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  1. PatsDeb

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    LOL, I don't think that is worth much, particularly around here. In any event, I am glad we won the game and are not stuck with "the refs screwed us!" as our off-season mantra.
     
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  2. Ring 6

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    I do not think that is correct but I am not certain.
     
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    Even run the ball
     
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    SacPete1 On the Game Day Roster

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    Fair enough brotha. We'll end it there and I look forward to reading your posts as I always do.
     
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  5. patchick

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    oh dear, quoting myself...:oops:

    Just thought of a little mental exercise: Which of the Pats' front 7 defenders last night would be starters on the Jaguars? (Keep in mind that Dareus and Fowler come off the bench for them.)
     
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  6. bormio

    bormio In the Starting Line-Up

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    You realize that has also been said before about Amendola.
     
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  7. maineman209

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    Interesting analysis (Twitter thread) here from Warren Sharp of the Jags' play-calling and clock-management in Q4 vis-a-vis his own analysis of their 2016 season. Also touches on the Pats using 11 personnel.

     
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    p8ryts 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Regardless of the statistics. I thought the OL did a good job!
     
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    Lewis' ass is on the ground with the ball trapped against his hip. How is that not possession?
     
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    SlowGettingUp Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    This is what footballzebras thinks too. Lewis had possession, then lost it and did not regain control and therefor possession before he was down.

    Actually the more interesting feature of that play call was whether the guy that stripped the ball should have been called down by contact even though he wasn't in fact touched. Here again zebras thinks he was correctly called down by contact because he took the ball from Lewis's hands - that constitutes a "touch."
     
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    That's if you're a receiver, not a runner.

    Ground can't cause a fumble if another part of the runner is touched down (knee, ass, elbow, whatever.)
     
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    Ground can't cause fumble when a touched player hits the ground with possession. Which Lewis didn't have.
     
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    That was brutal. And very thorough and well explained.
     
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  14. sieglo

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    I guess that's where we differ. He had the ball pinned to his leg and was in control from my perspective.
     
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    QuantumMechanic Burn it all down! PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Yes, that is where we differ.
     
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    My sense was that the ball was still moving -- that the instant of super-slo-mo that looked still was illusory.

    In the end, it was probably close enough that the call on the field couldn't have been reversed either way.
     
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    I'm honestly not certain. I don't think there was "compelling evidence" either way. No matter which way the original call on the field had gone, it wouldn't hav been overturned.

    However, regardless which way the possession had gone, both Lewis and Jacks were down by contact.
     
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    "Only on patsfans.com" category :
    After one of the greatest, most thrilling comebacks in the illustrious history of the Patriots, a game filled with tons of great storylines and drama and y'all are arguing over whether Dion Lewis fumbled that ball.
    Seriously, who gives a sheet?
     
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    NYCPatsFan In the Starting Line-Up

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    And yet, didn't either Romo or Nantz mention when watching the replay that they wish the ref's didn't blow the whistle and let the play continue i.e let the Jack run all the way for a TD?
     
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    I think that was Nantz.
     
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