I'll admit i was wrong - Amendola didn't work

[Snake Eyes]

Actually, from what we've seen, he is good enough to be a dangerous weapon on the outside. He just can't stay healthy.

Sheesh, are you related to Brady6 or something? There's only so much anti-Amendola inanity one forum can take.

I actually think there would be less Amendola hatred if he just went on IR after the opening game.

Lloyd was incessantly criticized for going down rather than taking hits yet he played 16 games, everyone lionizes Gronk for not going down and taking hits but his misses a LOT of games.

It's not about production, it's all about chest-beating and ego.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The real problem as i see it with signing Harvin when Seattle releases him is that after the 2013 season he had he will be 32 going into 2014 and 39 going into 2015, and i am not sure they should sign a 40 year old receiver.

it is a head scratcher, that's fer shur.

 

[primetime]

way to compare Amendola with underachievers like Moss and Burleson. The truth is he had a bad year this year, evidenced by 0 catches in the AFCG. Stop making excuses for him, lets look to upgrade

I'm tired of this, but I'll post the players who had a larger or comparable (within a million) cap hit to Amendola this season who are not on rookie contracts.

In bold are the players who outperformed Amendola. Note that I'm not taking injury into consideration, since the Amendola bashers never do either.

Andre Johnson Texans $10,727,918
Larry Fitzgerald Cardinals $10,250,000
Sidney Rice Seahawks $9,700,000
Brandon Marshall Bears $9,300,000
Roddy White Falcons $9,125,000
Santonio Holmes Jets $9,000,000
DeSean Jackson Eagles $9,000,000
Calvin Johnson Lions $8,773,000
Mike Williams Buccaneers $8,334,562
Pierre Garcon Redskins $8,184,375
Reggie Wayne Colts $8,166,666
Anquan Boldin 49ers $6,000,000
Michael Crabtree 49ers $5,770,439
Steve Smith Panthers $5,750,000
Steve Johnson Bills $5,650,000
Nate Washington Titans $5,100,000
Josh Morgan Redskins $5,100,000
Greg Jennings Vikings $5,000,000
Jacoby Jones Ravens $4,900,000
Percy Harvin Seahawks $4,900,000
Lance Moore Saints $4,568,750
Jeremy Maclin Eagles $4,553,000
Eddie Royal Chargers $4,500,000
Marques Colston Saints $4,500,000
Julio Jones Falcons $4,413,750
Wes Welker Broncos $4,150,000
Nate Burleson Lions $4,031,641
Santana Moss Redskins $4,016,668
Dwayne Bowe Chiefs $4,000,000
Jordy Nelson Packers $3,975,000
James Jones Packers $3,750,000
Hakeem Nicks Giants $3,705,000
Miles Austin Cowboys $3,589,400
[Danny Amendola Patriots $3,543,750]
Vincent Jackson Buccaneers $3,272,000
Mike Wallace Dolphins $3,250,000
Antonio Brown Steelers $3,120,000
Delanie Walker Titans $2,950,000
Devin Hester Bears $2,940,858
Mario Manningham 49ers $2,800,000
Jason Avant Eagles $2,710,000
Davone Bess Browns $2,683,334
Malcom Floyd Chargers $2,666,666
Harry Douglas Falcons $2,645,833


Boy that Amendola was so overpaid

 

[Deus Irae]

way to compare Amendola with underachievers like Moss and Burleson. The truth is he had a bad year this year, evidenced by 0 catches in the AFCG. Stop making excuses for him, lets look to upgrade

Let's try this again. I think this is about the 100th time, or so, so I'll try laying it all out, in the hopes that people will stop with the "Cut Amendola" stuff, as if it's a likely possibility.

The Patriots, relatively speaking, are tight to the cap. If they keep Amendola on the team, they get a player who's shown that he can give you at least some production when he's healthy, and they'd have to pay him $3.5m. So, that looks like it might be worth cutting him, right? After all, he certainly didn't produce $3.5m worth last season. Well, here's the problem:

His current cap number for 2014 is $4.7m. However, if the Patriots were to cut/trade him, his bonus' impact on the cap would accelerate, to the tune of $6.8m. That means that cutting, or trading him, would actually cost the Patriots an additional $2.1m against the cap, significantly hamstringing their efforts to improve the team. The earliest the Patriots can currently gain any cap relief by cutting/trading Amendola is the 2015 season.

