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Here's the real reason why the Patriots might not be officially naming Matt Patricia offensive coordinator

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patfanken

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This is ANOTHER non-story that becomes a story because the narrative it creates fits an agenda.

1. Patricia and Judge are BOTH being well paid for the work they are doing this season.

2. The bulk of BOTH their salaries are being paid by the teams that fired them and the Pats would be fools to do anything that would increase THEIR costs as long as it doesn't DECREASE Judge's and Patricia's bank accounts So the Pats aren't doing anything that is "cheap"

3. I'm surprised to hear what seems to me the REAL reason for not having an "official OC title" is that NEXT year the job will go to BOB, BOB committed to stay 2 years at Alabama. And if he doesn't get another shot at a head coaching job, my guess is he'll be right back here next season.

4 A couple of other thoughts on this topic

a. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual game day play calling this year goes to Bill. A number of sources have agreed that calling plays and working with the OL is logistically impossible. Which leads to one possible conclusion. Billy Yates is going to be the lead OL coach which would let Patricia call plays OR Judge or Calley will get the job

b. Personally I believe the so call game day "play caller" on both offense AND defense is VASTLY overrated, Lets take the offense for example. The REAL work of the staff happens DURING the week not on Sunday, As a group the offensive coaches have broken down all the defensive tendencies and personnel groupings of their next opponent and determine what plays they want to run at whatever down and distance, and before the Friday they will have 2 or 3 favored plays for every down and distance situation ready to go.

So the play called in on Sunday is literally one of two or three PREDETERMINED plays. Then of course AFTER the play goes it, it is subject to whatever changes might be needed to be made at the LOS based on what the defense actually shows (which might be differen)t than what's expected. I would be interested to know (if it can be known) what percentage of the plays called on the sideline actually get run. I'm guessing 50-60% but that is just a guess. I would guess that the number is even less on the defensive side of the ball since the defensive calls get constantly changed by formation, personnel groupings and motions which are very hard to predict.

What I guess I am saying is that more often than most would suspect, the "play call" from the sideline is just the starting point and its what is planned DURING the week that is the critical work, and who exactly is "in charge" of that task each week is going to be an ongoing question for this season, My guess is Malcolm is right and it will be Bill, but who knows. All we DO know is Bill will never tell and that won't stop EVERYONE from offering their opinions.
 

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This is ANOTHER non-story that becomes a story because the narrative it creates fits an agenda.
Yes, a narrative that Tom E Curran and Phil Perry are extremely fond of.

They are flogging that agenda as if their life depends on it on their last podcast.

Tom's recent take:


It seems to me he just wants to position himself as king-maker and shot-caller, and doesn't seem to care how silly he looks as he writes one "pay attention to me!" piece after another.
 

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Krafty Bob and Belicheap at it again?
This has nothing to do with being cheap - it has to do with circumventing league rules that dictate all sorts of things for coordinators (mandatory meetings, press availability, contract ranges, and all the "permission to interview" for other jobs language. Clearly, Judge and Patricia don't care about any of that. They are collecting salary and benefits on time left on their HC contracts, which are mandated by the NFL.

They Pats are exploiting gaping loopholes in league rules and maintaining tons of flexibility for this season and next. I wonder if there is someone coming off a contract or in their final year elsewhere that he is waiting. Bill O'Brien or someone of his caliber may have encumbrances that he may be asking to work out for a year before joining the Patriots.
 

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It's wild to me that there are some who still think that because the public doesn't know who is official OC/DC, that players and folks in the organization don't know, either.

It took a long time for us to really even know what a person like Ernie Adams did. And that mf'er knew Belichick in HS.

And before someone goes "oh just a Bill Homer, can't criticize him" - yes, you totally can. This hill ain't it, though.
 

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BB apologists regularly criticize moves by the Patriots, regularly pan draft picks and free agent signings.

Anything resembling measured pragmatic Patriot analysis and not hyperbolic BB bashing is considered “apologist” by the nuts from the TB12 echo chamber.
There you go again, bringing up TB in an unrelated thread. I know you know this but half the posters critical of the HC/GM never set foot in the TB forum. The poster you refer to makes more fun of TB than BB. FYI, almost all posters on this thread so-called "bashing Bill" (lol), don't go to the other forum.

It's clear you just use any criticism of the HC/GM as an excuse to bash posters from that thread, warranted or not.

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There you go again, bringing up TB in an unrelated thread. I know you know this but half the posters critical of the HC/GM never set foot in the TB forum.
I didn’t bring up “he who shall not be named,” I brought up the temple his acolytes had built in his honor.

And no, I don’t know what goes on there, having never visited that page until a day ago when a thread got moved there by a mod and I arrived unknowingly… I quickly escaped.

Living rent free in your head is cheap, even in a bad economy.
 

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This has nothing to do with being cheap - it has to do with circumventing league rules that dictate all sorts of things for coordinators (mandatory meetings, press availability, contract ranges, and all the "permission to interview" for other jobs language. Clearly, Judge and Patricia don't care about any of that. They are collecting salary and benefits on time left on their HC contracts, which are mandated by the NFL.

They Pats are exploiting gaping loopholes in league rules and maintaining tons of flexibility for this season and next. I wonder if there is someone coming off a contract or in their final year elsewhere that he is waiting. Bill O'Brien or someone of his caliber may have encumbrances that he may be asking to work out for a year before joining the Patriots.
I was kidding lol, doesn’t even factor in salary cap.
 

