If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[Patriot Missile]

I acknowledge that's what the hive is saying.

I already said he's not a two way player in the NFL. No one is.

Yet…..

Not saying he is or isn’t but I don’t think we’ve seen a prospect this unique since Bo Jackson and Dion Sanders. The difference is it’s not multiple sports but someone who is playing multiple positions in the same sport like a freak. As great as Sanders was as Corner and returner, he was below average at best as a wr with the Cowboys when given opportunities. Hunter has good film right out of college that he can play both cb and wr.

However, as good as it sounds, does anyone think this player is going to play out his rookie contract if he becomes a sensation? If he succeeds at both positions what does that do for contract negotiations? As far as I know, there is no max on a salary and if Dion truly is his mentor, I’m pretty sure loyalty to an NFL slave owner is not tops on his list of priorities to his protege. Coming from the ultimate mercenary himself.

I say go for it, enjoy the ride and hope for the best if he’s available. But there are things to consider if they do draft him. Amazing talent and should be electric to watch if they land him. But I’m very cautious of his long term status here.

 

[festy1986]

Yet…..

Not saying he is or isn’t but I don’t think we’ve seen a prospect this unique since Bo Jackson and Dion Sanders. The difference is it’s not multiple sports but someone who is playing multiple positions in the same sport like a freak. As great as Sanders was as Corner and returner, he was below average at best as a wr with the Cowboys when given opportunities. Hunter has good film right out of college that he can play both cb and wr.

However, as good as it sounds, does anyone think this player is going to play out his rookie contract if he becomes a sensation? If he succeeds at both positions what does that do for contract negotiations? As far as I know, there is no max on a salary and if Dion truly is his mentor, I’m pretty sure loyalty to an NFL slave owner is not tops on his list of priorities to his protege. Coming from the ultimate mercenary himself.

I say go for it, enjoy the ride and hope for the best if he’s available. But there are things to consider if they do draft him. Amazing talent and should be electric to watch if they land him. But I’m very cautious of his long term status here.

I don't really have a dog in the fight to be honest. But I would prefer to trade the pic to someone who's already in the top 10 and get a first, a second and probably another second or third over Travis Hunter.

Especially with this coach and staff and GM

 

[Huckleberry1]

Right but that's not what I said. I said "pick 3 to pick 7. And getting a first and a second for your troubles"

So you are traded a first round pick and a second pick just to swap from pick 3 to pick 7.

We're not simply swapping first round picks and getting a second round pick out of it. Not worth the trouble.

They're not trading the pick anyway, I was simply saying that it would take a first and a second just get the conversation going.

As for SOS. Tankathon already has buffalo and the chargers accounted for in the SOS you see on their site. It's not going to skyrocket after they play them.

No problem, I think it’s just miscommunication, which is why I asked for a clarification.

The part about Tankathon is really interesting. I didn’t realize they projected schedules.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yet…..

Not saying he is or isn’t but I don’t think we’ve seen a prospect this unique since Bo Jackson and Dion Sanders. The difference is it’s not multiple sports but someone who is playing multiple positions in the same sport like a freak. As great as Sanders was as Corner and returner, he was below average at best as a wr with the Cowboys when given opportunities. Hunter has good film right out of college that he can play both cb and wr.

However, as good as it sounds, does anyone think this player is going to play out his rookie contract if he becomes a sensation? If he succeeds at both positions what does that do for contract negotiations? As far as I know, there is no max on a salary and if Dion truly is his mentor, I’m pretty sure loyalty to an NFL slave owner is not tops on his list of priorities to his protege. Coming from the ultimate mercenary himself.

I say go for it, enjoy the ride and hope for the best if he’s available. But there are things to consider if they do draft him. Amazing talent and should be electric to watch if they land him. But I’m very cautious of his long term status here.

