How Many Games Do Wolf And Mayo Want To Win?

[Wozzy]

The biggest clown on here deserves the most laughs.

Your feelings are hurt, laughing is how you deal with it… I get it Pagliacci.

 

[sb1]

Among backups Brissett is easily the closest to being a starter. He gets a one year contract every year because teams know he can start. He’s not alone Gardner Minshew is comparable, both could be starting this season. These guys are slightly better than average starters.

Being able to start once in a while as needed is literally a backup QBs job…that doesn’t make him special.

Jacoby has an 85.3 career rating. Last year that rating earns him 32nd place in the league in that category. Nowhere near my ballpark of “above average” starters.

Every point you make has rules that have to exist for you to be correct. The rest of us don’t live in your head.

The 49ers traded their azzes to get the third overall pick and select Trey Lance… they moved on from him in two years.

I didn’t say picking at the top of the draft is a guarantee of success. I said the opposite of that.

There’s no age rules, if you can’t play you don’t… eventually.

Age is a good barometer of whether a QB has upside or whether he has potential to get better. A 30 year old is who he is he’s not a raw prospect who should get better.

I didn’t say he would, said the better player would take the job.

You’re fighting a winless battle here because you attacked the messenger not the message. Instead of focusing and following me around, pick and choose your battles.

“Following me around” lol

The better players play… not cause wozzy said so, but because it’s stating the obvious.

Duh.

 

[Wozzy]

I didn’t say picking at the top of the draft is a guarantee of success. I said the opposite of that.

No, you suggested I said something I didn’t about high draft picks. Then you tried to argue the sky wasn’t blue. Now you’re dancing.

 

[mgteich]

I said once the pick is made, where they got drafted or if they got drafted at all is meaningless.

Reading comprehension buddy...

???

I'll try to be brief to help YOU with reading comprehension.

1) For the New England Patriots, where you are drafted makes a difference with regard to whether you make the roster as a rookie.

2) In this century, NOT ONE player drafted in the first four rounds was cut before Game One, NOT ONE.

CONCLUSION
Which round you are drafted matters to the patriots in whether the player make his rookie 53.

And just BTW, how many first or second rounders have been cut before their 2nd year? Are you really saying that they were better than the last couple of cuts? Make no mistake, if a 6th rounder is better than a 2nd year 2nd rounder, there is a place for the 6th rounder, the Practice Squad if the alternative is to cut the 2nd rounder.

 

[sb1]

No, you suggested I said something I didn’t about high draft picks. Then you tried to argue the sky wasn’t blue. Now you’re dancing.

You said draft position is meaningless. Not so.

And I’m not talking about a 30 year old QB who is not ever going to be better than he already is.

Even if Milton outplays Maye in camp there is no chance Milton takes Maye’s job this year. Nada. Zero.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If I got paid for every laugh emoji I got from archstanton I'd be the richest guy on Patsfans... another stat.

I've been wondering what's the story behind tha? Almost every post I see from you has the laughing emoji. @archstanton543 what's the beef between you two?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Spot on. And last season I even sparred with him over Purdy. Swap offensive rosters with he and Mac and see how Purdy would look in contrast to how Mack would look last season.

Anyone would look really bad with that offensive roster in 2023. Even Brady looked pretty bad with the 2019 roster post Brown. Purdy is an interesting case as he's started with a talented roster on both sides of the ball. Many people wanted to see Mahomes with a stripped down offensive roster and he's found a way to win 2 straight Super Bowls. We may have to wait a few years before we see how Purdy does without elite talent on offense.

As regards to Mac, who knows how he would've done with a better offensive mind with better skill players on offense. He absolutely got a raw deal.

 

[archstanton543]

I've been wondering what's the story behind tha? Almost every post I see from you has the laughing emoji. @archstanton543 what's the beef between you two?

Like I said on the previous page, he's the biggest clown here. And you laugh at clowns.

 

[1960Pats]

Not exactly true either at least from the team's perspective. There's major implications on the type of contract rookies receive based on where they were drafted. Also the rookie wage scale.

No there's no guarantees that a first round pick will be a good NFL player but the odds are much higher than a player drafted on day 3.

The HOF QBs show that earlier picks don't mean as much as you might think.

These are the latest picked QBs that are in the HOF or will be soon;

Player - Pick - # of QBs picked ahead of them
Starr - 200 - 8
Brady - 199 - 6
Blanda - 119 - 8
Unitas - 102 - 3
Montana - 82 - 3
Fouts - 64 - 5
Stabler - 52 - 3
Jurgensen - 43 - 4
Van Broklin - 37 - 5
Tarkenton - 35 - 1
Favre - 33 - 2

Of all the HOF QBs only 6 were the first QB taken.

 

[Real fan 02]

Anyone would look really bad with that offensive roster in 2023. Even Brady looked pretty bad with the 2019 roster post Brown. Purdy is an interesting case as he's started with a talented roster on both sides of the ball. Many people wanted to see Mahomes with a stripped down offensive roster and he's found a way to win 2 straight Super Bowls. We may have to wait a few years before we see how Purdy does without elite talent on offense.

As regards to Mac, who knows how he would've done with a better offensive mind with better skill players on offense. He absolutely got a raw deal.

