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The same numbers as the next lottery drawing for Powerball as such predictions have about the same chance of coming true. Every situation is different and should be treated as such.
Really, you wouldn't want to see some growth from the year before, or at least similar numbers? What year QB should we say 4 TD's to 7 INT's is an ok stat line 10 games into the season?
Interesting definition of production defense you have. I've been pretty clear that Jones is NOT playing well, but what I don't defend is the concept that there is a predictable 'from draft to the field' map for each and every player.
On Thanksgiving we should all be grateful that Mac is not Josh Rosen, Zack Wilson, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf or any of the other first round QB's that completely flamed out in the NFL. While the results have not been great he has demonstrated resilience and has the respect of the team. I don't know if Mac is the answer, I do know that teams that don't invest in developing their QBs or expect their QBs to single handedly save the franchise spend year after year frustrating their fans.
I was very skeptical of the low ceiling, high floor arguments many of the media put out there last year. Right now, Mac is living up to that billing, except defenses have him figured out to an extent and he's not adapting.
First of all, you COMPLETELY misstated the intent of my post in order to facilitate you own VERY angry negative narrative.
Spot on! If a Teams O line is in disarray like ours you see offensive showings like we have put out.. the offensive line is the main problem, make has no time to step up into throws, what should happen going forward is allowing Mac to use his legs to make plays.. he's a better athlete than he gets credit for..
Also, I can imagine that this experience behind a challenged O-line will help him in the long run. His decision-making ability has no choice but to speed up. Granted right now he isn't up to the task mentally to deal with such quick pressure, but I can't imagine how this will not pay dividends going forward for future games/seasons. I like that he has already made adjustments to the quick pressure, especially his decisions to not throw potential interceptions. I think the coaching staff must have beat that through after the Chicago game and convinced him that the defense is the strength of the team and if you keep turning the ball over you will sit on the sidelines. I'm looking for baby steps and steady improvement until January. Once they are in the tournament at the end of the year, all bets are off, anything can happen.
Very true, however the team did not aid by by changing the offense. Bringing in non offensive minded coaches. That along with the line play had regressed Mac. Mac had had structural offensive scheme since college. This season has just been weird.. don't know what to expect from game to game.. however no matter however it turns out if the offense can show a pulse and Mac can have games similar like last week 250- 280 yards, hopefully 1,2 touchdowns, high completion % then it would really inspire optimism
Oh no doubt the time was lower than average but this league is about making the tough plays Ken. Everyone, no matter how great, has their limits but you're drafted at 15 to make those plays. Expectation talk about Mac shouldn't be off limits and we're talking about 6 sacks!my immediate response is to go back to what Bedard said. In his column he pointed out there was only ONE sack where Mac had more than 3 seconds before he was hit. The rest ranged from 2.0 to 2.7. His thought was on two of them Mac had a RB open quickly but passed that up to go down field. The rest be pretty much had no chance. He thought (and I agree) that the entire operation looked bad. Too often receivers had their heads still upfield when the QB was ready to throw the ball. In other words SOMETIMES they were uncoordinated
Sounds like you are nitpicking, BUT now I'll go and check out your link. (THANK you very much for giving that to us), and come back at some point with an apology or an "I told you so".
First of all, this is a Patriots forum, not a Colts forum. We don't give out prizes for 'participation trophies'. You can't expect the fans following a team that has won 6 championships over the past 20 years to have the same low standards as a Colts fan or worse a Jets fan.
Oh no doubt the time was lower than average but this league is about making the tough plays Ken. Everyone, no matter how great, has their limits but you're drafted at 15 to make those plays. Expectation talk about Mac shouldn't be off limits and we're talking about 6 sacks!
"Nitpicking" wouldn't be the word I'd use considering how much the QB has to do with identification, handling pressure and being in the moment. We all know good QB's will make their lines better. Nothing is black and white and I'm not saying most of these are 100% on Mac but I absolutely believe he has some blame. Which again isn't nitpicking, it's actually paying attention to details.
