keegs is it possible your reputation could plummet even lower than it already is?

 

[Keegs]

Why shouldnt he be trusted? Maybe you didnt see the divisional title game? We wouldnt have gotten to the AFCCG without Caldwell, numb nuts.

History of choking? Prior to the Colts game there was 1 time when he fumbled in a regular season game that cost the Bolts a victory over the Eagles. I dont call one bad fumble a history of choking. Is there something you enjoy about overfilling the forum with crap threads or just making stupid arguments for the hell of it?

Keegs is it possible your reputation could plummet even lower than it already is?

Yes a history of choking. This was the biggest game of his career. and he blew it. The catch in the San Diego game was a good catch that the majority of receivers in the league could have caught. And many of them wouldn't have lost their balance and ran out of bounds.

I've toned down my stupidity. I'm being 100% serious and you and pats1 still haven't proved a damn thing. You either take personal shots or throw out stats that no one asked for.

You defend him now but if it comes down to the same situation next year and Brady has to throw, I'll bet everything i have you won't want it going to Reche Caldwell.

He has no use to us in the playoffs. He proved that.

 

[VJCPatriot]

No. But I won't be satisfied until these myths about his playoff play and his 2006 season are buried and forgotten.

So what set you off on this crusade? Did Caldwell hire you to become his publicist?

Mediocrity? What did you want instead? 100 catches?

Considering that Caldwell was the Pats de facto #1 receiver in the regular season of 2006 and that there are only 32 #1 receivers in the NFL, then yes 40th in total receiving yardage is rather mediocre. Or do I need to provide you with some math lessons?

Every player will have to prove himself. But Caldwell isn't exactly fighting for a roster spot at this point in his Patriot career.

Why not, because you said so? He's come off a mediocre season statistically that also happened to be his career high. He needs to prove that he is not a "one year wonder" and can continue the limited success that he has enjoyed so far in the Pats system. AND more importantly he will be facing tougher competition than ever for a roster spot in 2007 or do you maintain the position that the guys BB just brought in are scrubs and have no chance to unseat Caldwell?

And I'm the one retorting with theatrics?

You are the one inserting the flames graphics implying that I'm asking to burn Caldwell at the stake. That is certainly a theatrical response to me DARING to suggest that Caldwell actually needs to prove himself in training camp. Excuse me but unlike yourself I do not consider Caldwell to be a solid gold, put it in cement on the hollywood walk of fame, lock for this roster.

I maintain my right to disagree. Sorry but your word is not gospel. Whether or not Caldwell makes the team is debateable. Please try not to get your panties all up in a bunch because in the end it is BB that will make an informed decision on whether or not to cut Caldwell after a full training camp, not you, not me, nor any other poster here.

 

[Deus Irae]

Considering that Caldwell was the Pats de facto #1 receiver in the regular season of 2006 and that there are only 32 #1 receivers in the NFL, then yes 40th in total receiving yardage is rather mediocre. Or do I need to provide you with some math lessons?

I don't care much about the rest of your argument, but this is just not accurate. Ben Watson was the team's #1 receiver prior to his going down and missing 3 games, or do you need to be proved with those math lessons? Don't pin that "#1 receiver" nonsense on Caldwell. Caldwell was Brady's #2 target, and being #41 overall in catches is pretty darned good for a #2 target.

Making the claim that having a tight end as the #1 target is an indictment of the receiving corp would be a perfectly valid argument, and one worth discussing. But, that's not your claim, so please don't continue to pass on inaccuracies just to try to reinforce a point that's not even valid in the first place.

 

[cubedoggy]

He has no use to us in the playoffs.

Are you talking about LeKevin?

Yes, I guess you're right. He was inactive for all three playoff games.

