I'll admit i was wrong - Amendola didn't work

[Huckleberry1]

I'm not going to dig through old posts to prove anything to you, I know myself and many here wanted Welker to stay and on a separate note thought the Amendola signing was a bad signing. You go through my old posts, then disappear when your false claims are unconfirmed. You are rewriting history pretending there weren't naysayers a year ago.

I point to others as supporting evidence because emotionally charged people like you go off the rails and ad hominem on me, likely because you can't debate on the points or issues.

If asking you to prove your point is "an ad hominem attack" then I am guilty as charged


You can ask most people here and they will tell you that no one argued harder for the Patriots to re-sign Welker than I did, and I don't recall you saying much of anything about it at the time, and going back over the threads when Amendola was signed i didn't see nary a word from you about it. I did, however, see Brady6 arguing that they shouldn't sign Welker to a 2 YEAR DEAL because he was going to be 33-34, yet now here he is leading the screaming about signing Amendola and saying he could never replace Welker when in fact he wanted Welker gone and had absolutely no problem with the Amendola signing.That's the revisionist history and the facts are plain to see in the threads from that time, which are easily accessible.



And here are the facts:

1) They signed Amendola to a long term deal to replace Welker.

2) Amendola was injured in the first game and played injured all season long.

3) Amendola had a sub par season in his first year in NE because he was injured.

4)) The Patriots cannot release him because of his deal.

5) You guys can lay down and the floor and pound your little fisties and feeties all you want and Amendola will still be playing for the Patriots next season.

Go for it.


* I liked the signing because they had to replace Welker, I was bummed he was injured and impressed he played through it and the concussion(which was nasty). I hope and expect that he will work his ass off all offseason and show them he was worth their investment next season. If he doesn't he will be asked to restructure or be released. By the halfway mark next season we should have a pretty good idea of where he stands and what his future in New England will hold. I think he's a tough talented player who fits the bill to play slot for them perfectly and will be great for them next season.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm not complaining though I actually opened a thread highlighting all that the team did to provide Brady with weapons. That fact aside I'm not going pretend that the plan all along was to have Edelman who was signed late in free agency to a $750k 1 year contract emerge as the primary target on this team. Call Amendola a complementary piece all you want but he is the 27th highest paid receiver on average in the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Brady6, congratulations. You have only posted 41 times in this thread so far. Remarkable restraint after you hit 60 in the last Amendola thread. The one where you posted this:

Originally Posted by Brady6 View Post
I am moving on; I hope you're right and I am wrong but we will wait and see what happens. I think I hit my quota for Amendola talk for this season though

To be fair, the season is technically over, so I guess it's back to it!

You often make good points, but it really should not have to take you 25,000 words to make them. Try being a little more succinct, especially when you're essentially repeating yourself more often than not.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't think it is fair to criticize Amendola without acknowledging that he played the entire season with a groin injury. This may prove that he is too fragile to be an effective slot receiver over the long haul, but it is not a reflection on his ability or toughness.

(apologies if this was stated in another post, I didn't have time to read the entire thread.)

They know it but want to pretend otherwise, which pretty much demonstrates how desperate they are to "make their case." Anyone who has seen Danny Amendola play when healthy know he is a much more talented athlete and football player than what he was able to show this season. Amendola, like Welker, is extraordinarily quick and is able to make sharp quick starts and stops and cuts to lose defenders, and everyone who watched him play this season saw a player who could only run straight lines, and those defending him knew it so he basically played the role of decoy all season and took his rare opportunities when they either blew the coverage or just let him outrun them.


The knock on Amendola regarding staying healthy for a full season is a legitimate criticism and concern, and he pretty much has one more season to rebut it. The knock on the patriots for signing him to that deal is premature at best, and idiotic at worst. He has played 20% of the deal they are screaming about, and by any metric that's way too soon to evaluate a player who went out and played despite being severely limited by injury.

 

[RIpats88]

Amendola isnt going anywhere next year. the way his contract is structured, its pretty much guaranteed next year. the pats dont save any money by cutting him.

who knows though, maybe he stays healthy and puts up monster numbers? if he can remain healthy, I think we see more the guy we did in buffalo than in the AFCCG. guy hasnt been able to make quick cuts since he tore his groin.

