Greg Bedard: Pats coaching staff already at a troubling crossroads

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As a coach he reached an AFC Championship but lost.

I'm not saying he should have been the choice. I actually am a little more intrigued by Mayo just because I precieve him as the smarter of the 2.

Just thought it should be obvious why he gets plenty of love around here. He earned it.

As a player yes as a coach eh not really.

Sure, give him someone like Derrick Henry in his prime and he can win a few games. What coach can’t? Give him an untalented roster like the Pats and it will and did turn out ugly. Overrated IMO

 

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3 Super Bowls and 4 AFC championships. He racked up all sorts of sacks and even a few touchdowns. I'm surprised you don't remember this. It was glorious.

That’s something that I always found curious. Out of all the winning we did, Kraft sought out a player who’s only championship was when he was on IR and recruited him to be the next coach before he had ever coached, then promoted him after the teams he was a coach in never won a playoff game.
If you want to tie yourself to the success of the franchise, why not do it with a guy who was more a part of the highest levels of success?
Vrabel got into coaching in 2011 and spent 3 years as a position coach in college, then 3 more as a position coach in Houston.
Why wasn’t he the guy we recruited as a future HC?

 

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That’s something that I always found curious. Out of all the winning we did, Kraft sought out a player who’s only championship was when he was on IR and recruited him to be the next coach before he had ever coached, then promoted him after the teams he was a coach in never won a playoff game.
If you want to tie yourself to the success of the franchise, why not do it with a guy who was more a part of the highest levels of success?
Vrabel got into coaching in 2011 and spent 3 years as a position coach in college, then 3 more as a position coach in Houston.
Why wasn’t he the guy we recruited as a future HC?

I can't speak to why they didn't consider Vrabel more. I would agree they should have insisted Mayo get some more experience in College or another system. But it's clear based on his time here as a player that many people thought he was a coach in the making and that Kraft obviously thought highly of him. I don't want to start questioning him yet and I think there is still a very good chance he'll be a good coach. I don't want to give up on him at first sign of crisis I want to see how he works through it and how the team responds to it.

 

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I can't speak to why they didn't consider Vrabel more. I would agree they should have insisted Mayo get some more experience in College or another system. But it's clear based on his time here as a player that many people thought he was a coach in the making and that Kraft obviously thought highly of him. I don't want to start questioning him yet and I think there is still a very good chance he'll be a good coach. I don't want to give up on him at first sign of crisis I want to see how he works through it and how the team responds to it.

There is just a lot of troubling things happening outside of 1-3.

He just benched Stevenson because he has to live up to his “ball security is job security” cliche, yet Brissett starts after fumbling 3 times and throwing a pick 6.

 

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There is just a lot of troubling things happening outside of 1-3.

He just benched Stevenson be a it as he has to live up to his “ball security is job security” cliche, yet Brissett starts after fumbling 3 times and throwing a pick 6.

Brissett needs to be benched no arguments from me on that.

Winning cures a lot. Got to get a couple Ws before this gets worse.

 

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Brissett needs to be benched no arguments from me on that.

Winning cures a lot. Got to get a couple Ws before this gets worse.

Why bench Stevenson and not brissett?
They aren’t equipped to win.

 

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Why bench Stevenson and not brissett?
They are equipped to win.

 

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You only have to look at the Washington offense to know he has to be better than what we have because our LT has been criminal #1 in the worst offense football. You are arguing Polk is dominating at 61 yards because it’s everyone else’s fault.

Disagree, and Belichick often resigned them before they were free.

If he sits the year, he is a rookie again next year.

How many teams can you name who’s #1 and #2 are worse than Polk a d Douglas?

I never argued that Polk is dominating. If you'r egoing to just make **** up, I guess you'll win this all-important (to you) argument).

Show me the year where BB extended people early and resigned this many high-profile players to mid-to-high contracts.

 

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I never argued that Polk is dominating. If you'r egoing to just make **** up, I guess you'll win this all-important (to you) argument).

Show me the year where BB extended people early and resigned this many high-profile players to mid-to-high contracts.

Polk looks like a hit to me, despite his lack of chances. In a decent system with good QB'ing, he'd be lighting it up.

Lighting it up and dominating are pretty much the same thing.

Belichick got 20+ years retained the vast majority of his players. Where have you been?

 

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Brissett needs to be benched no arguments from me on that.

Winning cures a lot. Got to get a couple Ws before this gets worse.

It just got worse. In embarrassing fashion.

 

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Lighting it up and dominating are pretty much the same thing.

Belichick got 20+ years retained the vast majority of his players. Where have you been?

I didn't say he was "lighting it up," you did.

All I said was, "Polk looks like a hit to me."

I stand by that. he made a couple of rookie mistakes yesterday and had a bad drop, but he looks the part. As a 2nd round pick, 10th WR off the board, I think they have something there - which I never said about Harry or Thornton.

