Grade the Patriots 2021 Free Agency

[Biffins]

He says motive for this is revenge over TFB winning a SB with TB. Lmao

Makes sense. That's why BB is on the hot seat.

 

[Bill Lee]

He says motive for this is revenge over TFB winning a SB with TB. Lmao

On what basis does he say this? His suppositions?

If that's so, anyone can make stuff up just like this.

I have a good one: Curran is running this stuff because he's bitter because his privileged access to the inner circle has been cut off.

I can even give a source for Curran being cut off: he himself said so on Bill Simmons's podcast!

So, if it's OK to go with "BB and RK are bitter because TB won a Super Bowl" then it's OK to go with "Curran is bitter and making stuff up because he's been cut off".

I prefer we'd just stop making up, but I guess that's the norm these days.

Given Curran admits he's cut off, where is he getting his insights from?

I think he's pulling them out of his ...

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Makes sense. That's why BB is on the hot seat.

Why do you think that?
Look at other teams and their roster building/FA spendings over years and record. They must change their coach then every year under this assumption.

 

[rochrist]

Here is what Kraft said to Peter King this week. Pretty telling. He knows this is not the best way to build a team to contend.

“We’ll see,” Kraft said with some caution. “I do remember we always made fun of the teams that spent a lot in the offseason. So we know nothing is guaranteed, and I’m very cognizant of that.”

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Also from King: Per the website Over The Cap, here are the five teams that spent the most in free agency from 2017-20, with the composite spending and their regular-season records over the period:

1. Jacksonville, $494.1 million, 22-42.
2. N.Y. Jets, $463.0 million, 18-46.
3. Buffalo, $457.1 million, 38-26.
4. Detroit, $444.7 million, 23-41.
5. Cleveland, $436.2 million, 24-39-1.

If you look at those teams, it has a lot more to do with the utterly dysfunctional team administration that it does with the fact that they spent money. That is decidedly not the case here.

 

[venecol]

On what basis does he say this? His suppositions?

If that's so, anyone can make stuff up just like this.

I have a good one: Curran is running this stuff because he's bitter because his privileged access to the inner circle has been cut off.

I can even give a source for Curran being cut off: he himself said so on Bill Simmons's podcast!

So, if it's OK to go with "BB and RK are bitter because TB won a Super Bowl" then it's OK to go with "Curran is bitter and making stuff up because he's been cut off".

I prefer we'd just stop making up, but I guess that's the norm these days.

Given Curran admits he's cut off, where is he getting his insights from?

I think he's pulling them out of his ...

He's been saying that crap forever.

 

[sb1]

Makes sense. That's why BB is on the hot seat.

BB is not on the hot seat for his job. Yet.

 

[Bill Lee]

Speaking of PFF:

 

[Biffins]

Why do you think that?
Look at other teams and their roster building/FA spendings over years and record. They must change their coach then every year under this assumption.

Don't they? They DO change their coaches that often.

Let's look at all current HC sorting by when they are hired.

Team	Coach	Hired
New England Patriots​	Bill Belichick​	2000
New Orleans Saints​	Sean Payton​	2006
Pittsburgh Steelers​	Mike Tomlin​	2007
Baltimore Ravens​	John Harbaugh​	2008
Seattle Seahawks​	Pete Carroll​	2010
Kansas City Chiefs​	Andy Reid​	2013
Minnesota Vikings​	Mike Zimmer​	2014
Buffalo Bills​	Sean McDermott​	2017
Los Angeles Rams​	Sean McVay​	2017
San Francisco 49ers​	Kyle Shanahan​	2017
Chicago Bears​	Matt Nagy​	2018
Indianapolis Colts​	Frank Reich​	2018
Las Vegas Raiders​	Jon Gruden​	2018
Tennessee Titans​	Mike Vrabel​	2018
Arizona Cardinals​	Kliff Kingsbury​	2019
Cincinnati Bengals​	Zac Taylor​	2019
Denver Broncos​	Vic Fangio​	2019
Green Bay Packers​	Matt LaFleur​	2019
Miami Dolphins​	Brian Flores​	2019
Tampa Bay Buccaneers​	Bruce Arians​	2019
Carolina Panthers​	Matt Rhule​	2020
Cleveland Browns​	Kevin Stefanski​	2020
Dallas Cowboys​	Mike McCarthy​	2020
New York Giants​	Joe Judge​	2020
Washington Football Team​	Ron Rivera​	2020
Atlanta Falcons​	Arthur Smith​	2021
Detroit Lions​	Dan Campbell​	2021
Houston Texans​	David Culley​	2021
Jacksonville Jaguars​	Urban Meyer​	2021
Los Angeles Chargers​	Brandon Staley​	2021
New York Jets​	Robert Saleh​	2021
Philadelphia Eagles​	Nick Sirianni​	2021

So ONLY 7 HCs were hired before 2017. That shows you how high the churn is. 25 of the HCs have only been around from 2017 or more recent.