The result of this is that, while cutting/trading him is not impossible, it's more likely the Patriots would offer a restructured deal, with more guaranteed money, in order to alleviate the cap issue, than it is that they will cut/trade him this offseason. Note that I'm not saying either will happen, but am simply noting the likelihoods of each.

 

[SalemPats]

Let's try this again. I think this is about the 100th time, or so, so I'll try laying it all out, in the hopes that people will stop with the "Cut Amendola" stuff, as if it's a likely possibility.

The Patriots, relatively speaking, are tight to the cap. If they keep Amendola on the team, they get a player who's shown that he can give you at least some production when he's healthy, and they'd have to pay him $3.5m. So, that looks like it might be worth cutting him, right? After all, he certainly didn't produce $3.5m worth last season. Well, here's the problem:

His current cap number for 2014 is $4.7m. However, if the Patriots were to cut/trade him, his bonus' impact on the cap would accelerate, to the tune of $6.8m. That means that cutting, or trading him, would actually cost the Patriots an additional $2.1m against the cap, significantly hamstringing their efforts to improve the team. The earliest the Patriots can currently gain any cap relief by cutting/trading Amendola is the 2015 season.

The result of this is that, while cutting/trading him is not impossible, it's more likely the Patriots would offer a restructured deal, with more guaranteed money, in order to alleviate the cap issue, than it is that they will cut/trade him this offseason. Note that I'm not saying either will happen, but am simply noting the likelihoods of each.

In his last 4 games (including 2 in the playoffs) he had 6 catches and 11 targets. That's not even a #2 or #3 WR. He had 0 targets against the Broncos. That's 0 targets. You know what that means, Brady has no faith in him. That means he's a liability.

And stop hating on Edelman, the guy is awesome

 

[Deus Irae]

In his last 4 games (including 2 in the playoffs) he had 6 catches and 11 targets. That's not even a #2 or #3 WR. He had 0 targets against the Broncos. That's 0 targets. You know what that means, Brady has no faith in him. That means he's a liability.

And stop hating on Edelman, the guy is awesome

1.) I'm not hating on Edelman.

2.) Amendola had 1 target against the Broncos, not 0, if memory serves.

3.) Amendola was injured all season.

4.) AMENDOLA costs $2m+ more to cut than to keep. Even if Brady has no use for him, the Patriots are better off keeping him on the roster and telling him not so show up than they are cutting/trading him in 2014.

I don't know why you chose to ignore the cap implications, unless you're just trolling, but they're there, and they're significant.

 

[SalemPats]

1.) I'm not hating on Edelman.

2.) Amendola had 1 target against the Broncos, not 0, if memory serves.

3.) Amendola was injured all season.

4.) AMENDOLA costs $2m+ more to cut than to keep. Even if Brady has no use for him, the Patriots are better off keeping him on the roster and telling him not so show up than they are cutting/trading him in 2014.

I don't know why you chose to ignore the cap implications, unless you're just trolling, but they're there, and they're significant.

you're right about the cap hit, which is why he will be here. But don't expect anything. He's always injured, the groin and hamstring injury will never heal properly, not to mention that he's injured every other part of his body. The other truth is that Brady doesn't trust him. He's a slot guy or an average outside guy. Edelman replaced him in the slot. Don't really on DA next year, we need to upgrade.

 

[Deus Irae]

way to compare Amendola with underachievers like Moss and Burleson. The truth is he had a bad year this year, evidenced by 0 catches in the AFCG. Stop making excuses for him, lets look to upgrade

you're right about the cap hit, which is why he will be here. But don't expect anything. He's always injured, the groin and hamstring injury will never heal properly, not to mention that he's injured every other part of his body. The other truth is that Brady doesn't trust him. He's a slot guy or an average outside guy. Edelman replaced him in the slot. Don't really on DA next year, we need to upgrade.

