I hate Jerome Boger

[JMC00]

Oh no. That can't be . We are just a bunch of losers, whining over the refs. They are not the reason we lost. The Defense sucked. ...BUT , the refs absolutely changed the outcome of the game. And I believe it was intentional. Booger is Goodell's *****

When Pats lost to the Chiefs there was zero posts about the refs, only thing I questioned was Derrick Johnson holding Burkhead's arm which was an obvious PI and the refs bailing the Chiefs out in the end zone by calling PI on an under thrown ball. But Chiefs played better that night end of story. Had the Texans won wouldn't have been a peep about the refs.

This is a completely different thing. Because there are 3 calls in this game that no question effected the outcome that are calls that likely 9 times out of 10 don't get called.

And this isn't a game where "they called it both ways". Panthers weren't flagged outside of Gronk's PI that he had to put a show on to get.

 

[rochrist]

The penalty on Carolina was a joke. Gronk wasn't interfered with and the ball wasn't close to catchable. That said, it worked as a make-up call though since it basically put the ball in the same spot as the previous play with the terrible OPI call.

I thought it pretty clearly WAS a make up call.

 

[Tunescribe]

Game question


I was at the game so didn't have the benefit of broadcast analysis on this: With 47 seconds left and the ball on New England's 41, Carolina ran Stewart up the middle for 2 yards. One the play, Chung was called for defensive holding. The ref gave Carolina the play AND the penalty for a 7-yard gain and automatic first down at the Pats' 34.

Point No. 1: I know I SHOULD know this, but apparently it's common procedure to tack on penalty yardage for defensive holding after a run gain. It seemed wrong to me but that's probably because it's not something we see very often, which brings me to ...

Point No. 2: How the HELL can they call Chung for holding off the line of scrimmage on a freaking RUNNING PLAY? On the big-screen replay it looked to me like Chung simply was fighting off a block.

Anyone who has a clear perspective on this, please help me out. It was a pivotal development in the winning field goal drive and still doesn't make sense to me. Was the foul really that obvious?

 

[archstanton543]

There was on foul on the play. The Carolina player tripped and Chung blocked him as you would on a running play. The fix was in at the point. Boger just wanted to make sure the winning FG was make-able for the kicker.

 

[Tunescribe]

There was on foul on the play. The Carolina player tripped and Chung blocked him as you would on a running play. The fix was in at the point. Boger just wanted to make sure the winning FG was make-able for the kicker.

That's what I'm afraid of and I don't understand why more people aren't raising holy hell about that call.

 

[archstanton543]

That's what I'm afraid of and I don't understand why more people aren't raising holy hell about that call.

Because the game was basically over after the second ticky-tack call of illegal use of hands on Gilmore (away from the play) that negated the sack. The holding call was the icing on the cake.

 

[Tunescribe]

Because the game was basically over after the second ticky-tack call of illegal use of hands on Gilmore (away from the play) that negated the sack. The holding call was the icing on the cake.

But without the penalty and first down, Carolina would've had second-and-8 at the 39 and that's a big difference. If New England held it would've been a 56-yard field goal attempt.

 

[archstanton543]

But without the penalty and first down, Carolina would've had second-and-8 at the 39 and that's a big difference. If New England held it would've been a 56-yard field goal attempt.

That's a pretty big "IF".

 

[Mike the Brit]

I don't understand why more people aren't raising holy hell about that call.

There's a thread about the refereeing, which was, indeed, very bad and slanted against the Pats. But belabour the point and you're taking attention away from the fact that the defense couldn't pass-rush, couldn't cover and couldn't stop the run. The Panthers deserved the W.

 

[Tunescribe]

There's a thread about the refereeing, which was, indeed, very bad and slanted against the Pats. But belabour the point and you're taking attention away from the fact that the defense couldn't pass-rush, couldn't cover and couldn't stop the run. The Panthers deserved the W.

I don't dispute that at all. But that penalty was pretty damn unusual and a potential game-changer, is all I'm trying to say. I have NEVER seen holding called on a defensive back on a running play.

 

[Mike the Brit]

I don't dispute that at all. But that penalty was pretty damn unusual and a potential game-changer, is all I'm trying to say. I have NEVER seen holding called on a defensive back on a running play.