HCs get fired ALL the time.

Now look at the HCs that have survived. Looks like they don't have multiple losing/crap seasons in general.

Sean Payton. Stretch of 7-9 seasons in 2014-2016. None worse than 7-9 in 14 seasons.
Mike Tomlin. No losing seasons in 14 seasons
John Harbaugh. 1 losing season in 2015 in 13 seasons.
Pete Carroll. Two 7-9 seasons to start his tenure but none since 2011.
Andy Reid. No losing season in 8 seasons with KC.
Mike Zimmer. Just went 7-9 after 6 winning seasons and is on the hot seat.

Is it really THAT crazy to think that if Patriots go worse than 7-9 this year, with 2 consecutive losing seasons and less than 7 wins this year, that BB would be in trouble?

 

[Biffins]

BB is not on the hot seat for his job. Yet.

Well I meant if he has a poor 2021.

 

[Biffins]

Speaking of PFF:

That's what I said, but they locked the thread.

 

[rochrist]

Don't they? They DO change their coaches that often.

Let's look at all current HC sorting by when they are hired.

Team	Coach	Hired
New England Patriots​	Bill Belichick​	2000
New Orleans Saints​	Sean Payton​	2006
Pittsburgh Steelers​	Mike Tomlin​	2007
Baltimore Ravens​	John Harbaugh​	2008
Seattle Seahawks​	Pete Carroll​	2010
Kansas City Chiefs​	Andy Reid​	2013
Minnesota Vikings​	Mike Zimmer​	2014
Buffalo Bills​	Sean McDermott​	2017
Los Angeles Rams​	Sean McVay​	2017
San Francisco 49ers​	Kyle Shanahan​	2017
Chicago Bears​	Matt Nagy​	2018
Indianapolis Colts​	Frank Reich​	2018
Las Vegas Raiders​	Jon Gruden​	2018
Tennessee Titans​	Mike Vrabel​	2018
Arizona Cardinals​	Kliff Kingsbury​	2019
Cincinnati Bengals​	Zac Taylor​	2019
Denver Broncos​	Vic Fangio​	2019
Green Bay Packers​	Matt LaFleur​	2019
Miami Dolphins​	Brian Flores​	2019
Tampa Bay Buccaneers​	Bruce Arians​	2019
Carolina Panthers​	Matt Rhule​	2020
Cleveland Browns​	Kevin Stefanski​	2020
Dallas Cowboys​	Mike McCarthy​	2020
New York Giants​	Joe Judge​	2020
Washington Football Team​	Ron Rivera​	2020
Atlanta Falcons​	Arthur Smith​	2021
Detroit Lions​	Dan Campbell​	2021
Houston Texans​	David Culley​	2021
Jacksonville Jaguars​	Urban Meyer​	2021
Los Angeles Chargers​	Brandon Staley​	2021
New York Jets​	Robert Saleh​	2021
Philadelphia Eagles​	Nick Sirianni​	2021

So ONLY 7 HCs were hired before 2017. That shows you how high the churn is. 25 of the HCs have only been around from 2017 or more recent.

HCs get fired ALL the time.

Now look at the HCs that have survived. Looks like they don't have multiple losing/crap seasons in general.

Sean Payton. Stretch of 7-9 seasons in 2014-2016. None worse than 7-9 in 14 seasons.
Mike Tomlin. No losing seasons in 14 seasons
John Harbaugh. 1 losing season in 2015 in 13 seasons.
Pete Carroll. Two 7-9 seasons to start his tenure but none since 2011.
Andy Reid. No losing season in 8 seasons with KC.
Mike Zimmer. Just went 7-9 after 6 winning seasons and is on the hot seat.

Is it really THAT crazy to think that if Patriots go worse than 7-9 this year, with 2 consecutive losing seasons and less than 7 wins this year, that BB would be in trouble?

Yes. But we're all aware that you're stalker level obsessed.

 

[50-yard-line]

BB is not on the hot seat for his job. Yet.

If the pats went 6-11 this year, BB STILL wouldn't be on the hot seat.

heck, even if they sucked it up worse than that, he wouldn't be on the hot seat.

 

[patfanken]

There are a few simple reasons that the Pats spent so much money in the early part of FA

1. They had the money
2. They NEEDED to improve the roster due to a stretch of bad drafting
3. The combination of the low cap number and the large number of teams in cap trouble created a market where even top of the market deals were relative bargains, and what looks like an overpay now will look pretty good in 2 years.

That's it, folks. If you think any of this was brought on by what happened with Brady then you really haven't been watching this team for the past 20 years....or Bill Bellichick. Tell me, at what point has Bill EVERY been an "all about me guy".....EVER? The fact is NEVER. Has he EVER tooted his own horn or fell into the hype about him being the GOAT...or any of that crap.

