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    Bit of a surprise.
     
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    Chiefs got Shady McCoy. Should that concern the Pats? Or is he damaged goods?
     
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    I think he is cooked.
     
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    3.2 yards per carry last season.
     
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    SBLIII In the Starting Line-Up

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    Chiefs going 19-0
     
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    Nope. oft injured and is a bad tipper.
     
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    Any decent 320lb DTs out there?

    I suspect BB will need to trade for one.
     
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    I hear Mohammed Wilkinson is more punctual than Polite. That is being polite.
     
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    But I thought Bill Belichick the GM was killing BB the head coach, and that BB doesn’t know how to draft?
     
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    Oh he can draft. He can also find the UDFA like no one else can.

    Just don’t expect much in the second round.
     
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    Chargers and Melvin Gordon seems no agreement on contract at all for the season...
     
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    Gronk says yo
     
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    Adrian Klemm, Chad Jackson, Terrance Wheatley, Ron Brace, Jermaine Cunningham, Ras-I Dowling, Tavon Wilson, Aaron Dobson, Jordan Richards, Cyrus Jones and Duke Dawson all say yikes.

    Not saying Bill hasn’t made great second round picks, he clearly has, but collectively it’s not a great overall list, especially in recent years and especially in the secondary.
     
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    In one of Michael Holley’s books (War Room, I think), he mentioned that the Patriots 2nd round strategy is to take guys with 1st round talent but for various reasons haven’t been able to put it together. That explains most of those guys on the list plus the successes as well (Gronk, Collins, Wilson, Light, Vollmer). It doesn’t explain the safeties and slot corners though.

    Not necessarily justifying this strategy by the way. It’s clear they still approach the 2nd round this way though even 2 decades later.
     
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    This was gone over on this board just recently and the hit rate is fine.

    Nevertheless you said dont expect much in the 2nd round which I why i pointed to gronk

    It would be interesting to compare all of the second rounds in total to the next player picked after them. That would eliminate the preconception of what the expectations of a second rounder (mostly at the end) really are.
     
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    Good point. But I think that there was a reaction later as well. At some point (perhaps after experiences with Urban Meyer's Florida crew) I think BB said "to hell with this -- just let's take reasonably athletic guys who have been in a good programme and have a good attitude and I'll coach them up". Hence the all-Rutgers drafting (which, in retrospect, wasn't the world's worst strategy).
     
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    I think the safeties and slot corners is explained by basic economics. There are noticeably fewer capable secondary players in the NFL than at other positions. This is why the Gilmore signing was so brilliant, too, because they identified an elite cornerback going’s into his prime and pulled the trigger, and despite paying him a huge amount, are still coming out in the plus column on this; they also paid through the nose for Revis in 2014 and gave McCourty a huge deal, and both were good deals.

    Seems that finding a pass catcher or pass rusher mid season, via trade or developmental player, isn’t as tough as you’d think, which is why you see guys like Jones, Flowers, Cooks, etc. often traded away/not re-signed since the Patriots realize they are overpriced.

    How many competent cornerbacks and safeties could you pickup without giving up a huge amount of capital? We saw the results in SB52 vs. SB53 when you’re a player short versus well-stocked in the secondary. I think Bill just looks at it like supply and demand.
     

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