Lets all remember that Julian Edelman hasnt been exactly a posterboy for durability until this year.

 

[Jackson 2]

I don't think it is fair to criticize Amendola without acknowledging that he played the entire season with a groin injury. This may prove that he is too fragile to be an effective slot receiver over the long haul, but it is not a reflection on his ability or toughness.

(apologies if this was stated in another post, I didn't have time to read the entire thread.)

Thanks for succinctly stating the situation precisely as I see it. Perhaps we're wrong, but I doubt it. I really believe that Amendola is a tough and extremely talented player, but we won't see his full potential unless/until he can stay healthy for an extended period of time. We'll see.

 

[Brady6]

Why people aren't taking the contract into account is beyond me? We can move on after a couple of years. It's not like he made a deal with the devil. One would assume that a guy who cost 3.5m against the cap would have caught more than 4.5 balls per game. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case, likely due to a couple/few different circumstances. One being our ridiculous joke of a WR corps this year. The other being that Edelman received 175 targets from Brady working the short routes that Amendola likely would have been more of a part of. The last one was the injury situation.

The rumors at the time were that Belichick was concerned that he would miss out on both Welker and Amendola, and did not want to take that risk. Amendola was considered to be the next best thing by about everyone.

Julian Edelman had pins in his foot, wasn't drawing any attention from anyone, and had a longterm injury history just the same. I highly doubt that Belichick, or anyone for that matter, felt that Edelman was the longterm answer at the position.

Blame Belichick for letting Welker walk, but I don't think he should be blamed for signing Amendola. We can walk away next year if that's what it comes to. It's not the end of the world.

The investment into a player is a huge part of determining how much value a team has received from that player.

• Would Tavon Wilson held in such low regard if we invested a 7th round pick rather than a 2nd?
• Would Blount be held in such high regard if we traded a 1st or 2nd round pick for him instead of a 7th?

I don’t look at the salary cap because that is business metric I look at the actual investment into a player by this team against what type of value the team received in exchange. In 2013 Danny Amendola earned $8,500,000 in cash paid and in 2014 he will earn another $3,375,000 in cash earned. All totaled that is Kraft and the Patriots paying Amendola $11,875,000 for 2 years of service and when they needed him most didn’t come through.

We as fans will all get passed this and give Amendola a chance in 2014 but the disappointment in Danny right now is merited and how much money we pay him for what he gives us in production is absolutely something to consider.

2013 cash received:

• Rob Gronkowski - $660,000
• Shane Vereen - $508,600
• Stevan Ridley - $643,500
• Aaron Dobson - $1,278,360
• Josh Boyce - $852,000
• Brandon Bolden - $480,000
• James Develin - $480,000
• Kenbrell Thompkins - $407,500
• Julian Edelman - $765,000
• LeGarrette Blount - $680,000
• Michael Hoomanawanui - $630,000
• Matthew Mulligan - $555,000
• Austin Collie - $326,471
• DJ Williams - $65,294

That is the cash received in 2013 for all the WRs/RBs/TEs other than Amendola (and Slater who is STs) their combined cash received was $8,331,725 and Amendola’s was $8,500,000. I know that contracts pay out differently and are positioned certain ways but if you just look at $8.5 mil for Danny and $8.3 mil for everyone else ZERO receptions and 1 drop in the AFC championship game is beyond unacceptable.

 

[Brady6]

Brady6, congratulations. You have only posted 41 times in this thread so far. Remarkable restraint after you hit 60 in the last Amendola thread. The one where you posted this:

Originally Posted by Brady6 View Post
I am moving on; I hope you're right and I am wrong but we will wait and see what happens. I think I hit my quota for Amendola talk for this season though

To be fair, the season is technically over, so I guess it's back to it!

You often make good points, but it really should not have to take you 25,000 words to make them. Try being a little more succinct, especially when you're essentially repeating yourself more often than not.

