Greg Bedard skewers AVP

[Rob0729]

This year is about Maye. Having him take the year off helps no one.
Working on something live under pressure sticks. Working on it running the other teams plays does not.
Pressure does not affect footwork. You take your drops before pressure arrives.

I never said it had to be a year. You need to sit him until he is ready even if it takes up to a year. If he is ready tomorrow he can play. But odds are it is going to take a lot longer than tomorrow.

Tom Brady agrees with me.







So does Dan Orlovsky

 

[PatsFan2]

I love TB but we basically hit the Lottery on him his opinion don't count here sorry Tom.

 

[Ring 6]

AVP really said that?

So he basically just making public decisions for Mayo now that doesn't seem right. I need to go find the quote I guess I'm hoping he was trying to defend Jacoby rather than step on Mayo.

The guy who coached the Browns to lead the league in turnovers and was fired has more authority over the future of the team than the HC.

I guess Mayo done F-ed up again. First he announced we were going to spend on free agents, then Kraft schooled him on the truth.
Now he says Maye might be the starter, and AVP
schooled him on the truth.

 

[Ring 6]

I never said it had to be a year. You need to sit him until he is ready even if it takes up to a year. If he is ready tomorrow he can play. But odds are it is going to take a lot longer than tomorrow.

Tom Brady agrees with me.







So does Dan Orlovsky

Dan Orlovsky? Really?

Maye needs to play to develop. All we are doing is delaying his development.

 

[JohnJH]

Well we are stuck with him for at least this year. It was a questionable hire from the beginning so it’s little surprise.

As JFK once said: "An error doesn't become a mistake, unless it remains uncorrected". If AVP is not what is best for Maye in-specific and the Offense in-general, then they need to move on after this season to an OC who can build and coach an Offense that will be effective with Maye. I don't want Maye being in the Top 3 in rushing on the Team like Josh Allen (his career should have been over by now because of that), as the Patriots do try to have RB talent (although they could use more next season). They are having Maye work on fundamentals which is a plus, and changing to a better OC in the off-season shouldn't hurt Maye like it did Jones (apples and oranges situation). Especially with Maye starting with a hopefully strong OL and skill position players (the OL improved will help just by itself), and he'll have all of the off-season to learn the new system. If Maye has the tools to be a Stud, but the wrong OC, this could get really ugly, really quick.

 

[Ring 6]

I love TB but we basically hit the Lottery on him his opinion don't count here sorry Tom.

There is one Tom Brady. Of course he is going to favor the way it worked with him. And he isn’t really answering the question as it pertains to the patriots.

If you sit Maye when he eventually plays he will be better than he would be today.
That’s not the question.

The question is whether he will be better NEXT year by sitting or playing THIS year.

Brady is talking about the best time to have the most success in his first game. I’m talking about the best way for him to have success in his first game OF 2025.

2024 is wasted because we passed on building the best team we could. Let Maye get his growing pains on that, rather than pushing them into the future when we might just spend some money and try to win.

 

[Rob0729]

Dan Orlovsky? Really?

Maye needs to play to develop. All we are doing is delaying his development.

Ring6? Really?

LOL! You discount Orlovsky's knowledge of developing QBs who was an NFL football player and spends a lot of time with the QB prospects and then you give your "expert" opinion on how to develop a QB.

 

[Ring 6]

I never said it had to be a year. You need to sit him until he is ready even if it takes up to a year. If he is ready tomorrow he can play. But odds are it is going to take a lot longer than tomorrow.

Tom Brady agrees with me.







So does Dan Orlovsky

If he’s not ready by now, then he isn’t the guy. This isn’t rocket science.

 

[Rob0729]

I love TB but we basically hit the Lottery on him his opinion don't count here sorry Tom.

His opinion is more knowledgeable than anyone on this board. He was a QB who needed development before playing and benefitted from sitting a year. He has seen the development of many QBs in this league from Cassel to Jimmy G to Brissett etc. So he has some direct knowledge of the sitution.

 

[Tunescribe]

Feels like Mayo may want him to play but Wolf and AVP want to keep him sitting. When asked after the game Mayo said he wasn't sure who his starting quarterback would be. Then the next time we hear from him it is this "footwork" talk after "watching film", aka talking to AVP, and likely Wolf.

I am mainly worried that this staff as a whole is too worried about being competitive instead of being good.

The supposed "reverting back to bad footwork under fire" observation might lend credence to Maye being a bad fit in AVP's system. Didn't they work all summer on his footwork? The exacting precision required of the west coast offense doesn't fit Maye's instinctive style or amplify his strengths (again, supposedly).

 

[Rob0729]

If he’s not ready by now, then he isn’t the guy. This isn’t rocket science.

