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He would vote for Paul brownHopefully it is Belichick ...
Bill would probably vote for Curly I think.
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Bill would probably vote for Curly I think.
I like Walsh for his innovations to the game. The only thing Shula added was a grumpy assed **** and a bad Steakhouse. Other than that, agree.top five are BB, Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, and Tom Landry
Bill Walsh is a contender but his career was way shorter than these guys.
I was not impressed with "Shula's" at all.I like Walsh for his innovations to the game. The only thing Shula added was a grumpy assed **** and a bad Steakhouse. Other than, agree.
A prime cut.First cut, Tony Dungy.
I accidentally posted that before I finished. But you are correct.Excellent, Ken. I’d add one more:
The era in which you coached.
Specifically, pre-free agency versus post. Before 1996, teams had players in their control. Pitt could hold the same personnel for 6 years and win 4 Super Bowls. Green Bay could do the same. Most of these coaches had their success pre-free agency.
Belichick has had his team in contention for almost 20 years... and now in 8 straight AFCCG’s.... having to essentially rebuild every year or every other. Pre-free agency, you could make an argument for Lombardi or Brown or or Noll or maybe some of the others. Post-free agency... there is only one choice. BB.
IMHO that says a hell of a lot.
Halas.The only guys that can even be considered for number one other than BB would be Landry, Lombardi, and Brown
Not sure if anyone here watched their top 100 “game changers” episodes, but they included Landry at 19, Lombardi at 12, Belichick at 11, Walsh at 5 (!!!), and Brown at 1.top five are BB, Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, and Tom Landry
Bill Walsh is a contender but his career was way shorter than these guys.
What does that mean?? He was still a great coach, put together one of the great coaching staffs in his time. Won SB with 3 different QB's. Granted he had a great owner and when JKC died the run dried up. JG was also a great offensive coach.Joe Gibbs years of service dont match reality
Definitely underappreciated. Never given the credit he deserved. SBIII still one of my all time favorite games.Weeb Ewbank was a tough cut. Built those 50s Johnny U teams and the 68 Jets into a winner.
In hindsight I'd probably put him back on.
This got me thinking about what makes a GREAT HC.
Leadership - which in the end is a function of Credibility and the Culture you develop with your team
Strategy - What you do to give your team an edge
Game day presence - As Bill said today (and I paraphrase) Football is like war. You know going in that whatever plan you have going in, once the game starts, it all falls apart and you have to adjust on the fly
Contributions to the game: What are the things you brought to the game over time, that made it better.
This is why I think each of these guys are on this list (briefly)
Bill Belichick (1991-1995; 2000-current) see below
Paul Brown (1946-1962; 1968-1975) The most important innovator in NFL history (as noted by others)
Guy Chamberlin (1922-1927) First time I ever heard his name
Tony Dungy (1996-2008) ran 2 relatively successful teams over 13 seasons
Weeb Ewbank (1954-1973) Coached the Jets and lived to tell about it.
Joe Gibbs (1954-1973) Won 3 superbowls with 3 DIFFERENT QB's
Sid Gillman (1955-1969; 1973-1974) - Helped reinvent the modern passing game
Bud Grant (1954-1973) - won a LOTof games over a LOT of years
George Halas (1920-1929; 1933-1967) - coached a LOT of years
Curly Lambeau (1921-1953) - has a field named after him
Tom Landry (1960-1988) - another great innovator who won superbowls and built a very strong and long lasting culture
Marv Levy (1978-1982; 1986-1997) - went the the superbowl 4 consecutive years (and is Jewish)
Vince Lombardi (1959-1967; 1969) - The best HC of HIS era.
John Madden (1969-1978) - Doesn't belong on this list
Chuck Noll (1969-1991) - Won 4 superbowls
Steve Owen (1930-1953) - Evidently coached a long time
Bill Parcells (1983-1990; 1993-1999; 2003-2006) - Front running, self promoter, who could build teams, but not maintain them
Fritz Pollard (1918-1921; 1925, 1928) Historically important
Don Shula (1963-1995) - Hate the guy, but he sure did win a LOT of football games.
Bill Walsh (1979-1988) - Very successful but also a great innovator. One of my favs.
Why Bellichick is #1
1. He'd done it for a LONG time. People try to down grade his time in Cleveland, but it took a lot longer to build a team in those days, and he built a good one before the owner chopped his legs out from under him. His success in NE needs no explanation.
2. He's been a great innovator and has led many transitions in the league. When 90% of the league was running a 4-3, he ran a 3-4, and within a decade most teams were running 3-4's (which was when he went back to the 4-3 )
He was the first to run 2 TE's as a base in this century. When football was getting rid of the FB position, he developed on of the best and made him a staple of the offense. As well as other innovations or reinventions.
3. Perhaps the most important innovation that has helped this run of success in NE was creating the environment where within a week he could give his team the advantage of week-specific game plans on both offense and defense.
There is a REASON why every team in the league doesn't do this. Semantics plays a big part in this. Bill has, over the years, created a language that allows a great deal of information to be dispensed in very few words. He has created a culture of SMART football players who can learn fast enough and be positionally flexible enough to be able to execute a different plan every week.
I don't think there has EVER been a head coach who has shown he can win with ANY system that helps him win football games. Who has proven over and over again that he will use whatever "system" happens to fit the talent that he has in a particular year.
There have been football players who have come through NE over the last 20 years. Many have succeeded, some have failed to different degrees, but in EVERY case that player was a better player going out, than he was coming in, and THAT is greatness in a HC. Just listen to what Michael Bennett said about him today.
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4. Good football play is a function of good coaching. A much overlooked aspect of being a great HC is the development of assistant coaches, because no ONE coach can do it all. You have to have good assistants and to get them, most of the time you have to develop them. Create a program where coaches can LEARN to be eventual important contributors to the effort. Bill has done that in spades. Very few big name assistants. Very few former players. (though I love the fact that Troy and Mayo are on the staff.) Mostly a lot of no name guys who have gone from gofers, "quality control" assistants, to assistant position coaches, to position coaches, to coordinators, and beyond.
5. The LONG TERM success of Bill Bellichick who is coaching in the era of free agency, salary caps, and a draft system that is supposed to create mediocrity is simply astounding. No one else can even come close. I love guys like Walsh and Brown who innovated so much. But they won in part BECAUSE of those innovations. And when they weren't "innovations" anymore, it got harder to win.
The Ravens are winning because they are running an offense that was the "in thing" in the 1930's And what makes Bill such a great coach is how he will adjust to what is unique in today's game. Hopefully it will happen at our next meeting, but if not, by next season. Because that is what makes Bill the GOAT.
Nah. I think he'd pick Paul Brown. I might do the same. Gotta think about it. Between the two of them for 1 and 2, IMHO. Walsh was an innovator, but he didn't coach long enough.Hopefully it is Belichick ...
Bill would probably vote for Curly I think.
I used to be in that camp, but I've reconsidered over the years. No one could turn teams around better than Parcells. And, without Parcells, the odds that BB would be HC of the NEP are pretty long.I love this review. I cringe when people want him in the Pats HOF. Does not belong on the list.
"Bill Parcells (1983-1990; 1993-1999; 2003-2006) - Front running, self promoter, who could build teams, but not maintain them"
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