 

[frankiesfly]

he was not equally at fault. how can you even determine such a thing?
Brady was a little late noticing Reche uncovered. When he threw him the ball (one that my 75 yr old Grandma could have caught one-handed) he dropped it. So explain exactly how they are "equally at fault".

why are you bending over backwards, clicking "refresh" every 3 seconds so you can respond to a Caldwell basher? The least you can do is think about it more and not respond with these short crappy responses. And im not even trying to pick a fight with you like i would have in the past. But you respond a lot better in other threads. Why are you so defensive of him? It's really bizzare.

I know i said i was retiring from this thread, but i'll be Seau for a sec. Just to thank keegs, and VJC for continuing where i left off, and making some valid points i wasnt motivated enough to make, to a closed minded person. No matter what you say to Pats1 he is always going to think he's right and try to manipulate everything you say. So thats why I retired from this thread and now its official.

 

[Kdo5]

Yes a history of choking. This was the biggest game of his career. and he blew it. The catch in the San Diego game was a good catch that the majority of receivers in the league could have caught. And many of them wouldn't have lost their balance and ran out of bounds.

I've toned down my stupidity. I'm being 100% serious and you and pats1 still haven't proved a damn thing. You either take personal shots or throw out stats that no one asked for.

You defend him now but if it comes down to the same situation next year and Brady has to throw, I'll bet everything i have you won't want it going to Reche Caldwell.

He has no use to us in the playoffs. He proved that.

You are a broken record in this thread Keegs. Same argument, no decent evidence.

No use? We won the Chargers game in large part because of Caldwell. Its not easy to stay in bounds when the ball is forcing you to move close and closer to the sidelines. And it just goes to show how foolish you are. It was much better for Reche to have caught it and gone out of bounds then get the quick TD. Then you leave plenty of time on the clock for the Chargers to win. We saw how they marched right down to the 35-40 yard line of the Pats in just over a minute.

 

[pats1]

So what set you off on this crusade? Did Caldwell hire you to become his publicist?

Did Caldwell key your car?

I have a freaking opinion. Deal with it.

Considering that Caldwell was the Pats de facto #1 receiver in the regular season of 2006 and that there are only 32 #1 receivers in the NFL, then yes 40th in total receiving yardage is rather mediocre. Or do I need to provide you with some math lessons?

Watson.

I wouldn't consider Caldwell a "#1" WR by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn't consider Branch one, either. Let's reserve that title for Ward, Holt, Fitzgerald, Burress, Johnson, etc.

Why not, because you said so? He's come off a mediocre season statistically that also happened to be his career high. He needs to prove that he is not a "one year wonder" and can continue the limited success that he has enjoyed so far in the Pats system. AND more importantly he will be facing tougher competition than ever for a roster spot in 2007 or do you maintain the position that the guys BB just brought in are scrubs and have no chance to unseat Caldwell?

For a #2/3 WR - that's ALL the Patriots have in their system - his stats were pretty damn good.

Welker isn't going to unseat Caldwell. They play two different positions.

Stallworth was brought in to start alongside Caldwell.

Washington was brought in simply to prove himself in the NFL. He has barely shown anything so far in his career.

You are the one inserting the flames graphics implying that I'm asking to burn Caldwell at the stake. That is certainly a theatrical response to me DARING to suggest that Caldwell actually needs to prove himself in training camp. Excuse me but unlike yourself I do not consider Caldwell to be a solid gold, put it in cement on the hollywood walk of fame, lock for this roster.

He'll have to prove himself to be a starter, but he's beyond having to prove himself to be on the roster (save a total meltdown).

I maintain my right to disagree. Sorry but your word is not gospel. Whether or not Caldwell makes the team is debateable. Please try not to get your panties all up in a bunch because in the end it is BB that will make an informed decision on whether or not to cut Caldwell after a full training camp, not you, not me, nor any other poster here.

Feel free to debate on why Caldwell shouldn't be a starter. You can keep back tracking to "BB will decide it" but that doesn't change anything.

Caldwell has shown (to date) that he can be the #2 starter on the New England Patriots, and produce with decent numbers, especially for his role.

I'd say Givens had Caldwell's role from 2002 to 2005. And Givens NEVER had more catches than Caldwell.