Yeah, yeah… If I didn’t like you I would be so angry right now that you’ve called me out but oh well, I can’t restrain myself from a good Amendola debate it is the dark chocolate bar to my menstrual cycle…

 

[primetime]

Amendola was second on the team in receptions despite missing 4 games and the better parts of several others with injuries. He played all but one game with an adductor muscle that had torn straight off the bone. He returned to the practice field in 1 week and the active roster in 3 weeks from an injury that takes, on average, 8 weeks to return from.

He had a good game against the Colts and didn't catch a ball against the Broncos. Legarrette Blount, the talk of the town prior to the Denver game, ended with 5 rushes for 6 yards. No one is saying Blount didn't work.

Comparing Amendola's contract to players on their rookie contracts is facile. Compared to other receivers at his price point (Santana Moss, Nate Burleson, etc.), he actually outperformed most of them. His contract is reasonable and will not prevent the Patriots from re-signing Edelman. Both players are perfectly capable of producing with each other on the field - in fact, Edelman's least productive weeks this season came when Amendola was injured.

Much of Brady6's tired, oh-so-tired, argument relies on what he 'sees' while watching the game. I like to imagine he just sits there and watches Amendola on every play and cackles with glee whenever he fails to get open on a play, but I really doubt that's the case. I suspect he starts from a conclusion ("Amendola is overpaid, underperforms") and finds evidence to support his case.

 

[SalemPats]

Amendola was second on the team in receptions despite missing 4 games and the better parts of several others with injuries. He played all but one game with an adductor muscle that had torn straight off the bone. He returned to the practice field in 1 week and the active roster in 3 weeks from an injury that takes, on average, 8 weeks to return from.

He had a good game against the Colts and didn't catch a ball against the Broncos. Legarrette Blount, the talk of the town prior to the Denver game, ended with 5 rushes for 6 yards. No one is saying Blount didn't work.

Comparing Amendola's contract to players on their rookie contracts is facile. Compared to other receivers at his price point (Santana Moss, Nate Burleson, etc.), he actually outperformed most of them. His contract is reasonable and will not prevent the Patriots from re-signing Edelman. Both players are perfectly capable of producing with each other on the field - in fact, Edelman's least productive weeks this season came when Amendola was injured.

Much of Brady6's tired, oh-so-tired, argument relies on what he 'sees' while watching the game. I like to imagine he just sits there and watches Amendola on every play and cackles with glee whenever he fails to get open on a play, but I really doubt that's the case. I suspect he starts from a conclusion ("Amendola is overpaid, underperforms") and finds evidence to support his case.

way to compare Amendola with underachievers like Moss and Burleson. The truth is he had a bad year this year, evidenced by 0 catches in the AFCG. Stop making excuses for him, lets look to upgrade

 

[Huckleberry1]

way to compare Amendola with underachievers like Moss and Burleson. The truth is he had a bad year this year, evidenced by 0 catches in the AFCG. Stop making excuses for him, lets look to upgrade

They should sign Percy Harvin, i'm sure the Seahawks will release him after the huge bust season he had. No way they stick with a guy who didn't have a great season in his first year of his contract.

 

[SalemPats]

They should sign Percy Harvin, i'm sure the Seahawks will release him after the huge bust season he had. No way they stick with a guy who didn't have a great season in his first year of his contract.

What has Amendola done in the past? Yes I thought so.

Did you watch the games? Brady lost trust in him, he was a 5-6 target guy, but only because we had no one else to throw to. Edelman replaced him. Do you think Amendola is a good outside receiver. We know he's not as good as Edelman in the slot. Where's he going to play? Wake up Ivan

 

[Huckleberry1]

What has Amendola done in the past? Yes I thought so.