So many are focused solely on whether it's Mac, the OL, Matty P. When there's other details that matter a lot! I'm not solely putting 100% on Mac but what about his overall pocket presence and feel for the rush? Footwork, union between the upper and lower half. You know it won't get easier when you play the best teams so those things are important. I mean youre a former coach. How many times have you walked off a field and said "i got nothing for you guys, youre all great" No, everyone could step there game up here, win or lose. No one is beyond criticism when you're a bottom 5 - 10 offense brother.
This is a good example of what i mean from above. This obviously isnt solely on Mac but he just isn't helping himself here either. Working himself right into harms way. 3rd and long, you have to feel that and he has Rham as a safety net. Tough play but when you're 2nd in sack %, take less sacks if you can avoid it.
Also this is why I hate the two hand approach with tackles. Cancels your reach and length and too often leaves you off-balance. It's a nice card to play when the time calls for it and you can really level someone but few and far between.
Bryce Huff secures Jets' fifth sack of game on Mac Jones
New York Jets defensive end Bryce Huff secures Jets' fifth sack of game on New England Patriots quarterback Mac Jones.www.nfl.com
I'll admit I'm being a bit of a hypocrite here bc I hate screenshots. So ill admit im a dirty rotten loser. The context just isn't there most of the time but sometimes they do some justice.
Saf hips are going up field, design directly or indirectly clears a lane. Tough play but this ball could be fired in there to Henry or chucked to flat.
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Things take time to develop but he's too slow back there. That ball should coming into 85 chest or thrown away. Every single week I'm seeing that pass thrown before the target is fully around. Tough play but again this league is about making the tough plays.
Another one here. Tough play but my goodness there's no feel at all until its too late. It's 2023 and I keep hearing about the athlete Mac is but there's nothing quick about him back there. He can pick up some yards on occasion but there's 0 quick twitch in those feet.
This was a good tendency breaker by NY. They dont blitz much and are very effective rushing 4 but that doesnt excuse the lack of awareness here. Something that's been plaguing him for a while now - second level pressure. Definitely some confusion - screen or fake screen but again doesn't excuse the lack of awareness. This is supposed to be an area of strength. Idk everything presnap says he might be coming and 37 kicking out just multiples that.
It's certainly not all on Mac Ken but he there are more than a few areas that need real improvement going forward.
Standard?
You might want to check the win/loss record comparison of the two seasons...under your definition a huge step is...the exact same record at this point in the year to the last.
No signs at all across the entirety of the offense? Probably should release Rham tomorrow then - let him hook up with a team more worthy of his non-improvement. Same with Meyers. While some have regressed, like definitely Mac Jones, others haven't - it's just way easier to paint with the wider brushstroke.
Oh no doubt the time was lower than average but this league is about making the tough plays Ken. Everyone, no matter how great, has their limits but you're drafted at 15 to make those plays. Expectation talk about Mac shouldn't be off limits and we're talking about 6 sacks!
"Nitpicking" wouldn't be the word I'd use considering how much the QB has to do with identification, handling pressure and being in the moment. We all know good QB's will make their lines better. Nothing is black and white and I'm not saying most of these are 100% on Mac but I absolutely believe he has some blame. Which again isn't nitpicking, it's actually paying attention to details.
So many are focused solely on whether it's Mac, the OL, Matty P. When there's other details that matter a lot! I'm not solely putting 100% on Mac but what about his overall pocket presence and feel for the rush? Footwork, union between the upper and lower half. You know it won't get easier when you play the best teams so those things are important. I mean youre a former coach. How many times have you walked off a field and said "i got nothing for you guys, youre all great" No, everyone could step there game up here, win or lose. No one is beyond criticism when you're a bottom 5 - 10 offense brother.