 

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I didn't say he was "lighting it up," you did.

All I said was, "Polk looks like a hit to me."

I stand by that. he made a couple of rookie mistakes yesterday and had a bad drop, but he looks the part. As a 2nd round pick, 10th WR off the board, I think they have something there - which I never said about Harry or Thornton.

I quoted your post you said he would be lighting in up but it’s everyone else fault he isn’t.

I’m not saying he doesn’t have potential, I’m saying his body of work so far isn’t great.

 

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I quoted your post you said he would be lighting in up but it’s everyone else fault he isn’t.

I’m not saying he doesn’t have potential, I’m saying his body of work so far isn’t great.

I said, "In a decent system with good QB'ing, he'd be lighting it up."

I believe that.

 

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I said, "In a decent system with good QB'ing, he'd be lighting it up."

I believe that.

Kind of insulting to guys who are lifting it up when you say that about a guy with 9 receptions and 74 yards on 5 games, worse production than Nkeal Harrys career, and Juju and Parker just last year.

 

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Kind of insulting to guys who are lifting it up when you say that about a guy with 9 receptions and 74 yards on 5 games, worse production than Nkeal Harrys career, and Juju and Parker just last year.

It's not insulting a all. You're constantly insulting players - he sucks, they suck, blah blah blah. I don't do that.

With a good QB and a decent system, Polk would be turning heads, in my opinion. Too many plays like the one that was highlighted on another thread, where Polk broke wide open for a very long gain and Bissett, either through lack of time or staring down a read (he did) didn't even see him.

Polk's been open plenty and according to the Pats, he has the best hands on the team. Him and Douglas are NFL caliber WRs, I believe. I think Boutte can be, as well. The Pats are throwing 15/game to WRs. Brutal.

Polk might not ever be a Hill or Adams or Jefferson, but I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a solid and long NFL career.

 

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It's not insulting a all. You're constantly insulting players - he sucks, they suck, blah blah blah. I don't do that.

With a good QB and a decent system, Polk would be turning heads, in my opinion. Too many plays like the one that was highlighted on another thread, where Polk broke wide open for a very long gain and Bissett, either through lack of time or staring down a read (he did) didn't even see him.

Polk's been open plenty and according to the Pats, he has the best hands on the team. Him and Douglas are NFL caliber WRs, I believe. I think Boutte can be, as well. The Pats are throwing 15/game to WRs. Brutal.

Polk might not ever be a Hill or Adams or Jefferson, but I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a solid and long NFL career.

Who have I said sucks that doesn’t?

And your analysis is insulting to players that actually produce.

Sure he might have gotten more targets with a better QB but you just can’t absolve a WR who gains <15 receiving yards a game by saying he’s doing great and it’s everyone else fault.

Cooper and peoples-jones produced with this QB in the same exact system.

I’m not saying he’s a bust, I’m saying it’s ridiculous to say he has played well in his first 5 games.

 

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Who have I said sucks that doesn’t?

And your analysis is insulting to players that actually produce.

Sure he might have gotten more targets with a better QB but you just can’t absolve a WR who gains <15 receiving yards a game by saying he’s doing great and it’s everyone else fault.

Cooper and peoples-jones produced with this QB in the same exact system.

I’m not saying he’s a bust, I’m saying it’s ridiculous to say he has played well in his first 5 games.

I don't typically say ANY professional athlete sucks, as they're doing something I could never do.

I like the tape I'm watching of him - is that really so hard for you to fathom? And it's not insulting - I didn't say he was better than anyone else.

The Patriots offense right now isn't geared for WRs - well, they did it more in the last game, I think (when they could have run a lot more). Do you dispute that?

Brissett doesn't throw a good long ball - he missed and open Polk Sunday. Do you dispute that?

 

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I don't typically say ANY professional athlete sucks, as they're doing something I could never do.

I like the tape I'm watching of him - is that really so hard for you to fathom? And it's not insulting - I didn't say he was better than anyone else.

The Patriots offense right now isn't geared for WRs - well, they did it more in the last game, I think (when they could have run a lot more). Do you dispute that?

Brissett doesn't throw a good long ball - he missed and open Polk Sunday. Do you dispute that?

Well since they are professionals I compare them to professionals, not amateur on the couch.

Receivers are about production. Do you honestly think you can properly evaluate him from watching on TV? Have you studied the All22?
It’s just a really huge statement to say a guy who is failing miserably to produce is doing great and it’s everyone else’s fault.

Every offense is geared toward WRs if they can get them open and get the ball to them. We aren’t talking about a guy who is on a 50 catch 600 yard pace and could do more with a better qb we are taking about a guy on a 30 catch 250 yard pace. Those numbers are about the worst in 29 years for a starting wr. Why didn’t cooper and peoples jones struggle as much?

What play are you referring to? Do you have a clip?