I agree with this Tackle is still a huge priority so take Hunter if you can, then trade back up into the first for Simmons or Ersery, which should be easier than usual as many teams are going to look to trade back in a class with a weak first round. How Wolf manages this free agency and draft will provide a much better take on his abilities as a GM.

 

[lancerman]

It would be stupid in general to got tackle if we are in the top 10. There just isn't anybody there.

It's a Hunter, a WR like Tet, or a passrusher with the first pick. Those are the options.

 

[Tunescribe]

So you acknowledge that Hunter is a generational talent, but your preference is to trade back for less quality players because you want to draft position over talent?

Travis Hunter -- the shiny new toy every draft dweeb wants. If the Patriots front office has half a brain they'll trade down and accumulate as many high-round picks as possible to begin plugging holes in a roster virtually bereft of talent.

 

[Huckleberry1]

One problem with getting the 3 pick is that Buffalo could be locked into the 2 spot and sit Josh Allen and everyone else.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

Travis Hunter -- the shiny new toy every draft dweeb wants. If the Patriots front office has half a brain they'll trade down and accumulate as many high-round picks as possible to begin plugging holes in a roster virtually bereft of talent.

I mean either of those scenarios are wins. Unless they act stupid and reach on a guy like Campbell at 3.

The best athlete in the draft or a handful of high picks to fill in your many many holes.

 

[Rob0729]

If this is true, the Pats should trade the pick. If Hunter intends to play CB at the NFL level, he is a luxury pick the Pats can’t afford to make. Either that and draft Hunter and trade Gonzalez. But that would be dumb because Gonzalez is now a proven commodity.

 

[KCSVEN]

Dude can sky, Special athlete. I'm getting to the point I trade up for Hunter if I have to LOL, not LOL!

 

[Huckleberry1]

If this is true, the Pats should trade the pick. If Hunter intends to play CB at the NFL level, he is a luxury pick the Pats can’t afford to make. Either that and draft Hunter and trade Gonzalez. But that would be dumb because Gonzalez is now a proven commodity.

Disagree. You take the guy with All Pro potential, and you have the best young secondary in the league. Then you package picks to go back up and get a tackle in the 2nd half of the first round. You can then use both Hunter and Marcus Jones splitting time on passing downs.

 

[mgteich]

If this is true, the Pats should trade the pick. If Hunter intends to play CB at the NFL level, he is a luxury pick the Pats can’t afford to make. Either that and draft Hunter and trade Gonzalez. But that would be dumb because Gonzalez is now a proven commodity.

If Hunter chooses to work out as a corner in the combine, I think that he would be a really awesome addition to play opposite Gonzo.

We should be signing 2 OT's, a S and 2 WR's in free agency.

It is NOT at all clear that CB would be a luxury pick, presuming the CB is BPA, ditto for EDGE rusher and DT.
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The top 8 BPA's at the time we drafted in the 2nd in 2024 (plus the questionable WR's McConkey and Polk) were 4 DT's and 4 CB's. On the board that I was looking at, a CB was listed as BPA (DeJean Cooper I think). The draft is crapshoot. We greatly increase our odds of success if we choose the BPA (unless of course if he is a misfit to our systems or if we have ZERO need (for example QB this year). Sure, we should be better by picking one of the WR's. We had much better chances to improve if we chose a higher rate CB or CB.

The draft is about the future. The result is that in 2024, two of our top needs will likely be a CB and a DT.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

we are so thin on talent there are no luxury picks. everything is a need except qb.

 

[Grogan14]

One problem with getting the 3 pick is that Buffalo could be locked into the 2 spot and sit Josh Allen and everyone else.

I think that is very likely

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Hunter chooses to work out as a corner in the combine, I think that he would be a really awesome addition to play opposite Gonzo.

We should be signing 2 OT's, a S and 2 WR's in free agency.

It is NOT at all clear that CB would be a luxury pick, presuming the CB is BPA, ditto for EDGE rusher and DT.