Indeed. The point was made by several people in that other thread.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

That's what I'm afraid of and I don't understand why more people aren't raising holy hell about that call.

At least the Chiefs won fair & square.

Let's face it, it's pretty tough - and unusual - to beat a Tom Brady-quarterbacked team.

No time to cry, we gotta get back out there on Thursday, Tuney.

But you do make an excellent point. The refs have have been victims of Goodell too, like everybody else.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

There's a thread about the refereeing, which was, indeed, very bad and slanted against the Pats. But belabour the point and you're taking attention away from the fact that the defense couldn't pass-rush, couldn't cover and couldn't stop the run. The Panthers deserved the W.

"Deserve" the win? The refs decided the game.

As Clint Eastwood says in Unforgiven "Deserves has nothing to do with it."

 

[Joker]

I told this board all about Boger and what his role is as an NFL referree ...during and after the Ravens/SF Super Bowl. I told everyone that the worst rated ref from the league's lowest rated ref crew was elevated by the Scumbagissioner for the direct purpose to insure a Ravens win in Ray Lewis's swansong. NOW you know why the game was stopped, HALTED for a good twenty minutes as SF was running over the Ravens, so poor iddle widdle murdering Ray Ray could get a second wind. NOW you know why there was no call on the CLEAR PI in the endzone on Crabtree...and now you all know the truth...when you see Boger you KNOW there is the stink of corruption.

 

[luuked]

But you do make an excellent point. The refs have have been victims of Goodell too, like everybody else.

The refs are not a victim of Goodell but an evergrowing rule book that simply needs to be blown up, streamlined and rewritten. This has started to become an issue long before Goodell but the advent of HD tvs, high FPS slow motion and the video review rules have just made it more apparent.

On the one hand every rule has 10x the amount of pages explaining exceptions and specific cases because the league has specialized rules down with the catching rules being the absolutely unintuitive at this point. On the other hand they leave way to much wiggle room for referees to make judgement calls which results in even more egregious situations where calls are not only inconsistent between different ref crews but sometimes even in one single game. What is roughing the passer on side is just a tackle on the other. What is OPI for one set of eyes is DPI for another.

If something can be ambiguous then that rule needs to go and be replaced by extremely conservative (e.g. no tackling of a QB at all but two hands on him is a sack) that at least guarantees that it is always called the same on everyone. Do I like the washed down version of football ? Nope. But boy do I hate losing games because of inconsistent ref calls way more than that.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I'm pretty sure that's not true. The prohibitions you cited that end when there is a demonstrated lack of intention to pass don't include defensive holding/illegal use of hands. I'm pretty sure defensive holding is illegal always.

Likewise within the 5yd chuck zone before a pass. You can contact and chuck the receiver, but you cannot hold them.

defensive holding on a run play is generally called when a defensive player holds a player to keep them from completing a block.....ie OG chips a DL and slides to the LB, and is held by the DL to keep the LB free

i have never seen it called on a DB away from the play getting rid of a block in that manner, that was one of the strangest calls i've seen outside the NBA

 

[Tunescribe]

i have never seen it called on a DB away from the play getting rid of a block in that manner, that was one of the strangest calls i've seen outside the NBA

I've never seen it either. It made no sense and arguably cinched the game for Carolina. Again, as I noted before, I'm surprised there isn't more of an uproar about that call. It truly looked like the fix was in. I wish I could see the NFL's referee grades for Boger's crew from that game and would like to know if BB filed a complaint, however futile it might be.

 

[Kontradiction]

Idiotic penalty to take right there in that spot... immediately in front of the official.

 

[PatriotReign]

I wish they would put in some scrub like Richards or Grissom to knock Booger out of the game with an illegal hit. At least then they would have done something useful.

 

[goheels22002]

Kiss my ass.

Not sure what your comment is in reference to, but the fact that the Patriots got only one call all day on the Gronk mugging after the BS PI call for bumping into Luke Kuechly, led me to hollar "Kiss My Ass!" at the TV while Gronk was flailing around.

The Pats got hosed, pure and simple. Still, it wouldn't have mattered if Gilmore had not blown two assignments that led to easy TD passes for Newton, and brought his hands up on two plays in which his man wasn't involved.

Prediction: Stephon Gilmore will look great in a Cleveland Browns uniform before mid-season.