That is total BS. Tom Brady was not ready to play week 3 of his NFL career and was the FOURTH STRING QB. When they replaced Bledsoe at any point in that season, they put Michael Bishop in before Brady. Apparently we wasted over two decades on a QB who wasn't the guy. What a waste of all that time.

I bet Jordan Love wasn't ready to start on week 3 of his NFL career. And now he is considered one of the rising stars. Who knows if Mahomes was ready week 3.

 

[Rob0729]

The supposed "reverting back to bad footwork under fire" observation might lend credence to Maye being a bad fit in AVP's system. Didn't they work all summer on his footwork? The exacting precision required of the west coast offense doesn't fit Maye's instinctive style or amplify his strengths (again, supposedly).

Well, when you don't have an o-line, that makes the system a bad fit for any QB.

 

[Ring 6]

Ring6? Really?

LOL! You discount Orlovsky's knowledge of developing QBs who was an NFL football player and spends a lot of time with the QB prospects and then you give your "expert" opinion on how to develop a QB.

Orlovsky is an idiot. If playing mate means he will never develop confidence then Maye is the wrong guy. It’s not rocket science.

 

[Ring 6]

That is total BS. Tom Brady was not ready to play week 3 of his NFL career and was the FOURTH STRING QB. Apparently we wasted over two decades on a QB who wasn't the guy. What a waste of all that time.

I bet Jordan Love wasn't ready to start on week 3 of his NFL career. And now he is considered one of the rising stars. Who knows if Mahomes was ready week 3.

Sure he was. He wouldn’t have been great, but he would have been better in 2001 if he played in 2000.

It’s not a matter of being ready to go out and win. It’s a matter of being ready to execute plays and learn.

 

[Rob0729]

Sure he was. He wouldn’t have been great, but he would have been better in 2001 if he played in 2000.

It’s not a matter of being ready to go out and win. It’s a matter of being ready to execute plays and learn.

Belichick and Weis disagreed with you because Michael Bishop and John Friesz played more than Brady that season. And Brady came in right away and performed well in 2001.

I'll tell you this. Matt Cassel could never have gotten the Patriots to 11 wins if Brady went down in Cassel's rookie season even if Cassel had Moss and Welker.

 

[203Pat]

The supposed "reverting back to bad footwork under fire" observation might lend credence to Maye being a bad fit in AVP's system. Didn't they work all summer on his footwork? The exacting precision required of the west coast offense doesn't fit Maye's instinctive style or amplify his strengths (again, supposedly).

That and the fact that they threw him in there in a bloodbath behind an even worse version of the O-line that started the game is another reason I found that comment annoying. Let the kid get in there when it is 0-0 and after a week of prep and then see what he looks like. Trying to tell us he isn't ready because he was running for his life down 3 TD's just sounds stupid.

 

[PatsFan2]

The supposed "reverting back to bad footwork under fire" observation might lend credence to Maye being a bad fit in AVP's system. Didn't they work all summer on his footwork? The exacting precision required of the west coast offense doesn't fit Maye's instinctive style or amplify his strengths (again, supposedly).

Our overall Coaching is envy of the League you can tell by our OL.

 

[Rob0729]

Other pros take on sitting Maye.





Alex Smith doesn't talk about Maye specifically, but he talks about the Peyton Manning model ruining QBs



Most NFL personnel Jeremy Fowler spoke to around draft time believed Maye should sit a year.

 

[Ring 6]

Belichick and Weis disagreed with you because Michael Bishop and John Friesz played more than Brady that season. And Brady came in right away and performed well in 2001.

I'll tell you this. Matt Cassel could never have gotten the Patriots to 11 wins if Brady went down in Cassel's rookie season even if Cassel had Moss and Welker.

That doesn’t mean Brady wasn’t ready to play. It means that there were QBs in front of him and that winning now was the plan.
This team doesn’t care about wining now, or they would have tried to field the best team they could.

If this were 2000 and Maye was in Brady’s situation Maye shouldn’t be playing either.

Who ever said anyone is as good as a rookie as they would be in year 2? You dint seem to understand the argument.

 

[Ring 6]

The supposed "reverting back to bad footwork under fire" observation might lend credence to Maye being a bad fit in AVP's system. Didn't they work all summer on his footwork? The exacting precision required of the west coast offense doesn't fit Maye's instinctive style or amplify his strengths (again, supposedly).

How would he be expected to improve under live fire without playing under live fire?

OMG he might go out on the field and not step into a throw properly. That could be the end of the world. How can he ever have a career if he rushes his feet in his first few games. How can you expect a coaching staff to show him that on film and teach him how to work in it?
Instead we should just not put him out there, and delay it so next year when he plays he can do it then, because doing it now will ruin him but doing it next year is cool.