:doh: :bricks:

 

[Brady6]

Much of Brady6's tired, oh-so-tired, argument relies on what he 'sees' while watching the game. I like to imagine he just sits there and watches Amendola on every play and cackles with glee whenever he fails to get open on a play, but I really doubt that's the case. I suspect he starts from a conclusion ("Amendola is overpaid, underperforms") and finds evidence to support his case.

I agree my argument is oh-so-tired but that is mainly because it appears to be oh-so-hard-to-understand for you and the rest of the Joe Carroll followers, oh sorry I meant Danny Amendola followers.

• I never said Amendola performed poorly as I have said multiple times Amendola actually had a season completely on par with the rest of his NFL career and he actually improved in key metrics such as average yards per catch.
• Amendola is overpaid just like the other players you named in your post and many others in the NFL. I am not sure why being overpaid is viewed as a negative in terms of how it pertains to Amendola, the team is the one that paid him and I was not expecting Danny to raise his hand and yell “I am not worth that much”. Danny was the beneficiary of the Patriots needing to fill the gaping hole left by Welker and a poor free agent market for WRs, end of story.
• I am not negative about Amendola I am realistic and unwilling to place the blame for his shortcomings on a groin injury suffered in week 1 of the regular season.
• The negativity around Amendola is the result of you and the other fans and posters who set this ridiculous expectations that he would be as good or even better than Welker, and the negativity with continue to surround him in 2014 because once again you and the rest of the followers are preaching are setting an expectation that he will be as good or better than Welker in 2014.
• If you all had never set such ridiculous expectations and allowed Amendola to be what he was a free agent acquisition that we overpaid for but didn’t have much of any option because Welker was leaving and we were unsure about Edelman’s capabilities coupled with us needing to fill the slot position with a player who was capable obviously not going to replace Welker but would be a weapon teams had to prepare for in the slot, work hard and give us 60-70 catches and 700-800 yards of production – nobody would be bashing Amendola right now but anytime a bunch of wishful thinking overly hopeful fans and mediots go viral with their uneducated and baseless beliefs as much as they did with Amendola situation perception becomes reality and when the outcome doesn’t come into fruition the player catches the slack for it.
• If you want people to stop being negative about Amendola you and the rest of the following should own the fact that you set the expectations way out whack based on nothing other than your false hope and that Amendola did exactly what he has always done and it was your(s) fault for not doing any research or educating yourself(s) at all before throwing a bunch of expectations at the wall like paint and hoping they stick. You(s) are not doing that though you’re passing the buck on your(s) foolish and unrealistic expectations not being reach onto a groin injury and once again setting your(s) man Danny Amendola up for a 2014 season filled with negativity and disappointment.

Don’t put me on blast especially when you have zero evidence to support anything and you just keep spinning **** hoping it comes through. What you think could happen doesn’t matter the best way to determine an outcome is to look at historical data and historically Danny Amendola is entering his 7th season as a pro and has consistently been in the 633-689 yard range. You have presented NO evidence to support a change in that is immediate every single thing you say in here about Amendola is based solely on hope that you wrap up in an aggressive and “oh so sure of yourself” sentence with some ridiculous assertion that I am anti Amendola to attempt to discredit the facts and data I present in my posts by implying that this is a witch hunt on my behalf.

I am not anti Amendola I am anti posters who try and make other people sound like a villain in order to add some credibility to their weak argument.

 

[Brady6]

Actually, from what we've seen, he is good enough to be a dangerous weapon on the outside. He just can't stay healthy.

Sheesh, are you related to Brady6 or something? There's only so much anti-Amendola inanity one forum can take.

You should read my posts I actually say very little negative about Amendola or his performance my negativity is about the baseless and unrealistic expectations people set for him and are attempting to do once again in 2014 by passing the buck for him only hitting his career average for production in 2013 onto a week 1 groin injury.

 

[primetime]

Do you think you could make an argument without posting 20 500-word wall of text essays full of run-on sentences each hour? People may actually read and respect your opinions then.

I'm just saying this because I may or may not agree with what you're writing, but I can't get through the first couple of sentences without giving up.

 

[Brady6]

I actually think there would be less Amendola hatred if he just went on IR after the opening game.

