Greg Bedard skewers AVP

[signbabybrady]

Wow, that's Giaradi paraphrasing but assuming he's accurate the AVP even called it "his" approach. No respect for Mayo not even saying "our".

 

[Rob0729]

That doesn’t mean Brady wasn’t ready to play. It means that there were QBs in front of him and that winning now was the plan.
This team doesn’t care about wining now, or they would have tried to field the best team they could.

If this were 2000 and Maye was in Brady’s situation Maye shouldn’t be playing either.

Who ever said anyone is as good as a rookie as they would be in year 2? You dint seem to understand the argument.

Brady said he wasn't ready to play.

 

[Rob0729]

Wow, that's Giaradi paraphrasing but assuming he's accurate the AVP even called it "his" approach. No respect for Mayo not even saying "our".

I think you are reading too much into it. It was an AVP press conference. Giardi is probably saying "his" approach because of that.

 

[signbabybrady]

I think you are reading too much into it. It was an AVP press conference. Giardi is probably saying "his" approach because of that.

Probably lol

This whole collaboration thing makes me uneasy. I mostly feel like they are all buying into it for now so yeah I'm probably reading too much into it.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady said he wasn't ready to play.

Yeah I’m sure he would have said no.

Brady is comparing how prepared he was after a year to his prepared he was as a rookie

Everyone is more prepared after a year.
Everyone is also more prepared after a year of playing than a year of sitting.
Ask Brady if he became a better player by playing.

 

[Tunescribe]

How would he be expected to improve under live fire without playing under live fire?

OMG he might go out on the field and not step into a throw properly. That could be the end of the world. How can he ever have a career if he rushes his feet in his first few games. How can you expect a coaching staff to show him that on film and teach him how to work in it?
Instead we should just not put him out there, and delay it so next year when he plays he can do it then, because doing it now will ruin him but doing it next year is cool.

I think the prevailing concern is that the OL right now is SO bad his development will be stunted by getting sped up and forming bad habits. In other words, learning by doing isn't possible if you can't even get to square one. What you suggest otherwise would make sense given at least a mediocre offensive line. Hopefully it improves to that point before too long, the QBs are switched out and the Maye era begins in earnest.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

i think alot of qbs would have had iffy footwork behind the line we trotted out Thursday . Some might lose a foot

 

[Ring 6]

I think the prevailing concern is that the OL right now is SO bad his development will be stunted by getting sped up and forming bad habits. In other words, learning by doing isn't possible if you can't even get to square one. What you suggest otherwise would make sense given at least a mediocre offensive line. Hopefully it improves to that point before too long, the QBs are switched out and the Maye era begins in earnest.

I think that approach is a cop out.
Break it down.
Footwork. There are 2 parts to this. The drop and setting your feet to throw. The OL has nothing to do with the drop, it happens before any pressure.
If under a heavy pass rush he isn’t setting his feet, that is something that can only be solved by playing. You don’t get that in practice. Playing behind a weaker OL actually accelerates this process.

What else? Leaving the pocket too soon? Again you can’t replicate in practice.
Rushing throws? Again you can’t replicate in practice.
If the issue is based upon his he responds when protection breaks down, it will always be an issue, and it won’t get fixed by sitting. In fact the wire the OL the greater the opportunity to deal with it.

Why wouldn’t we want him working out those issues now so he is better prepared when we are competitive?

 

[Toofy]

I think Caley's ship has sailed around here he probably feels slighted by the organization.

Who is the QB coach for packers. Maybe entice them to come over here as OC next year. Let's see how Daniels pans out . If it works well, we can possibly poach them . Seattle and vikings would be 2 other teams outside of rams and 49ers from where we might want to poach.

 

[Toofy]

In hindsight, we might have just continued the bridge with zappe . At least he is a gunslinger and the wide receivers might have developed with zappe. I could definitely see baker, Thornton and Polk showing us what they got. Zappe might have some turnovers but he would have some touchdowns and force the other team to also take chances so that our defense can get turnovers. With brissett it's game over if they take a lead.