Did you watch the games? Brady lost trust in him, he was a 5-6 target guy, but only because we had no one else to throw to. Edelman replaced him. Do you think Amendola is a good outside receiver. We know he's not as good as Edelman in the slot. Where's he going to play? Wake up Ivan

You guys just woke me up. Your incredibly compelling arguments to release Amendola have won me over. I say cut his ass and sign Percy Harvin and then trade their defense for Cam newton and sign Micheal Vick as his back-up. then trade Brady to the Texans and sign Clowney and trade Mallett for Josh Gordon and Andre johnson

 

[Huckleberry1]

I can't understand why the SeaHawks have waited so long to cut Harvin. it was obvious by week 4 that he is a lousy athlete who can't get open and can't run for sh.t. they could have saved 60 million by just cutting him in October. Russell wilson clearly doesn't trust him-1 reception for 17 yards, wow, it doesn't suck any more than that. Talk about a rip off.

 

[SalemPats]

You guys just woke me up. Your incredibly compelling arguments to release Amendola have won me over. I say cut his ass and sign Percy Harvin and then trade their defense for Cam newton and sign Micheal Vick as his back-up. then trade Brady to the Texans and sign Clowney and trade Mallett for Josh Gordon and Andre johnson

I take it you haven't watched the games. Edelman is better than Amendola. They both are slot guys. Edelman playing the slot means that Amendola will play on the outside, he's not good enough to be a dangerous weapon there. Not too mention that Brady stopped looking his way on a consistent basis. The guy also had 0 catches.

For your stupid Harvin quote it bears no response, stop throwing dumb stuff out there.

Also what has DA done in the past. We thought with Brady he could be another WW. We were wrong, you can't handle that

 

[Patsrock]

way to compare Amendola with underachievers like Moss and Burleson. The truth is he had a bad year this year, evidenced by 0 catches in the AFCG. Stop making excuses for him, lets look to upgrade

So Pats cut/trade Amendola they are on the hook for a cap hit of $6.8million. Keep him it is a cap hit of $4.5million.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I take it you haven't watched the games. Edelman is better than Amendola. They both are slot guys. Edelman playing the slot means that Amendola will play on the outside, he's not good enough to be a dangerous weapon there. Not too mention that Brady stopped looking his way on a consistent basis. The guy also had 0 catches.

For your stupid Harvin quote it bears no response, stop throwing dumb stuff out there.

Also what has DA done in the past. We thought with Brady he could be another WW. We were wrong, you can't handle that

I am just using the logic and standards you and the other geniuses calling for Amendola's release applied to him for Percy Harvin. Harvin clearly couldn't run like he used to and only caught one ball, so Russell Wilson must have lost confidence in him. Like Amendola he didn't perform up to snuff in the first seasson of his long term deal so they need to cut him.

Hey, they could cut him and sign Edelman, who had over 100 receptions, so he is 100 times as good a player as Harvin is.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The patriots should sign Jonathan Cooper when Arizona releases him. Talk about a bust, they used a high first and they didn't trust him to play a single game this season.

 

[JackBauer]

I take it you haven't watched the games. Edelman is better than Amendola. They both are slot guys. Edelman playing the slot means that Amendola will play on the outside, he's not good enough to be a dangerous weapon there. Not too mention that Brady stopped looking his way on a consistent basis. The guy also had 0 catches.

For your stupid Harvin quote it bears no response, stop throwing dumb stuff out there.

Also what has DA done in the past. We thought with Brady he could be another WW. We were wrong, you can't handle that

Actually, from what we've seen, he is good enough to be a dangerous weapon on the outside. He just can't stay healthy.

Sheesh, are you related to Brady6 or something? There's only so much anti-Amendola inanity one forum can take.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I take it you haven't watched the games. Edelman is better than Amendola.

Nope, I'm like you guys, I just play Madden and read fantasy sites, it gives us a much better perspective.


I realize i was just pimping Harvin but now that i read the stats again i see he actually had 3x as many receptions than i originally gave him credit for, but Kearse is still much better as he had more than 6x as many receptions as Harvin (22), and they play the same position, WR.

They should trade for Kearse and sign Harvin when the Hawks cut him next week. And if they can draft the seaHawks defense they will be all set for next year.

 

[Jackson 2]

So Pats cut/trade Amendola they are on the hook for a cap hit of $6.8million. Keep him it is a cap hit of $4.5million.

Please don't distort the situation with trivial details.