PATRIOTS NEWS Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Ring 6]

Anything is possible, Andy; but I would imagine that if the D.A.'s office wanted someone to sign the warrant they probably wouldn't have that hard of a time.

There needs to be evidence to arrest someone.

On top of that, it would be a major no-no for them to use the prospect of "making up" a warrant out of nowhere.

The media makes things up all the time, even if by misunderstanding.

A paper warrant that is held by the lead detective/shot caller is one thing; that happens all the time, especially in cases where they desire more important information.

I'm not really sure there is such a thing as a 'paper warrant'. It makes no sense to me, you either have a warrant for someones arrest or you do not. Thatwas my point,this euphamism must mean something, and perhaps it is that they applied for a warrant and were rebuffed.

"Making up" a warrant out of thin air would be something altogether different, but like I said--anything is possible in any situation, so nothing would surprise me anymore.

One thing to keep in mind is that our version of tampering/destroying those items may actually be different than what the reality was, so in that regard you could be correct.

Its rumor, we don't know who tampered with it, or if there is anyway to prove it, or what AH said when asked about it.

As Deus stated, there are several very important factors they'd have to prove to be able to get that charge to stick, so to speak; and being on a big stage can sometimes make borderline decisions a bit different than in regular circumstances. They may not want to take a shot with circumstantial evidence or a weak case for the OOJ charge and then lose.

Agree

Another important thing to determine is whether they'd be charges in the state of Mass. or federal charges of OOJ, because I don't believe that all OOJ charges are felonies in the state setting, although I'm not sure of the specifics in this instance obviously. They may not feel that charging him with OOJ in a state setting that isn't a felony would be worth it--especially if he has indeed cooperated on any level whatsoever. They aren't trying to solve an OOJ case obviously, as their murder case is the certain top priority. If they feel that AH can be of any service to them whatsoever now or in the future (and we don't know if he has helped or not), then the common sense choice would be not to charge him with something that is a 1st/2nd degree misdemeanor.

We just don't know, and that is another example of what we don't.

It'd be a waste of time and also a waste of a possible helpful resource in the sense that it's at least better than what they may have, even if his cooperation has been limited to this point.

And I think the point is that the arrest warrant issue, and arrest imminent was poor reporting.

 

[BSR]

thank you, I have not kept up with it . . . so then it is still possible that ABC is correct and the police have not acted on executing the warrant . . .

Why would they draw up a warrant if they aren't going to execute it?

 

[Yehoodi]

Why would they draw up a warrant if they aren't going to execute it?

I don't know why really . . . then again why would a person destroy his security system days after a murder in his neighborhood if he is innocent, why is he quiet, why was his cell phone destroyed if he is innocent of any crime . . . and so on

we can not always draw conclusions based on something that has not been affirmed (denial by the authorities they did not seek a warrant or in AH's case more affirmative evidence of AH guilty)

I really don't why they would be holding on to a warrant, perhaps for leverage against AH, we have a warrant do you want to help, perhaps they wanted to start there and then look for more evidence, etc . . .

my only point is that until it is affirmed that ABC is incorrect, I am not so sure they are wrong . . .

 

[BadMoFo]

The lawyer didn't deny any wrongdoing by his client, just that the reporting on the arrest warrant was incorrect, was is obvious. Some people are acting like Aaron Hernandez's name has been cleared.

 

[fnordcircle]

The lawyer didn't deny any wrongdoing by his client, just that the reporting on the arrest warrant was incorrect, was is obvious. Some people are acting like Aaron Hernandez's name has been cleared.

Exactly. 48 hours with no arrest warrant issued doesn't make him any less of a suspect.

We know as much now as a certainty as we did last week. Until there is some statement that he is cleared as a suspect or he has a trial nothing has really changed.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Since journalists' expertise is in researching and reporting news stories, they should be held accountable for failures in their research. If they could simply hide behind the fact that they don't have substantive knowledge of the issues they are covering, there would be no accountability whatsoever.

So-called sports journalists get cap issues wrong time after time with no accountability. Unconscionable because resources like Miguel's cap page and the excellent "Over the Cap" page exist for them to check their facts before spewing out an article.

Think about this agenda driven incompetence next time you read or see on TV politics covered.

