Have opinions of Phillip Dorsett changed?

[1960Pats]

If you remember Jerry rice... What is it that made him great?

Stickum.

Before he started using that he had the dropsies.

 

[JayNM]

I think by the end of the year, Dorsett will have more snaps than Hogan.

He seems more versatile, to add to the fact that he is faster and quicker. I feel like Brady trusts him more by the game, too.

I don't think he has played badly, even in week 2 or 3. Or better, I don't think he was much worse than everyone else...

Also, keep in mind that he is still 25 years old. He still has room for growth and if you consider how much of a bust he was, this year he is showing an explosion of improvement.

 

[mgteich]

Edelman, Gronkowski, Dorsett, Gordon, Hogan, White
We need to have 4 healthy targets.
Patterson is a #5 target, as needed.

 

[1960Pats]

My opinion of Dorsett has improved but not enough to buy one of his jerseys.

 

[upstater1]

Have you watched the tape?

Dorsett is bracketed by two defenders and running while looking over his right shoulder. He slows down for a step or two in order to get around the DB to his right, tracking the ball the entire way.

Then he speeds up again and jumps a little at the last second, so he may not have been entirely confident about his own relative position, but that's not what caused him to bobble it.

It was a "perfect throw" in the sense that it was the right distance and placed where only Dosett could reasonably get to it - which was a yard or so to the right of the DB who was pacing Dorsett on his right flank.

Dorsett still had to make an adjustment to get to where the ball was actually going, and he did a very good job on that part.

???

How is that any different than what I said?

A good deep ball receiver tracks that all the way. He doesn't leap for it at the end after he misjudges it.

 

[maineman209]

I think it's fairly certain that, unless he relapses or gets in trouble again, Gordon is going to be the flanker in this offense. Hogan/Dorsett and Edelman will split snaps as the split end and the slot. Gordon's skill set compared with the other bodies in the WR corps is too good and too unique to not have him on the field for the majority of the offensive snaps, given health.

Regardless where a guy lines up, the number of targets is still more related to what kind of production is realized from what specific route sets and at which levels of the defense. McD and Brady will adapt to the opportunities, but there's still no guarantee that Gordon will offer so much that he'll dominate WR tgts.

 

[maineman209]

???

How is that any different than what I said?

A good deep ball receiver tracks that all the way. He doesn't leap for it at the end after he misjudges it.

Perhaps it depends on what you mean by "a perfect throw". It's not as if Dorsett made his route adjustment and THEN the ball was thrown "perfectly" right to him. His "leap", which wasn't much, may have been to help box out the defender, to align himself with the flight path a bit better, etc. It wasn't the leap that caused Dorsett's bobble.

Maybe it also depends on your definition of "a good receiver." From what I see, there's nothing about that play that's worth condemning Dorsett over, and a lot to like about what he did.

 

[patsfan13]

Well to me he is going to be our #4 based on two beliefs.

1) Gordon is going to give us more of what we saw in his two catches Sunday. His talent level and ability is well above PD and if he has a good grasp of the offense I can't imagine him not being our #2.

Just a note on Gordon, on the TD where White reversed field and scored, Gordon was blocking on the backside with the expectation that the play was going to other way, he held his block the whole time allowing White to walk in. I will bet BB was more pleased with that efforf than even the 2 catches.


That sort of effort will go a long way.

 

[upstater1]

Perhaps it depends on what you mean by "a perfect throw". It's not as if Dorsett made his route adjustment and THEN the ball was thrown "perfectly" right to him. His "leap", which wasn't much, may have been to help box out the defender, to align himself with the flight path a bit better, etc. It wasn't the leap that caused Dorsett's bobble.

Maybe it also depends on your definition of "a good receiver." From what I see, there's nothing about that play that's worth condemning Dorsett over, and a lot to like about what he did.

That ball was about as perfect a throw as any QB could make. Our receivers don't track the ball well. It's like sticking a kid out in right field because he can't judge the flight of the ball.

Brady has only had a handful of these guys in the past.

Cooks, Moss, Branch, Patten... Occasionally Brown.

All 5 of those guys would have come down with that ball.

 

[maineman209]

That ball was about as perfect a throw as any QB could make. Our receivers don't track the ball well. It's like sticking a kid out in right field because he can't judge the flight of the ball.

Brady has only had a handful of these guys in the past.

Cooks, Moss, Branch, Patten... Occasionally Brown.

All 5 of those guys would have come down with that ball.