You don’t pass on special players, they are the playmakers that win you the big games. Guys like Aaron Donald, Ed Reed, Randy Moss and others got passed over for needs, and every team that passed on them lived to regret it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Hunter chooses to work out as a corner in the combine, I think that he would be a really awesome addition to play opposite Gonzo.

We should be signing 2 OT's, a S and 2 WR's in free agency.

It is NOT at all clear that CB would be a luxury pick, presuming the CB is BPA, ditto for EDGE rusher and DT.
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The top 8 BPA's at the time we drafted in the 2nd in 2024 (plus the questionable WR's McConkey and Polk) were 4 DT's and 4 CB's. On the board that I was looking at, a CB was listed as BPA (DeJean Cooper I think). The draft is crapshoot. We greatly increase our odds of success if we choose the BPA (unless of course if he is a misfit to our systems or if we have ZERO need (for example QB this year). Sure, we should be better by picking one of the WR's. We had much better chances to improve if we chose a higher rate CB or CB.

The draft is about the future. The result is that in 2024, two of our top needs will likely be a CB and a DT.

I know he’s having a down year, but that’s a good time to sign him. Imagine a secondary of Gonzalez, Duggars, Javon Holland, Marcus Jones in the slot, and Travis Hunter? You would have the best secondary in football for years to come. Then you package your 2nd and 3rd to move back up into the first for Ersery or Simmons.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

One problem with getting the 3 pick is that Buffalo could be locked into the 2 spot and sit Josh Allen and everyone else.

We'd get smoked by their third stringers too i think

 

[mgteich]

I know he’s having a down year, but that’s a good time to sign him. Imagine a secondary of Gonzalez, Duggars, Javon Holland, Marcus Jones in the slot, and Travis Hunter? You would have the best secondary in football for years to come. Then you package your 2nd and 3rd to move back up into the first for Ersery or Simmons.

I'm all in to sign Holland and to draft Hunter to play corner.

 

[Rob0729]

Disagree. You take the guy with All Pro potential, and you have the best young secondary in the league. Then you package picks to go back up and get a tackle in the 2nd half of the first round. You can then use both Hunter and Marcus Jones splitting time on passing downs.

You don’t need an All Pro CB at #2 CB. In fact, it is a waste of talent. Do you need a Champ Bailey talent to cover a WR like Bourne or Boutte? Most teams have #2 WRs that do not need elite talent to cover.


If the Pats draft a CB with the third overall pick rather than addressing a real need, the only upside will be the Pats will be drafting in the top 5-10 in 2026 and possibly 2027 to get the OT, W, and pass rusher they need.

If the Pats draft Hunter, they are planning a long rebuild. Maybe like 3-5 years. They are not interested in a quick rebuild. They trying to amass talent and not trying to address needs and build a team. That is the long way to build a contender.

 

[Rob0729]

If Hunter chooses to work out as a corner in the combine, I think that he would be a really awesome addition to play opposite Gonzo.

We should be signing 2 OT's, a S and 2 WR's in free agency.

It is NOT at all clear that CB would be a luxury pick, presuming the CB is BPA, ditto for EDGE rusher and DT.
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The top 8 BPA's at the time we drafted in the 2nd in 2024 (plus the questionable WR's McConkey and Polk) were 4 DT's and 4 CB's. On the board that I was looking at, a CB was listed as BPA (DeJean Cooper I think). The draft is crapshoot. We greatly increase our odds of success if we choose the BPA (unless of course if he is a misfit to our systems or if we have ZERO need (for example QB this year). Sure, we should be better by picking one of the WR's. We had much better chances to improve if we chose a higher rate CB or CB.

The draft is about the future. The result is that in 2024, two of our top needs will likely be a CB and a DT.

And having a Lamborghini is awesome addition to be your second car. But if you need to a car to get to and from work but also need the car to do grocery shopping and transport large items, you are basically screwed.

And drafting a CB in the top 3 is a luxury pick. Drafting one in the second round isn’t.