 

[Rob0729]

What I was pointing out is that Hernandez started using drugs and hanging out with these people AFTER his father died. The kid went downhill fast. In fact, one of the reasons (per Hernandez himself) for decommitting from UConn (where his older brother was the starting QB) for Florida was to get away from friends from his senior year.

In every report I've ever read about him during this period (we are talking about 5 years ago) it emphasizes how his father--an ass't football coach--was a disciplinarian, and how Aaron was having a really hard time coping with his death. This stuff came out BEFORE Aaron had even enrolled at U. Florida.

You are assuming this. He could have already been a drug user and associating with gangs long before his father died. He might have been a very different person at school and out of school.

All these reports talk about Hernandez the student athlete, not Aaron Hernandez the teenager. We hear about his commitment and dedication to sports, but we don't hear about what he did in the offseason and away from school.

I can speak for personal experiences in my high school that some of the most dedicated athletes at my school were also among the biggest coke heads at my school. But if you were looking at them from a teacher's or coach's POV, they were the model students that they wished their own kids were like.

Point is that the Aaron Hernandez these coaches saw may not be the real Aaron Hernandez. Or at least the Aaron Hernandez outside of school. I bet there are plenty of people in the Pats' organization who see Hernandez on a daily basis who didn't know the type of people he was caught up with outside of the stadium.

Hernandez could have gone down hill quickly after his father died, but I tend to doubt it. From most reports he wasn't a bad guy just his friends. That tells me that these guys may be lifelong friends who took a different path and Hernandez never cut them loose.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I think we can claim ABC is wrong by the fact that he hasn't been arrested yet.

I believe the source for the ABC warrant story is local crime reporter Michelle Macphee. Between all the misinformation from Boston police sources in the Marathon Bombing and this fiasco, were it up to me I'd consider developing more sober "sources". No more free donuts until better leak info is forthcoming!

 

[JMC00]

The lawyer didn't deny any wrongdoing by his client, just that the reporting on the arrest warrant was incorrect, was is obvious. Some people are acting like Aaron Hernandez's name has been cleared.

Until the police officially charge Hernandez, he won't. Hernandez simply not being arrested speaks for him.

That's like first week law school stuff.

 

[BSR]

I don't know why really . . . then again why would a person destroy his security system days after a murder in his neighborhood if he is innocent, why is he quiet, why was his cell phone destroyed if he is innocent of any crime . . . and so on

we can not always draw conclusions based on something that has not been affirmed (denial by the authorities they did not seek a warrant or in AH's case more affirmative evidence of AH guilty)

I really don't why they would be holding on to a warrant, perhaps for leverage against AH, we have a warrant do you want to help, perhaps they wanted to start there and then look for more evidence, etc . . .

my only point is that until it is affirmed that ABC is incorrect, I am not so sure they are wrong . . .

The criticism is centered around the news reporting of this supposed warrant which gave the sense that AH was actively being sought to be placed under arrest. Not that he could be arrested or that they might threaten him with arrest or that they might in the future arrest him. The police affirmed that that ABC was incorrect in their implication that they were going to arrest him by not arresting him. I don't think the police need to come out and announce that they haven't arrested AH to show us that AH hasn't been arrested.

 

[BradyManny]

Maybe ABC got it from Erika Leigh.

Seriously though:
Hernandez' lawyer - 1
Media - 0

 

[ctpatsfan77]

What I was pointing out is that Hernandez started using drugs and hanging out with these people AFTER his father died. The kid went downhill fast. In fact, one of the reasons (per Hernandez himself) for decommitting from UConn (where his older brother was the starting QB) for Florida was to get away from friends from his senior year.

In every report I've ever read about him during this period (we are talking about 5 years ago) it emphasizes how his father--an ass't football coach--was a disciplinarian, and how Aaron was having a really hard time coping with his death. This stuff came out BEFORE Aaron had even enrolled at U. Florida.

As but one example, he didn't start turning his body into a canvas until after his father died.

 

[BrickPat]

As but one example, he didn't start turning his body into a canvas until after his father died.

Obscure reference but I saw an AH interview where he explained the tat on his arm "If it is to be, it is up to me" came from his father.

 

[zoostation]

I believe the source for the ABC warrant story is local crime reporter Michelle Macphee. Between all the misinformation from Boston police sources in the Marathon Bombing and this fiasco, were it up to me I'd consider developing more sober "sources". No more free donuts until better leak info is forthcoming!