Lloyd was incessantly criticized for going down rather than taking hits yet he played 16 games, everyone lionizes Gronk for not going down and taking hits but his misses a LOT of games.

It's not about production, it's all about chest-beating and ego.

I don’t think so I think that he would of got a lot more for being the first player to go on injured reserve in week 1 of the season due to a groin injury with a 2-6 week recovery timetable.

Amendola would have taken less hatred and if people didn’t suggest a player that entered the NFL in 2008 as an UDFA and had never exceeded 689 receiving yards was going to catch 120 footballs and gain 1200 yards to make us all forget about Wes Welker.

Do me favor go through 2014 WR UFA list take those players production in 2013 and then times it by 2 then take those numbers open a thread up and say we should sign this guy he will have these stats when we pair him with Brady and also be sure to say that they’re going to replace one of the greatest wide receivers ever to play for the Patriots and one the best of his era. Then when that receiver fails to meet those expectations blame it on his week 1 injury.

 

[Brady6]

Do you think you could make an argument without posting 20 500-word wall of text essays full of run-on sentences each hour? People may actually read and respect your opinions then.

I'm just saying this because I may or may not agree with what you're writing, but I can't get through the first couple of sentences without giving up.

Queue the belittling of my post in order to disguise your weak argument. Do you really think people can’t see through you and see that you hope what you say comes through but it is all based on NOTHING? I can see it, you’re predicable as the day is long. Why don’t you try responding with something that actually supports your opinion instead of just trying to discredit me with your bold but baseless comments?

For the record my post had a Flesch–Kincaid Grade Level of 22.1 - I can dumb it down if you’d like in the future…

 

[Patsrock]

I don’t think so I think that he would of got a lot more for being the first player to go on injured reserve in week 1 of the season due to a groin injury with a 2-6 week recovery timetable.

Amendola would have taken less hatred and if people didn’t suggest a player that entered the NFL in 2008 as an UDFA and had never exceeded 689 receiving yards was going to catch 120 footballs and gain 1200 yards to make us all forget about Wes Welker.

Do me favor go through 2014 WR UFA list take those players production in 2013 and then times it by 2 then take those numbers open a thread up and say we should sign this guy he will have these stats when we pair him with Brady and also be sure to say that they’re going to replace one of the greatest wide receivers ever to play for the Patriots and one the best of his era. Then when that receiver fails to meet those expectations blame it on his week 1 injury.

I have said this before who gives a rats ass on what fans/media have to say. Did the Patriots ever once say that Amendola was a Welker replacement? You keep harping on people for saying the injury has something to do with his production. Just like you say those people are wrong, you damn well could be wrong also. Honestly you should probably take your own advice from last week and refrain from Amendola talks. It has become a broken record with you. You don't have to chime in on every single Amendola post. We get it, you think he is overpaid.

 

[Brady6]

I have said this before who gives a rats ass on what fans/media have to say. Did the Patriots ever once say that Amendola was a Welker replacement? You keep harping on people for saying the injury has something to do with his production. Just like you say those people are wrong, you damn well could be wrong also. Honestly you should probably take your own advice from last week and refrain from Amendola talks. It has become a broken record with you. You don't have to chime in on every single Amendola post. We get it, you think he is overpaid.

I only chime in when people quote my posts or when people go out of their way to type “brady6” into one of their posts. That actually is not chiming in that is actually responding to someone who mentioned you.

You don’t get it; if you did you and the others would not have an issue with what I am saying because it is accurate, the fact that you all keep debating it or attempting to discredit implies that you cannot comprehend the reality which I am attempting to show you. Stop saying his is not overpaid, he is; anytime someone else does a job for $750K (Edelman) better than you and you’re making $5,700,000 million and you’re both on your second contract, playing on the same team, with the same QB and you’ve been given the same opportunity you’re overpaid that is just reality, blame it on a groin injury, the dog eating his playbook whatever you want but in 2013 Amendola was overpaid as was many other players on the Patriots who were paid to render services and for whatever reason were unable to do so.

 

[Patsrock]

I only chime in when people quote my posts or when people go out of their way to type “brady6” into one of their posts. That actually is not chiming in that is actually responding to someone who mentioned you.