These media pukes who bring this petty sh!t up are only doing it because there are no more petty, vindictive, or selfish group of people than the guys who cover professional sports (mke reiss excepted). They think Bill would be petty about Brady's success because THEY sure would be if they'd were in Bill's shoes.

What Bill has been about for 20 years is trying to build the best football team he can, year in and year out. No one understands better about the ups and downs of the NFL life than Bill Bellichick. When Bill makes a bad pick, he doesn't dwell on, he just tries to find out what they missed and try to do better the next time.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Don't they? They DO change their coaches that often.

Let's look at all current HC sorting by when they are hired.

Team	Coach	Hired
New England Patriots​	Bill Belichick​	2000
New Orleans Saints​	Sean Payton​	2006
Pittsburgh Steelers​	Mike Tomlin​	2007
Baltimore Ravens​	John Harbaugh​	2008
Seattle Seahawks​	Pete Carroll​	2010
Kansas City Chiefs​	Andy Reid​	2013
Minnesota Vikings​	Mike Zimmer​	2014
Buffalo Bills​	Sean McDermott​	2017
Los Angeles Rams​	Sean McVay​	2017
San Francisco 49ers​	Kyle Shanahan​	2017
Chicago Bears​	Matt Nagy​	2018
Indianapolis Colts​	Frank Reich​	2018
Las Vegas Raiders​	Jon Gruden​	2018
Tennessee Titans​	Mike Vrabel​	2018
Arizona Cardinals​	Kliff Kingsbury​	2019
Cincinnati Bengals​	Zac Taylor​	2019
Denver Broncos​	Vic Fangio​	2019
Green Bay Packers​	Matt LaFleur​	2019
Miami Dolphins​	Brian Flores​	2019
Tampa Bay Buccaneers​	Bruce Arians​	2019
Carolina Panthers​	Matt Rhule​	2020
Cleveland Browns​	Kevin Stefanski​	2020
Dallas Cowboys​	Mike McCarthy​	2020
New York Giants​	Joe Judge​	2020
Washington Football Team​	Ron Rivera​	2020
Atlanta Falcons​	Arthur Smith​	2021
Detroit Lions​	Dan Campbell​	2021
Houston Texans​	David Culley​	2021
Jacksonville Jaguars​	Urban Meyer​	2021
Los Angeles Chargers​	Brandon Staley​	2021
New York Jets​	Robert Saleh​	2021
Philadelphia Eagles​	Nick Sirianni​	2021

So ONLY 7 HCs were hired before 2017. That shows you how high the churn is. 25 of the HCs have only been around from 2017 or more recent.

HCs get fired ALL the time.

Now look at the HCs that have survived. Looks like they don't have multiple losing/crap seasons in general.

Sean Payton. Stretch of 7-9 seasons in 2014-2016. None worse than 7-9 in 14 seasons.
Mike Tomlin. No losing seasons in 14 seasons
John Harbaugh. 1 losing season in 2015 in 13 seasons.
Pete Carroll. Two 7-9 seasons to start his tenure but none since 2011.
Andy Reid. No losing season in 8 seasons with KC.
Mike Zimmer. Just went 7-9 after 6 winning seasons and is on the hot seat.

Is it really THAT crazy to think that if Patriots go worse than 7-9 this year, with 2 consecutive losing seasons and less than 7 wins this year, that BB would be in trouble?

And whatus their Benefit of change HC that often? A rebuild after a rebuild and lot of inconsistency. Of course they can't be succesfull then. Rebuilds need time esp when you need to look for your franchise qb. Their must be a reason why they don't have succesd in the long run

 

[Biffins]

And whatus their Benefit of change HC that often? A rebuild after a rebuild and lot of inconsistency. Of course they can't be succesfull then. Rebuilds need time esp when you need to look for your franchise qb. Their must be a reason why they don't have succesd in the long run

I am just talking about the reality of NFL. There's a reason it's called "Not For Long". You underperform and you get booted. It happens to everyone.

 

[Patsgofor4]

That's what I said, but they locked the thread.

Cry some more....in how many different threads are you going to post the same whine? If you had posted that link, the thread, while unnecessary, would still be active. Instead, you went full d-bag troll.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I am just talking about the reality of NFL. There's a reason it's called "Not For Long". You underperform and you get booted. It happens to everyone.

I think he will have more credit, esp. since we went 7-9 with a inferior talent team which is like making the PO with a talented team to me. Also i can't see other Coaches who would do better here than BB.

 

[Kontradiction]

Speaking of PFF:

What a stupid Tweet in multiple ways. They got the two best TEs in FA. On top of that, Target has some nice stuff. Guy sounds like a dunce.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Speaking of PFF:

it's cute that this guy has made a career claiming he understands the game, but really, who is this guy beyond a self created mythological creature......

 

[Bill Lee]

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