"All 5 of those guys would have come down with that ball." Every time? I don't think so, because it didn't actually happen. Every one of those guys failed to make a completion under similar circumstances more than once.

But, again, what - to you - makes that a "perfect throw"?

 

[ChessToCheckers]

James White has easily been our most productive offensive target so far this season. Could have had close to or over 100 yards receiving today w/o Thuney's unnecessary hold.

On a pace for close to 100 catches for the year. Obviously that isn't going to happen with Edelman coming back but wouldn't be surprised if White has 70-80 catches this season.

White is my second favorite player on the Pats! His on-field presence and performance continues to improve. Brady and the coaches seem to love this guy. He is a Captain this year, which speaks to the respect the team has for him. I caught this week's Monday radio interview and his humility and maturity really stood out. Love this guy!

 

[Simpelton]

"All 5 of those guys would have come down with that ball." Every time? I don't think so, because it didn't actually happen. Every one of those guys failed to make a completion under similar circumstances more than once.

But, again, what - to you - makes that a "perfect throw"?

It was an almost perfect throw but in coverage that tight almost perfect is not good enough

 

[Kontradiction]

It was an almost perfect throw but in coverage that tight almost perfect is not good enough

Hit him in the hands. He should have caught it.

 

[Simpelton]

That ball was about as perfect a throw as any QB could make. Our receivers don't track the ball well. It's like sticking a kid out in right field because he can't judge the flight of the ball.

Brady has only had a handful of these guys in the past.

Cooks, Moss, Branch, Patten... Occasionally Brown.

All 5 of those guys would have come down with that ball.

Are you really throwing deion branch into that list? I seem to recall no small number of rather serious drops by that man, especially his first time around in a New England uniform

 

[Simpelton]

Hit him in the hands. He should have caught it.

Players do not leave their feet to catch throws that hit them in the hands

Honestly brady needed to get that ball a few yards further downfield so Dorsett could get some separation on the catch.

 

[maineman209]

It was an almost perfect throw but in coverage that tight almost perfect is not good enough

Well, the bracket wasn't as tight as it was on a similar play in the DET game. In any case, Dorsett broke out of the bracket and got good, if temporary, separation. Brady threw the ball to an open area in front of Dorsett and away from the coverage. Dorsett ran underneath it and got his hands on it just before the coverage caught up.

Would have been a great play all around, if Dorsett hadn't bobbled it, allowing the DB to break it up.

 

[Kontradiction]

Players do not leave their feet to catch throws that hit them in the hands

Honestly brady needed to get that ball a few yards further downfield so Dorsett could get some separation on the catch.

Yes or no: did the ball hit him in the hands?

 

[Simpelton]

Yes or no: did the ball hit him in the hands?

Not under any standard other than one in which every single catch is a "hit in the hands."

He had to leave his feet. He had to go get the ball. It did not "hit him in the hands," he moved his hands and his whole body to go get the ball.

Now the throw was very good, Brady did a good job of finding the window and Dorsett didn't have to move very far, but I DARE you to try to say that Dorsett didn't have to make an adjustment to line up that catch. It is a complete denial of reality to suggest that the throw was right in Dorsett's hands. It simply didn't happen that way.

He could still have easily caught it. I honestly think he showed a good effort on the play. I think the defender did a good job of swatting the ball and I think Dorsett is still working on his timing with Brady and that played a role in why it wasn't a complete. But the ball did not "hit him in the hands."

 

[Deus Irae]

It was an almost perfect throw but in coverage that tight almost perfect is not good enough

Nonsense

 

[Simpelton]

Nonsense

You make a good argument, so facts, such wow.

A perfect throw leads the defensive back by a few yards so Dorsett can use his speed to gain separation. You can tell that that's what Dorsett expects, and a lot of the successful throws to Dorsett involved him changing direction to go get the ball, where his small size and agility give him an advantage against the coverage.

I originally thought Brady overthrew the ball, the fact is that on further review, Brady needed to lead Dorsett a little bit more, let him go get it, preferably let him change direction to go get it, because that's how Dorsett seems to work best. Instead, the throw was a little too tightly focused. Dorsett lost speed on the catch and that allowed the DB to make the play.

Dorsett still could have caught the ball, but a "perfect" throw to Dorsett would have been about a yard past his right shoulder so he can swerve away from the DB and make the grab in stride. Brady made a good throw but not a perfect throw, and that allowed the DB to be in position to make the play.