 

[satz]

I have a Question. And i would appreciate it if you ONLY answered this question.


How can Reche Caldwell be trusted again in a big game?

Reche played in the biggest game of his life and choked, not once, but twice.
According to Pats1 Brady is equally to blame.... which is FALSE.
I asked for an explanation and he put me on ignore. Don't respond with numbers, don't respond with catches, don't respond with salary cap b.s.

Just explain to me how he can be trusted again in a playoff game and why we wouldn't rely on someone else who doesn't have a history of choking?

Keegs you are crazy...after the loss to the colts brady said he should have gone to reche cadwell and not troy brown so brady messed up so let me quote you

SIZE="3"]How can Brady be trusted again in a big game?[/SIZE]
so let get a new QB and trade his ass.....what do you think.Last year he did the same in the denver game.

 

[Keegs]

Keegs you are crazy...after the loss to the colts brady said he should have gone to reche cadwell and not troy brown so brady messed up so let me quote you

SIZE="3"]How can Brady be trusted again in a big game?[/SIZE]
so let get a new QB and trade his ass.....what do you think.Last year he did the same in the denver game.

You guys keep repeating yourselves.
If it's not stats that i didn't ask for, you bring up his catch in San Diego (a fairly easy one), or you compare him to TOM BRADY. What a slap in the face of Brady.

Caldwell CHOKED. Brady has proved he is clutch time and time again.

Brady has a history of making huge plays when he needs to.
Caldwell does not have this history.

When Caldwell was called upon to make a big play he dropped the ball, literally. Not once, but twice.

In San Diego Tom threw a PERFECT ball, all Reche had to do was catch it. Most NFL receivers would have.

I can tell you Caldwell Nut-Huggers know you are wrong, considering how you respond within seconds and then try to compare him to Brady. Which is a HUGE insult to Tom. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[tigerbait1220]

id keep gaffney as well. hes younger, faster, has better hands and is cheaper and towards the end of the season really started to become brady's favorite target. oh yeah and did i mention that he's cheaper. nuff said.

id like to start a trade-up to get reggie nelson fan club as well if anyone is interested.

 

[Keegs]

id keep gaffney as well. hes younger, faster, has better hands and is cheaper and towards the end of the season really started to become brady's favorite target. oh yeah and did i mention that he's cheaper. nuff said.

id like to start a trade-up to get reggie nelson fan club as well if anyone is interested.

Gaffney is better than Caldwell. And more reliable.
Plus he is better under pressure.

It should be no contest.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I hope that the next one who post on this thread breaks out in ugly warts all over their face.

Starting with post #395.

 

[BradyManny]

I hope that the next one who post on this thread breaks out in ugly warts all over their face.

Starting with post #395.

This is a little unfair, b/c I was only coming to this thread to say PLEASE SOMEONE END THIS ABSURD THREAD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. So I take that wart curse and pass it on to #396.

 

[biffman]

Wow, 40 pages.

 

[Keegs]

"wow someone please end this thread... bla bla bla, i can't BELIEVE it has gone on this long" (insert stupid thread picture)

note- i'm saying "end this thread" but while doing it im refreshing said thread and moving it to the top of the list at Patsfans.com along with my name next to it. That way i accomplish 2 things, I jump on the "get rid of this thread" bandwagon along with bringing more attention to myself.

but yeah, someone please "get rid of it"

 

[satz]

I din`t faulk prove he is not clutch and fumbles alot ?

how about watson ? tooo

so you need post a list of people who are done.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

but yeah, someone please "get rid of it"

At the same time can someone "get rid of" him too?

 

[Keegs]

At the same time can someone "get rid of" him too?

wow that's original...I can already tell i'm going to lose sleep because the toughguy with the 300 Avatar wants me gone.

Why don't you just post your opinion of Caldwell instead of me? No one cares what you think of me, the thread is about Caldwell.

Do you find him reliable in big games?

How would you feel about Caldwell in a situation where the game is on the line and Brady might throw to him?