PATRIOTS NEWS Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Deus Irae]

Here ya go Deus:



No arrests in murder of Dorchester man who was acquainted with New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez - Boston.com

And, that's not a claim about the four together. It's just about Hernandez and the victim. That sort of illustrates my point about these reports being all over the place.




Grain of salt is the way to go here, really, until we get actual test results, an arrest or an official statement.

 

[Yehoodi]

Sure. I was just responding to the facts = reports aspect. I don't find that correlation to be a fair one. Facts are, theoretically, actual facts, while reports (especially fast moving reports on big stories) are understood to be notoriously unreliable.

agreed there is a degree of flux in reports especially at the early stages of events . . . hopefully in the near future we will see less flux and things, for the most part, will align themselves so we can then have a closer to the point discussion on the matter . . . understand . . .

 

[ravensgamer]

Nick Underhill ?@Nick_Underhill 1m
A grizzled reporter told me to only believe about 20 percent of what I hear in news about this case. Seems worth passing along after today.

I wouldn't be surprised...

Aside from there being a dead guy, has anything that we've heard so far turned out to be correct or confirmed on the record by the police?

BTW, it's kind of odd to see posts about how the Pats should spend the cap money they'll have after Hernandez is locked up. It's as if some people would prefer that he was involved.

 

[PP2]

Re: Hernandez likely to be arrested!

if they have enough evidence they will..but we don't know what they have...

I surmise that they have what they need to prosecute Hernandez but are going to take their time and be very deliberate in their prosecution because this is such a high profile case, and Hernandez is represented by Ropes & Grey, a huge, global law firm which probably has influence over where the case gets docketed.

I would say that when they have all they can possibly get, they'll then file charges and the likely scenario is Hernandez will be requested to turn himself in, and his lawyers will then try to arrange for a plea bargain.

 

[belichick010405]

agreed there is a degree of flux in reports especially at the early stages of events . . . hopefully in the near future we will see less flux and things, for the most part, will align themselves so we can then have a closer to the point discussion on the matter . . . understand . . .

I just re-watched Bob Ward's report on Fox25 and I think that the work that they have done on this story is credible.

They have interviewed Hernandez's neighbors, have confirmed from "their sources" which could be from MSP that the surveillance hard drive was "heavily damaged, and have confirmed that he was in Dorchester within an hour of the incident.

Additionally, and in case no one has said this yet, the neighbors (as in more than one neighbor) heard "gunshots" (yes, gunshots) around 3 to 330 AM Monday morning.

If their report is accurate, which you would hope that it is because this report is citing what appears to be multiple interviews, then this latest report from Bob Ward at Fox25 has to be taken at its face as a credible report.

 

[Mack Herron]

And, that's not a claim about the four together. It's just about Hernandez and the victim. That sort of illustrates my point about these reports being all over the place.




Grain of salt is the way to go here, really, until we get actual test results, an arrest or an official statement.

The claim was that AHern and the victim were separated by days. I am merely showing that there are reports placing AHern with the victim hours before the murder. You were the one who mentioned 4 guys, but since you did:

On Wednesday, a source told FOX 25 Hernandez, Lloyd, and two other men were at a bar in Boston the night of the homicide, and at some point, the four men left together in a car driven by Hernandez which was confirmed by a text Lloyd sent another friend.

It is unclear where the car went or what happened during the ride, but according to the source only three men returned to Hernandez's home at the end of the night and Lloyd was not one of them.

The source also says forensic evidence places a vehicle driven by Hernandez at one of the crime scenes in this case.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22...-involving-pats-te-hernandez-ruled-a-homicide

 

[belichick010405]

Aside from there being a dead guy, has anything that we've heard so far turned out to be correct or confirmed on the record by the police?

BTW, it's kind of odd to see posts about how the Pats should spend the cap money they'll have after Hernandez is locked up. It's as if some people would prefer that he was involved.

The Bob Ward report from Fox25 is about as credible of a report as there is right now and based on what has been reported, it appears that they did a pretty good job in uncovering some salient facts that were not reported in the past including multiple gun shots at 3 to 330 AM which have been reported to MSP.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...n-hernandez/dwNR8ApiB5SARdWYxZGOPO/story.html

and the Boston Globe report confirms that Lloyd was "shot multiple times" which confirms the reporting from Ward considering the Globe report is coming from "law enforcement officials".

 

[Deus Irae]

The claim was that AHern and the victim were separated by days. I am merely showing that there are reports placing AHern with the victim hours before the murder.