While I'll also believe that Brady's absolute mastery of the offense in wich he was in year 19 in the system had alot to do with him being able to still go 24-8. As Mahomes same scenario he's mastered reids offense. So that has alot to do with how QB'S can manage with 3s and 4s instead of 1s and 2s like brady had to deal with for the duration of career. If you took notice Mahomes even said himself he watched years of film on us to to how brady was able to adapt to the players around him and raise their games. But the guy playing with house money here has been Purdy. When teams have committed to shut down mcaffree that shanny offense isn't the same. More 3 and outs and the offense can't get in Rythym. If you look at last season that 3 game skid the 49s had last season that is what teams were doing.

Running the ball and shutting the run down is how this team can make life easy for Drake.

 

[Wozzy]

???

I'll try to be brief to help YOU with reading comprehension.

1) For the New England Patriots, where you are drafted makes a difference with regard to whether you make the roster as a rookie.

2) In this century, NOT ONE player drafted in the first four rounds was cut before Game One, NOT ONE.

CONCLUSION
Which round you are drafted matters to the patriots in whether the player make his rookie 53.

And just BTW, how many first or second rounders have been cut before their 2nd year? Are you really saying that they were better than the last couple of cuts? Make no mistake, if a 6th rounder is better than a 2nd year 2nd rounder, there is a place for the 6th rounder, the Practice Squad if the alternative is to cut the 2nd rounder.

That's for telling me what I said by completely misinterpreting what was said. You made it sound like you understood reading comprehension, seems you don't.

We were discussing who would play, not who would make the team.

CONCLUSION:
You completely blundered this hot take, but take some time to comprehend what is being discussed and try again later.

 

[Wozzy]

I've been wondering what's the story behind tha? Almost every post I see from you has the laughing emoji. @archstanton543 what's the beef between you two?

He's passive aggressive and has trouble expressing his emotions or letting go.

 

[mgteich]

That's for telling me what I said by completely misinterpreting what was said. You made it sound like you understood reading comprehension, seems you don't.

We were discussing who would play, not who would make the team.

CONCLUSION:
You completely blundered this hot take, but take some time to comprehend what is being discussed and try again later.

ROFL

You were debating whether NFL play player based on where they were drafted or based on who is playing better???

I truly apologize. I cannot even imagine debating such a silly idea.
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And just BTW, Training Camp will not determine who gets reps during the season (except perhaps for Game 1). Of course, whether a player makes the roster might have some effect.
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BOTTOM LINE
I will try to restrict myself from participating in such earthshattering debates.

 

[Wozzy]

ROFL

You were debating whether NFL play player based on where they were drafted or based on who is playing better???

This ^ sentence is an abomination.

I have no clue what in the world you were trying to say, you butchered the English language beyond all recognition.

I truly apologize. I cannot even imagine debating such a silly idea.

Nobody but you knows what you're talking about.

I'll cut you a break though considering it was written during happy hour.

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And just BTW, Training Camp will not determine who gets reps during the season (except perhaps for Game 1). Of course, whether a player makes the roster might have some effect.
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BOTTOM LINE
I will try to restrict myself from participating in such earthshattering debates.

The best player's play... period. Nobody cares when you got drafted a year or two later, absolutely nobody. You're either good enough, or you're not.

Sober up and try again later...

 

[PScottman]

Just like any year a lot of it depends on circumstance. NFL rosters are not that far apart across the whole. There are the 2-3 outliers at the top and bottom - usually due to QB play, but the rest of the league averages to the mean in most cases. It's those that have the most continuity - less injuries, especially in key personnel groups such as the OL and secondary where synchronization, familiarity, and coordination are paramount to sustained success where wins can pile up.

In an addition by subtraction getting rid of a QB that might have been the most anti-clutch (always making the wrong play at the worst time) alone should equal more wins for this team. If they stay healthier across the OL (even with the LT situation) and secondary - that too should contribute - but that factor is uncontrollable for any HC/GM team.

 

[Wozzy]

Just like any year a lot of it depends on circumstance. NFL rosters are not that far apart across the whole. There are the 2-3 outliers at the top and bottom - usually due to QB play, but the rest of the league averages to the mean in most cases. It's those that have the most continuity - less injuries, especially in key personnel groups such as the OL and secondary where synchronization, familiarity, and coordination are paramount to sustained success where wins can pile up.

In an addition by subtraction getting rid of a QB that might have been the most anti-clutch (always making the wrong play at the worst time) alone should equal more wins for this team. If they stay healthier across the OL (even with the LT situation) and secondary - that too should contribute - but that factor is uncontrollable for any HC/GM team.

Good post. Agree entirely, even the worst NFL rosters have some great and good players on them floundering in obscurity because their team sucks.

I think back to the Gilmore signing here, PFF said he sucked, some posters said it was a massive overpay and Bill would regret it, others bemoaned that he should have given Malcolm Butler that money.

Gilmore was so much better than Butler and it wasn’t close. Butler (JC Jackson) looked better than he was because of team and scheme. Those pushing to sign Aiyuk this off-season are doing the same exact thing. They’re attributing super powers to an average/good player because he looks great and productive in a wildly hood scheme and team.

Randy Moss posted 500 yards receiving on the Raiders, the Pats got him for a 4th round pick because he was “old and washed up,” then he posted the best single receiving season in history. It’s a team game.