Gilmore traded to Carolina

[PatsFanInVa]

https://twitter.com/BuffaloWins/status/1444859762160640007?s=20

That was lol funny

 

[Deus Irae]

Okay "everyone knew" that he wouldn't play for $7m, despite his contract to do so. Does everybody also know how the negotiation would have gone if he were healthy at the end of 2020? How about if our defensive backfield were sucking right now?

You're asking irrelevant questions in an effort to avoid just acknowledging the obvious. And, naturally, when you keep a player, you keep the risk of injury. That is, in fact, why first contract players were getting benched back in the day, in order to keep them from getting injured and having later years guaranteed.


Just take the "L".

 

[Hyped]

How did other teams not get in play and let him slip for a measly 6th round pick? That’s the real disaster in all of this.

AZ
SF
GB Aaron has got to be shaking his head
KC
SEA

These fans should be horrified.

This is why I think there is more to the story.....

 

[moosekill]

Another player poorly handled by Bill. I was in the camp to pay him for one more year and then let him go on his way. However, if you knew you weren’t going to budge on paying him in 2020, then trade him. Bill waited too long.

They weren't going to budge after he got hurt. That is the point in all this. If you knew he was going to get hurt, miss the end of the season and the first 6 games of this season, of course you trade him. If he had played all season last year and looked great they probably would have had either more offers or signed him to an extension.

 

[Biffins]

We should have traded him when he still had value.

Last year before season started. We knew last year was a goner with the amount of dead cap hits we had.

 

[TheRainMaker]

They weren't going to budge after he got hurt.

He wanted more money prior to this.

 

[moosekill]

This is why I think there is more to the story.....

He is hurt, is old, he is expensive, and he has one year left on his contract. Why would teams get in on a bidding war for him?

 

[Deus Irae]

They weren't going to budge after he got hurt. That is the point in all this. If you knew he was going to get hurt, miss the end of the season and the first 6 games of this season, of course you trade him. If he had played all season last year and looked great they probably would have had either more offers or signed him to an extension.

I thought you said that the point is that they weren't going to trade him because they were in the playoff hunt, even though they weren't in the playoff hunt.


Gilmore traded to Carolina

 

[venecol]

That was lol funny

Yup, the entire NFL is laughing. Lil Steven is a national joke. They caught Bill picking his teeth with a pencil on national tv.

I'm just watching all the drama in bewilderment. Next week, Wickersham's book comes out. More drama. Unfortunately, Bill is 8-12 since 2019, so even his pressers look pathetic. Not winning reduces exponentially what you can get away with.

 

[venecol]

He is hurt, is old, he is expensive, and he has one year left on his contract. Why would teams get in on a bidding war for him?

Who you talking about? Bill?

 

[catent]

Yup, the entire NFL is laughing. Lil Steven is a national joke. They caught Bill picking his teeth with a pencil on national tv.

I'm just watching all the drama in bewilderment. Next week, Wickersham's book comes out. More drama. Unfortunately, Bill is 8-12 since 2019, so even his pressers look pathetic. Not winning reduces exponentially what you can get away with.

"national joke"
"caught on national tv"
"watching all the drama in bewilderment ... more drama ... even his [Bill's] pressers look pathetic"

Just seems kind of ... cynical, yeah?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Jesus save my soul now.

Every soul can be saved but for you an exception has been made. You lose, no way, off you go with T Mazz's voice forever like a skipping record.

 

[moosekill]

I thought you said that the point is that they weren't going to trade him because they were in the playoff hunt, even though they weren't in the playoff hunt.


Gilmore traded to Carolina

Reading comprehension Deus. I was replying to a comment that since they weren't going to pay him more money, then they should have traded him earlier. My guess is they probably would have payed him more money to stay, if he hadn't gotten hurt and missed the end of last year and the beginning of this year. However, he did get hurt and he did miss time and he hasn't shown he is healthy and can play. So the Patriots decided not to sign him to a long term contract or give him lots more money to play.

It is just sad, if they had given him a huge new contract, most of the people here *****ing about it would be here *****ing that they gave a huge contract to a guy who was injured and hasn't been able to play for most of a year.

 

[venecol]

"national joke"
"caught on national tv"
"watching all the drama in bewilderment ... more drama ... even his [Bill's] pressers look pathetic"

Just seems kind of ... cynical, yeah?

It's a defense mechanism to stop me from curling in the corner in a fetal position.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

You're asking irrelevant questions in an effort to avoid just acknowledging the obvious. And, naturally, when you keep a player, you keep the risk of injury. That is, in fact, why first contract players were getting benched back in the day, in order to keep them from getting injured and having later years guaranteed.


Just take the "L".

Show me the big trade value for guys on the PUP list.

You not fckin Nostradamus because you wanted to trade a guy before he got injured. You're a guy saying "Hey look I was loud about something in 2020 that was right, better be loud about it again."

