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  1. Sfpat

    Sfpat In the Starting Line-Up

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    You mean J'ville's head cheerleader
     
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    Ring 6 PatsFans.com Wall of Fame Member

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    He is wrong about 11 personell. The patriots chose to do that, not were forced to. Before Gronk went out and after Gronk went out they played 11 personell consistently.

    I didn’t realize the “stats” people were using to make the argument about not using our 11 personell was just from some jag fan on twitter, which explains why no details were ever forthcoming.
     
  3. pheenix11

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    Especially after hearing that it was him who hit Brady in practice and the fact that he’s never available is causing me to quickly sour on this guy. Not a huge fan.
     
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  4. Elijah

    Elijah The Tom Brady Of Not Having A Gf PatsFans.com Supporter

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    That seems a little extreme but I will say I've never seen any one skill of his that makes me drool, yet every other post here (before his injury) was about how he's an unstoppable weapon who gives DCs nightmares. As far as I can tell, he's a well-rounded rotational back who isn't great or terrible at any one thing.
     
  5. maineman209

    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    I'm guessing that folks will be hypercritical of the right side of the OL (where Fowler does his business as a sub-rusher). However, the context was this:
    ... the Pats most typically work out of 12 personnel (with 2 TE) or 21 personnel (with Develin in for 20-25 snaps), both of which either allow for an extra inline or backfield blocker/pass-protector
    ... for this game, the Pats were in 11 personnel most of the way - Allen played only one snap while Gronk was still available (they ran only the one play out of a 2 TE set), and Develin only played 15 snaps. IOW, the 5 OL were "naked" in this game far more often than usual - against a defense that typically racked up nearly 4 sacks per game all season.

    Fowler had 2 sacks (he had 8 on the season) and Dareus had one. Campbell, Jackson and Ngakoue - who accounted for 35 of "Sacksonville's" 55 sacks - barely got a whiff.

    I'm doubtful that even a healthy Waddle would've done significantly better with such little TE help.



    NOTE: Click on the Tweet for the rest of Howe's stat-thread.
     
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    They are getting the 61 plays from

    42 dropbacks (39 attempts, 3 sacks)
    16 rushes
    3 kneel downs

    61 plays is how many plays the Pats ran on offense

    And the link you just posted backs up what PFF had.

    PASS PROTECTION
    RG Shaq Mason: sack, QB hit, two hurries allowed
    RT Cameron Fleming: sack, one hurry
    LT Nate Solder: one QB hit
    LG Joe Thuney: one hurry


    Kyed has it as 8 pressures given up by the OL. (2 sacks, 4 hurries 2 QB hits)
    The 9th pressure would be the 3rd sack allowed which apparently Kyed isn't putting on anyone.
     
  7. sean10mm

    sean10mm Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    It was an interesting choice, since the metrics said the Jags D's (relative) vulnerability was against RB and TE heavy sets, and the Pats avoided that almost entirely. Of course the Pats knew that the Jags knew that, etc., etc.
     
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    I’m just not convinced about the stats people are using to draw that conclusion.
    They were murky stats with no context or depth that came from some guy who is a jags fan.
    I’m skeptical that they mean what they are purported to and also skeptical that they are accurate.
     
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    Never learned anything from JE or Amendola huh?
     

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