Yeah - She was on EEI last night both back peddling and defending her mistake all at the same time. Her spin sounded like some of the knuckle headed "weekend detectives" I run into at work. I almost had to laugh as I know it's all in the name of ratings and notoriety. The problem is her irresponsible spew is going out to a half million people out in radio land inevitably producing more "weekend detectives" armed with false facts (or sensationalized partial truths).

 

[patsinthesnow]

Well, the local media has nothing to talk about with the Bruins season over, and four days should be enough of talking Lebron for ESPN. Expect the mob to rev up again. Can't wait to hear Felger and Spazz's expert legal takes.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Yeah - She was on EEI last night both back peddling and defending her mistake all at the same time. Her spin sounded like some of the knuckle headed "weekend detectives" I run into at work. I almost had to laugh as I know it's all in the name of ratings and notoriety. The problem is her irresponsible spew is going out to a half million people out in radio land inevitably producing more "weekend detectives" armed with false facts (or sensationalized partial truths).

As someone who can't abide the screeching voice of this police groupie, what was her excuse(s)?

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

The lawyer didn't deny any wrongdoing by his client, just that the reporting on the arrest warrant was incorrect, was is obvious. Some people are acting like Aaron Hernandez's name has been cleared.

The lawyer likely has no idea whether Hernandez is innocent or not, so at this point it would be reckless for him to make statements that remove his flexibility later.

Add me to the list, though, that thinks the statement was a bit weird. It didn't tell us anything we didn't already know and it keeps his client in the press. I guess they thought it was a warning shot across the bow of the press, to try to control the situation and maybe a veiled threat of a defamation suit if they don't control themselves. But it won't work. The next development in the case will be reported with the same gusto and inaccuracies. Also, that kind of stuff rubs law enforcement's nose in it. They tried to control that with some half-hearted stuff in the statement about respect the job the police are doing, but everyone knows that's bullcrap and the fact of the statement is more important than it's content.

A statement like that makes everyone feel better in the short term, but does little good in the long term.

Ropes and Gray is a great firm. I have a hard time believing that statement was lawyer-driven. Obviously, I'm speculating, but my best guess is that the statement was client-driven, and the lawyer did the best he could with it in the drafting.

 

[Yehoodi]

The criticism is centered around the news reporting of this supposed warrant which gave the sense that AH was actively being sought to be placed under arrest. Not that he could be arrested or that they might threaten him with arrest or that they might in the future arrest him. The police affirmed that that ABC was incorrect in their implication that they were going to arrest him by not arresting him. I don't think the police need to come out and announce that they haven't arrested AH to show us that AH hasn't been arrested.

I know but you are still assuming . . . there are three parts to the process

1) Application for a Warrant
2) Approval by the Court
3) Execution of the Warrant

The fact that #3 has not happened 4 days after 1 and 2 are supposed to have happened, does not mean that 1 and 2 did not occur four days ago . . .

Yes I see the implication, but if 1 and 2 are a fact and do exist and have so since Friday and the police have held on #3 is no fault of ABC . . . how is ABC going to know the police are not going to execute the warrant right way . . .

it is an unlikely occurrence but it does not mean it did not happen, time will tell . . .

 

[Rob0729]

As but one example, he didn't start turning his body into a canvas until after his father died.

Was it because of his father or the laws of tattooing. In CT, you cannot get a tattoo under 18 without parental consent. Same in NY. In RI, it is illegal for anyone under 18 to get a tattoo.

So his father died when he was 16. It just may have been that he had no opportunity to until he turned 18.

 

[JMC00]

I know but you are still assuming . . . there are three parts to the process

1) Application for a Warrant
2) Approval by the Court
3) Execution of the Warrant

The fact that #3 has not happened 4 days after 1 and 2 are supposed to have happened, does not mean that 1 and 2 did not occur four days ago . . .

Yes I see the implication, but if 1 and 2 are a fact and do exist and have so since Friday and the police have held on #3 is no fault of ABC . . . how is ABC going to know the police are not going to execute the warrant right way . . .

it is an unlikely occurrence but it does not mean it did not happen, time will tell . . .

Because a criminal clerk in North Attleboro said one hadn't been signed.