I get that, but it was not your initial pull.


You found one report that conflicts with others or at least may conflict with others, which is the overall point I've been trying to make here:

There was a report that a Hernandez arrest was imminent. He's still not been arrested, so someone's definition of imminent needs some work.

There's a report that the gun on the scene couldn't be the murder weapon because the caliber is wrong, yet there's nothing out that's told us what the calibers actually were.

There's a report that the killing was done in a different location and the location was a dropoff, but there's been no report of any other nearby location found to have been the murder site. Why would that be important? Because..... there's a report about neighbors claiming to have heard shots and to have seen Hernandez coming home around the time of the shooting.


This stuff is all over the place, it's sometimes conflicting, and it's sometimes at least incomplete.

 

[fumbrunner]

I get that, but it was not your initial pull.


You found one report that conflicts with others or at least may conflict with others, which is the overall point I've been trying to make here:

There was a report that a Hernandez arrest was imminent. He's still not been arrested, so someone's definition of imminent needs some work.

There's a report that the gun on the scene couldn't be the murder weapon because the caliber is wrong, yet there's nothing out that's told us what the calibers actually were.

There's a report that the killing was done in a different location and the location was a dropoff, but there's been no report of any other nearby location found to have been the murder site. Why would that be important? Because..... there's a report about neighbors claiming to have heard shots and to have seen Hernandez coming home around the time of the shooting.


This stuff is all over the place, it's sometimes conflicting, and it's sometimes at least incomplete.

Not to mention conflicting reports on how the victim died. Some reports cite a bullet-riddled body, others a shot to the back of the head. Until there is a warrant out for his arrest, there is little to see here.

 

[belichick010405]

Not to mention conflicting reports on how the victim died. Some reports cite a bullet-riddled body, others a shot to the back of the head. Until there is a warrant out for his arrest, there is little to see here.

I would start believing the report that was published by the Globe and Bob Ward from Fox25 that was filed today.

Ignore the rest of what happened prior to today.

 

[JMC00]

The Bob Ward report from Fox25 is about as credible of a report as there is right now and based on what has been reported, it appears that they did a pretty good job in uncovering some salient facts that were not reported in the past including multiple gun shots at 3 to 330 AM which have been reported to MSP.

No it isn't.

 

[belichick010405]

No it isn't.

Ok - I am going to play your game. Show me how it isn't. And I ask for sources from you on where this report is not accurate.

 

[rjw]

88 pages. This is blowing up like a game day thread.

 

[Jackson 2]

Ok - I am going to play your game. Show me how it isn't. And I ask for sources from you on where this report is not accurate.

Nothing on Fox is credible. Incredible, yes.

 

[hwc]

I don't have the faintest idea what happened in this situation, but whatever it was, we can be very confident that it is NOT what the media is reporting. Their track record for accuracy in reporting is pathetic.

 

[belichick010405]

Nothing on Fox is credible. Incredible, yes.

Oh, I see. JMC - is this your position as well. Are you also a believer that "nothing on Fox is credible"?

 

[fumbrunner]

88 pages. This is blowing up like a game day thread.

Just as much hyperbole too!

 

[zoostation]

Ok - I am going to play your game. Show me how it isn't. And I ask for sources from you on where this report is not accurate.

Basing an opinion on a news report is one thing, but assuming it's gospel is naive. The media knows slightly more than anyone posting on this 80 something page board. And in addition to that, Fox News is a phucking joke.

 

[JMC00]

Ok - I am going to play your game. Show me how it isn't. And I ask for sources from you on where this report is not accurate.

Well one thing is your credible guy is the only one that has reported that Hernandez was caught on film and the only one that has said neighbors heard gunshots. Which were never reported when they supposedly heard them.

And before you go posting links of other places saying it, they are all citing Fox 25.

How come he is just citing "sources" and not "law enforcement sources" It's just not credible to me when you are the only one saying it.

 

[belichick010405]

Basing an opinion on a news report is one thing, but assuming it's gospel is naive. The media knows slightly more than anyone posting on this 80 something page board. And in addition to that, Fox News is a phucking joke.

Alright - both the Globe and Fox News have been getting their information from neighbors as well as MSP and as far as I am concerned, if they are getting their facts and information from those two sources, then I think it is time that some of those who want to believe that Hernandez is not involved in some way, shape or form start smelling the coffee.

I will take the word of Hernandez's neighbors and what these two media organizations are reporting through their own interviews and sources that are providing some of the information that has been disclosed.