DaBruinz

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Oh boy.........Dedicated BB apologist DaBruinz will never accept such a conclusion
Prepare for a 'dislike' and an 'ugh'

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*yawn* I enjoy living rent free, borg.


BTW, when was the last time Albert Breer broke a story about the Patriots? :whistle:
 

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Makes sense. Patriots cheaping out again. Don't give the guy the title, let the Lions foot the bill for the Lion's share of his money. Why am I not surprised to read this?

Great to see people totally ignoring PFK even after all these years.
 

Bill Lee

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That's just good business. If the company you work for could hire a highly experienced employee but have a competitor pay their salary, even for a year, do you think they would do it?
To me this comes across as a rationalization along the lines of "don't worry about coming across as being cheap, just blame capitalism". It feels like right-wing virtue signalling.
 

crawhammer

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Offensive Coordinator Matt Patricia sounds putrid. Hasn't officially worked on the offensive side of the ball since 2005 (in a marginal compacity). Then suddenly calling plays for an offense with a second year quarterback? Doesn't compute.

The majority of the success of the offense is coming down to the development of Mac Jones regardless. And the majority of that development is coming down to him. If he's a strong leader with a vision for the offense then he'll be a large part of coordinating the offense. Per usual the quarterback is the key.

Ultimately, although preferably Patricia and Judge wouldn't have significant roles, I think the offense is going to be fine. There's much more uncertainty with the defense.
 

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BB apologists regularly criticize moves by the Patriots, regularly pan draft picks and free agent signings.

Anything resembling measured pragmatic Patriot analysis and not hyperbolic BB bashing is considered “apologist” by the nuts from the TB12 echo chamber.
I’ve often wondered if you are a fan of the team that has had the greatest run of success in the history of the sport and you criticize and cry about the man who made all the decisions, what does that say about you?

Jet fans should be critical, and doubt the organization has a clue. Patriot fans should be the opposite. Based upon the actual results that have occurred.
 

goheels22002

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This is ANOTHER non-story that becomes a story because the narrative it creates fits an agenda.

1. Patricia and Judge are BOTH being well paid for the work they are doing this season.

2. The bulk of BOTH their salaries are being paid by the teams that fired them and the Pats would be fools to do anything that would increase THEIR costs as long as it doesn't DECREASE Judge's and Patricia's bank accounts So the Pats aren't doing anything that is "cheap"

3. I'm surprised to hear what seems to me the REAL reason for not having an "official OC title" is that NEXT year the job will go to BOB, BOB committed to stay 2 years at Alabama. And if he doesn't get another shot at a head coaching job, my guess is he'll be right back here next season.

4 A couple of other thoughts on this topic

a. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual game day play calling this year goes to Bill. A number of sources have agreed that calling plays and working with the OL is logistically impossible. Which leads to one possible conclusion. Billy Yates is going to be the lead OL coach which would let Patricia call plays OR Judge or Calley will get the job

b. Personally I believe the so call game day "play caller" on both offense AND defense is VASTLY overrated, Lets take the offense for example. The REAL work of the staff happens DURING the week not on Sunday, As a group the offensive coaches have broken down all the defensive tendencies and personnel groupings of their next opponent and determine what plays they want to run at whatever down and distance, and before the Friday they will have 2 or 3 favored plays for every down and distance situation ready to go.

So the play called in on Sunday is literally one of two or three PREDETERMINED plays. Then of course AFTER the play goes it, it is subject to whatever changes might be needed to be made at the LOS based on what the defense actually shows (which might be differen)t than what's expected. I would be interested to know (if it can be known) what percentage of the plays called on the sideline actually get run. I'm guessing 50-60% but that is just a guess. I would guess that the number is even less on the defensive side of the ball since the defensive calls get constantly changed by formation, personnel groupings and motions which are very hard to predict.

What I guess I am saying is that more often than most would suspect, the "play call" from the sideline is just the starting point and its what is planned DURING the week that is the critical work, and who exactly is "in charge" of that task each week is going to be an ongoing question for this season, My guess is Malcolm is right and it will be Bill, but who knows. All we DO know is Bill will never tell and that won't stop EVERYONE from offering their opinions.
This thing with the titles is pretty interesting. If I am reading the NFL Mobility/Anti-Tampering Policy correctly, both can be considered as Assistant Coaches and non-football employees. What's most relevant, I think, is the language around allowing teams to interview coaches for comparable positions and opportunities to take on a higher classification position.

This totally cuts both ways. Either one of these guys can interview any time they want for coaching staff jobs that are perceived as higher classifications - in this case, Coordinator jobs or HC jobs. Bill did these guys a solid here by not restricting their mobility.

On the other hand, it seems to indicate that other teams can approach either Judge or Patricia any time they want without technically violating the tampering language in the Football Operations policy section.

Even more interesting is that this move circumvents the Rooney Rule for Coordinator positions since teams have to interview at least one minority candidate not currently with the team for Coordinator, HC, and designated position coaches, - QBs Coach, for example.

Belichick can keep Judge and Patricia right where they are and can still go out and hire Coordinators should he choose to do so, but would have to go through the Rooney Rule procedures and abide by the in-season language and permission to interview regulations.
 

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