This is a good example of what i mean from above. This obviously isnt solely on Mac but he just isn't helping himself here either. Working himself right into harms way. 3rd and long, you have to feel that and he has Rham as a safety net. Tough play but when you're 2nd in sack %, take less sacks if you can avoid it.
Also this is why I hate the two hand approach with tackles. Cancels your reach and length and too often leaves you off-balance. It's a nice card to play when the time calls for it and you can really level someone but few and far between.Bryce Huff secures Jets' fifth sack of game on Mac Jones
New York Jets defensive end Bryce Huff secures Jets' fifth sack of game on New England Patriots quarterback Mac Jones.
I'll admit I'm being a bit of a hypocrite here bc I hate screenshots. So ill admit im a dirty rotten loser. The context just isn't there most of the time but sometimes they do some justice.
Saf hips are going up field, design directly or indirectly clears a lane. Tough play but this ball could be fired in there to Henry or chucked to flat.
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Things take time to develop but he's too slow back there. That ball should coming into 85 chest or thrown away. Every single week I'm seeing that pass thrown before the target is fully around. Tough play but again this league is about making the tough plays.
Another one here. Tough play but my goodness there's no feel at all until its too late. It's 2023 and I keep hearing about the athlete Mac is but there's nothing quick about him back there. He can pick up some yards on occasion but there's 0 quick twitch in those feet.
This was a good tendency breaker by NY. They dont blitz much and are very effective rushing 4 but that doesnt excuse the lack of awareness here. Something that's been plaguing him for a while now - second level pressure. Definitely some confusion - screen or fake screen but again doesn't excuse the lack of awareness. This is supposed to be an area of strength. Idk everything presnap says he might be coming and 37 kicking out just multiples that.
It's certainly not all on Mac Ken but he there are more than a few areas that need real improvement going forward.
No one said he should be off limits. He's a 2nd year QB who SHOULD be at a better place than what he is, given what a good year he had as a rookie. It surely has been disappointing. But there are a NUMBER of reasons beyond his personal responsibilities. The changes in the offensive system itself, the obvious coaching changes, the OL injuries, and the loss of White and Montgomery.
Nitpicking was a term I used to describe VIC's shoddy analysis, because NOTHING Mac will every do will be enough for several posters on this board. Because you at least try and document your opinions differentiates yourself from them
Your right about how you view coaching football because in coaching it is NEVER about how good the individual athletes are that you are coaching, it is your sacred RESPONSIBILITY to make them better. I had 4 guys I coached make it to the NFL, and I've had a lot more kids who couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. Didn't matter. It was your job, regardless of where they started from, to make them better by the end of the year.
I have NEVER said that Mac should be absolved of all of these sacks, and worse yet the 48 yds lost. BUT it is way too easy to second guess decisions with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight. Because if he HAD thrown the ball immediately out to the flat here, there would be those who would counter that he SHOULD have thrown it down field.This is a good example of what i mean from above. This obviously isnt solely on Mac but he just isn't helping himself here either. Working himself right into harms way. 3rd and long, you have to feel that and he has Rham as a safety net. Tough play but when you're 2nd in sack %, take less sacks if you can avoid it.
Also this is why I hate the two hand approach with tackles. Cancels your reach and length and too often leaves you off-balance. It's a nice card to play when the time calls for it and you can really level someone but few and far between.Bryce Huff secures Jets' fifth sack of game on Mac Jones
New York Jets defensive end Bryce Huff secures Jets' fifth sack of game on New England Patriots quarterback Mac Jones.
I'll admit I'm being a bit of a hypocrite here bc I hate screenshots. So ill admit im a dirty rotten loser. The context just isn't there most of the time but sometimes they do some justice.
Saf hips are going up field, design directly or indirectly clears a lane. Tough play but this ball could be fired in there to Henry or chucked to flat.
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Things take time to develop but he's too slow back there. That ball should coming into 85 chest or thrown away. Every single week I'm seeing that pass thrown before the target is fully around. Tough play but again this league is about making the tough plays.