The only thing good about brissett is he is durable enough to withstand hits.

And another thing, is the West coast style apt for a porous offensive line as ours or does AVP need to add more wrinkles to it ?

 

[raduray]

I heard some of it ... he was really agitated.
A coach pulling random plays out of their ass leaving players confused.
Maybe that somewhat explains the confused look I see from Jacoby.

What does that mean, a coach pulling plays out of his ass? Don't they practice the plays that are on the play sheet?

 

[raduray]

If the reports are to be believed Nick Caley was their guy and AVP was Plan B.

They should have fired Belichick a year earlier, after the Matt Patricia - Joe Judge disaster, when Caley was still with the team.

 

[raduray]

I heard an interesting stat on Callahan's podcast when I was working out today, and that's that Brisset's been pressured on 48% of his pass attempts and that's almost twice as much as the league's best defensive pass rushing team last year, the Lions. That's not sustainable and I don't think you can blame Brissett. Maybe it's on the coaching for not game playing around that weakness, but it's such a foundational flaw that I don't know how they circumvent it.

 

[raduray]

Belichick really screwed him over. McDaniels wanted him to be the OC in Vegas, but Belichick blocked him from leaving. And then gave Patricia the OC job because he knew Patricia would never leave the Pats as long as Belichick was there and he feared Caley would take the first attractive head coaching job offered.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you couldn't block an assistant coach from moving to another team for a higher level position.

 

[signbabybrady]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you couldn't block an assistant coach from moving to another team for a higher level position.

He wasn't getting a promotion. He's just making things up.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I heard an interesting stat on Callahan's podcast when I was working out today, and that's that Brisset's been pressured on 48% of his pass attempts and that's almost twice as much as the league's best defensive pass rushing team last year, the Lions. That's not sustainable and I don't think you can blame Brissett. Maybe it's on the coaching for not game playing around that weakness, but it's such a foundational flaw that I don't know how they circumvent it.

What’s worse is up until Thursday, teams weren’t blitzing and still getting pressure. Jets dialed it up and blitzed on 40 percent of the snaps and the Patriots had no answer to the tune of 7 sacks. Surely A decent QB would find a flaw somewhere in in one of those many blitzes? One big play? One long gainer off a screen or slant? Not ours.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

What does that mean, a coach pulling plays out of his ass? Don't they practice the plays that are on the play sheet?

My interpretation is that AVP called plays outside of the game plan when the plays in the game plan did not work.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Here we go again with the media criticizing the Pats after the fact. Where were they during the off-season when anyone that watches football other than the Pats could see this was a disaster in the making? However, it's not like the Pats had brilliant offensive minds banging on Bobby's door to be the OC. They got what they could.

With that said, there are many examples of horrible OC's looking better than they really are due to the QB play. Pats had two of them during the dynasty's: McDaniels and O'Brien. Both exposed when they didn't have Tom Brady running the offense and BB running the show. For some reason, both OC's forgot how to run an offense when Bill wasn't there holding their hands.

 

[raduray]

My interpretation is that AVP called plays outside of the game plan when the plays in the game plan did not work.

Isn't that called adjustment?

 

[Rob0729]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you couldn't block an assistant coach from moving to another team for a higher level position.

I could be wrong, but it was my understanding that McDaniels wanted Caley as the OC. The block might not have been an official block. There is an unwritten rule that when you go from a coordinator to head coach with another team that you do not poach coaches and front office staff from the team you are leaving. Belichick let McDaniels take a lot of people without fighting him. Maybe they just told him not to take Caley. If the Belichick told McDaniels he could hire Caley, McDaniels would never had gone against Belichick.

McDaniels made Mick Lombardi the OC who had less experience than Caley. I seriously doubt Caley would have gone to Vegas to work for Lombardi who was junior to him in New England. Caley had like six years more experience and Lombardi was only a position coach for two year when he left to go to Vegas. Caley had five years of position coach experience at the pro level.