And ps, the actual conversation... "OMG we were going to let him go for nothing"... that is a head-scratcher (as is "OMG we only got a 6th."). Nobody's defending ****, nobody needs to "take an L," I'm just suspicious when everybody breaks their arms off patting their own backs about how terrible we did and what a smart move they woulda coulda shoulda made. If only Kraft hired you guys.

I've had that feeling before. Hanging on to JG (for example) until we only got a 5th for him ... at the moment the deal got made? Or once again, would we should we could we have done better than a 5th? Who was offering higher?

What are the mechanics? Is he just arrogant and doesn't care about, or doesn't understand, the value of the draft picks? Is he stupid? Or is it possible that he's holding open options that ended up too late for the particular cases, but were spot on for other well regarded players... e.g., the Seymour deal, his first payday?

It's really easy to say "oh he just ain't got it" if you think the guy can't build winning teams. Except that's pretty much what he does. I can understand if you're after some nebbish - but really, what's your explanation for how BB is so consistently outperformed by every bozo with a Patsfans account, yet presides over a 20 year reign over the NFL?

Seems more likely that you have an incomplete mental model of what's transpiring. That is also true of me. The difference is I know it.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Yup, the entire NFL is laughing. Lil Steven is a national joke. They caught Bill picking his teeth with a pencil on national tv.

I'm just watching all the drama in bewilderment. Next week, Wickersham's book comes out. More drama. Unfortunately, Bill is 8-12 since 2019, so even his pressers look pathetic. Not winning reduces exponentially what you can get away with.

Climb down off the ledge. I give myself a year or two more of polyannahood. I think we'll be fine. And don't be so concerned that other fanbases are lovin' us being down. Of course they are. They'll laugh until we're back.

 

[venecol]

Climb down off the ledge. I give myself a year or two more of polyannahood. I think we'll be fine. And don't be so concerned that other fanbases are lovin' us being down. Of course they are. They'll laugh until we're back.

Oh I wasn't expecting anything this season at all. I never drank the "we won the offseason SB" kool-aid. I'm ok. Just enthralled with everything that's happening. It's kinda like watching "I See Dead People" for the first time and not realizing the dude is dead the whole time. Fascinating, really.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

An' another thing.

This was from March...

Stephon Gilmore's season-ending quad injury now hampering potential trade from Patriots, per report

Gilmore has been at the center of trade rumors

www.cbssports.com

The gist is, some lady said in 2020 before the trade deadline that "GMs around the league" felt the Pats would only move him for a first and a player. So is the idea that we valued him too highly then and too low now?

Or is she just another bozo reporting what "everyone knows"? I would say probably the latter, actually... If she actually had a source who'd go on the record saying "Oh yeah no way they move him except for a first and a player, put my name on that..." that's at least idle speculation from a named source rather than unsourced gossip.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Oh I wasn't expecting anything this season at all. I never drank the "we won the offseason SB" kool-aid. I'm ok. Just enthralled with everything that's happening. It's kinda like watching "I See Dead People" for the first time and not realizing the dude is dead the whole time. Fascinating, really.

Wait, that dude was... ? Oh MAN

 

[VJCPatriot]

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So, this is a write up touching on Michael Thomas' situation. Apparently, the concept of a trade didn't seem to come into play until he was healthy. Why not now, analogous to our hypothesis that BB should have traded Gilmore while he was on the PUP?

Again, any examples of guys getting traded off the PUP list? For all I know somebody will cough up a first rounder for Thomas tomorrow, but the way this is written makes it look like it's not done. I just don't know this answer, but it seems like an answer to know if anybody is talking about how we shoulda traded him after the quad injury last december. (It could also just be that the Saints would have to trade or roster him once healthy, and wouldn't want to use a spot on him... hence the "once he's healthy" clause.)

10 NFL players who would benefit from trade ahead of deadline

Following C.J. Henderson’s trade from the Jaguars to the Panthers, here’s 10 players who could be shopped before the NFL trade deadline.

www.nbcsports.com

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Michael Thomas​

Michael Thomas will miss the first six weeks this season after being placed on the physically unable to perform list with an ankle injury. The 2019 NFL Offensive Player of the Year had ankle surgery in June -- oddly late in the NFL offseason, which drew some criticism from head coach Sean Payton. He also missed nine games last year due to the nagging ankle injury, which made the decision to delay surgery even more questionable.

When Thomas is on the field, there’s no denying his talent. He surpassed 90 receptions in his first four NFL seasons, and led the league in catches with 125 in 2018 and 149 in 2019. Thomas was named First-Team All-Pro each of those years. The Saints could use him in 2021, but bad blood with his coach might be enough to force a trade once he’s healthy.

If BB parlays that 6th round pick from Gilmore into Michael Thomas all is forgiven, but I doubt he even has this player on his radar. LOL