You don’t get it; if you did you and the others would not have an issue with what I am saying because it is accurate, the fact that you all keep debating it or attempting to discredit implies that you cannot comprehend the reality which I am attempting to show you. Stop saying his is not overpaid, he is; anytime someone else does a job for $750K (Edelman) better than you and you’re making $5,700,000 million and you’re both on your second contract, playing on the same team, with the same QB and you’ve been given the same opportunity you’re overpaid that is just reality, blame it on a groin injury, the dog eating his playbook whatever you want but in 2013 Amendola was overpaid as was many other players on the Patriots who were paid to render services and for whatever reason were unable to do so.

You need to learn between fact and opinion. You have been stating your opinion. Do you know what the Patriots expected out of Amendola? Do you know for a fact that his groin was not still injured?

 

[primetime]

Queue the belittling of my post in order to disguise your weak argument. Do you really think people can’t see through you and see that you hope what you say comes through but it is all based on NOTHING? I can see it, you’re predicable as the day is long. Why don’t you try responding with something that actually supports your opinion instead of just trying to discredit me with your bold but baseless comments?

For the record my post had a Flesch–Kincaid Grade Level of 22.1 - I can dumb it down if you’d like in the future…

At no point did I, and probably not anyone rational, say they expected him to be equal to or better than Wes Welker. Welker is one of the most productive slot receivers in league history - and he was (and is) woefully underpaid relative to his production his entire career, rendering that line of argument moot.

The issue with your argument is the connection that you then make, taking his production and saying he's overpaid. Yet if you look at cap hits, if he is overpaid then so is just about every veteran receiver in the NFL. When presented with this fact, you instead point out that all of them are overpaid as well... that argument simply doesn't follow. Given his production relative to those other players paid comparably or more, one would say his cap hit is right in line with his production, which was over 50 catches in a season where he played injured. A player certainly does not need to be a superstar to justify a $3.5m cap hit.

Your reaction to these two arguments is to handwave it away then continue harping on the tired points you make over and over in machine-gun, wall of text, run-on sentence style... and then throw in some random assertion about replacing Wes Welker's value that I certainly never made and I suspect no one else did either.

And judging Amendola based on the AFCCG is just silly. Blount had 6 yards in that game. Chandler Jones was stonewalled all day. Should we just assume those guys weren't worth it? Heck, the Patriots spent a first round pick on Jones - what a waste. And earlier this season, between the Miami and Pittsburgh games in back-to-back weeks, Edelman had 3 catches for 17 yards total. Don't even think about re-signing that guy.

 

[Deus Irae]

At no point did I, and probably not anyone rational, say they expected him to be equal to or better than Wes Welker. Welker is one of the most productive slot receivers in league history - and he was (and is) woefully underpaid relative to his production his entire career, rendering that line of argument moot...

Top be fair, while you may not have made that sort of claim, there were others that did.

 

[Zeus]

the fact that you all keep debating it or attempting to discredit implies that you cannot comprehend the reality which I am attempting to show you.

Wow. Really?

 

[primetime]

The "Amendola is overpaid" line of reasoning strikes me as a lot like what people say about contracts in the NBA. People look at an above average player getting $10m as overpaid, but when it comes down to it, you have to pay veterans at some point.

Amendola's production-to-cap value was pretty good this year in comparison to most non-rookie contract players, especially given the circumstances. It wasn't Edelman or even Welker like, but the first was a revelation and the latter was and always has been underpaid. Given that there were slot receivers like Santana Moss taking up a substantially larger portion of the cap than Amendola, it's hard to say Amendola was overpaid, and this is simply looking at production and not even taking into account his injury.

I'm on the record as saying I wanted both Welker and Amendola last year, and the Patriots could have afforded it. But Welker didn't want to play for New England (and, given that the Patriots would not give him a contract last season, I could not really blame him). Instead, they got Amendola for a reasonable contract and Edelman replaced Welker's production. It worked out for the most part, with the only hitch being that Edelman is now a UFA.

They needed Dobson to emerge more than he did, and they really needed Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez... none of that is on Amendola, though.