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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    The Defense has lots of key free agents. In addition Jason McCourty and Chung may or may not be back. Personally, I don't have a plan or a solution, other than to focus all our cap focus on Defense (other than signing or re-signing a QB). I don't see us spending lots of cap money of TE's and WR's (yes, would could use Sanu money for WR's).

    Let us say that we have $25M to spend, leaving $5M for later minor free agents and draftees. I listed Slater and Ebner, since the $25M would need to cover them also.

    This analysis presumes that we use $13.5M of new money on Brady and $6M on signing free agents on offense.

    FREE AGENTS
    Shelton
    Butler (RFA)
    Calhoun
    Collins
    Van Noy
    Roberts
    Devin McCourty
    Slater
    Ebner

    It may be necessary to list who is signed for 2020
    DL: Guy, Wise, Simon, Cowart
    LB: Bentley, Winovich
    CB: Gilmore, Jackson, Jones, Williams, (McCourty)
    S : Harmon, Brooks, (Chung), Obiwann
     
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    Chung isn't big cap savings, not sure why he wouldn't be back at a $6M cap hit.

    This will all work out, they can add $12M by cutting Jason McCourty, Harmon and Gostkowski. Lots of other savings options, I just picked them.
     
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    Hightower is not a FA. Buyler us an RFA i believe.

    I would let all walk (and cut hightower saving 9m), except collins and shelton if they're cheap. Butler will stay too.

    This is where bad drafting really crushes them.
     
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    I'd see if I could extend Hightower for less savings but the point is good, there's lots of savings to be had. Would have to rebuild the defense but it's getting old and the time is coming regardless.
     
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    Hightower is not a free agent
    What about winovch?
    Butler is under control.
     
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    There aren't lot, but we'll discuss the opportunities over the months. IMO, cutting Harmon is a really bad idea. That would leave us with oft-injured Chung and Brooks. Besides, Harmon is worth $4.25M.

    This will all work out, they can add $12M by cutting Jason McCourty, Harmon and Gostkowski. Lots of other savings options, I just picked them.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Harmon has been very valuable
     
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    Tell free agent Tommy that the plan is to spend $6 mill on offense
     
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    To be clear, I hope that Chung is healthy enough to play another year.

     
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    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Overthgcap lists an extension of Hightower as saving $5.6M. I don't know the assumed terms.

    I would expect to lose Van Noy and Collins.

    How much might the 2020 cap be on the following, presuming 3 year contracts?
    Shelton
    Butler
    Calhoun
    Roberts
    McCourty (my guess is $10M for McCourty with the normal cap tricks)

    I suspect that we could have them all if we want for $16M or so of 2020 cap money. That wouldn't result in a lot of change, presuming the extension of Hightower. So, the total net cost would be about $20M, not bad at all; pretty normal I think.

    Basically, we would return a top 5 defense, except for Van Noy and Collins. I would presume that we'd sign a FA LB or two and draft one.

     
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    :)

    Tommy never gets told.

     
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    Suggest to Tommy that his new weapons will be 20 year old mid round comp picks and a $6 mill Sanu-like tortoise
     
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    I could see the safety situation w/o Chung & DMac. In that scenario, I would predict Harmon & Brooks. But I’d also expect to see Harmon & J Jones. In that scenario, I could see JoeJuan on the first to cover tall receivers or TEs.
     
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    That’s not the plan
     
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    Shelton, Roberts and Calhoun has a combined cap of 3.7. None will command more. Butler is an rfa. If you extend Hightower and save 5 mill he will cover almost all of that. McCourty won’t have a 10 mill cap number.
    If you let McCourty go, the whole thing cost a net of barely more than zero, not 20 mill. Keep McCourty or sign another guy in his place at about a 7 mill hit, extend Brady but Sanu and you still have over 30 mill.
     
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    For the defensive line, I think we resign Shelton and butler. In addition, we need to sign a Shawn Robinson as a free agent. And if Andrews is coming back healthy, we trade back into the second round of the draft and take Davis of Alabama,

    our first string d line becomes Davis, Shelton and Robinson. Our second string defense becomes guy, cowart and butler.
     
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    For the secondary, d mccourty will have serious suitors. He can get a big payday by leaving, but I think we resign him at a relatively affordable price.

    I think we should sign Poole as a free agent CB.

    that leaves us Gilmore, Jackson, Jones, Poole, and j mccourty as corners.

    at safety we have d mccourty, Harmon, Chung, Williams and obi.

    this is a seriously talented secondary.
     
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    Sanu is likely an extension/renegotiation or cut.

    I think DMac will be back here or will retire (or maybe Tennessee?).

    Shelton will be re-signed unless he wants lots of green. I think Collins may be back, though I doubt Van Noy returns.
     
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    Collins in my opinion was part of the problem with the run defense. Add in the free lancing that started about half way through the season and I think we let him go.
     
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    Why would you spend all your money on defense? They had a defense that held KC to 23 and Tennessee to 14, yet the offense was so bad that on multiple occasions the coach thought his team's best chance to score was via a blocked punt as opposed to his offense mounting a 70 yard TD drive in crunch time.
    If you think the return of Develin, another year older NKeal Savior Harry, and the maybe return of Andrews is the answer to the offense that'll all of a sudden churn out 4th late TD drive after TD drive and score 24-27+ a game, then more power to ya...but it ain't happening.. because if the team put all the $ to the Defense, where's the offensive improvement coming from?
    From the Baltimore game on, including the Tennessee embarrassment (excluding the Cincinnati game) the offense AVERAGED 16.5 ppg...you cannot win in the NFL consistently through a season if you score 16 ppg.
     
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