PATRIOTS NEWS Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Yehoodi]

How about the the different vehicles they were supposedly looking for. First it was a Chrysler 300. Then it was a Chevy Suburban. I found a yahoo article that mentioned a Chrysler 200 as well.

How about the different reports on the text message. You had the FOX news one originally claim it was sent when they were leaving the bar. Other reports said the text was sent while they were leaving. It didn't specify whether they were leaving the bar or leaving Ahern's house.

How about the report that Ahern's arrest was imminent?

How about the report that Ahern was seen with Lloyd Sunday night, but now, reports have come out that it was actually Saturday night that Ahern was seen with Lloyd, not Sunday.

They all can't be facts.

no they can not all be facts and the different reports are conflicting . . . but conflicting accounts also occur at trials where "facts" allegedly only occurred (at least what some people on this board seem to think). . .

a commonwealth witness says the defendant slapped her, a defense witness says the defendant did not slap her . . . those are conflicting accounts and which occur on a daily bases in our courts of law and it is up to the trier of fact, be it a judge (bench trial) or a jury (jury trial) to weigh the credibility of the conflicting accounts and come to a conclusion and to whom the believe. . .

which is basically what were are doing here . . . we have statements and reports and some are conflicting, some seem far fetch and so on . . . but all we are doing is just what the trier of facts do in our courts on a daily basis . . . take a collection of facts, often time conflicting, and deciding which ones we believe and which one we don't and whose account is the one we feel is the correct one, and then drawing a conclusion as to where we stand . . . that is all that we are doing . . .

 

[primetime]

you should...capitalize...and use punctuation because ellipses...aren't what you think they are...

 

[Yehoodi]

Yehoodi, you're not paying attention to what I wrote. There is nothing wrong with having a discussion if you remember that there are few known and supportable facts in this case. For the most part, everyone is operating under the charge of speculation.

yes I understood what you are saying . . . and as I mentioned in my prior post to DaBriunz, conflicting accounts happened all the time in our courts . . . bottom line on a daily basis in our courts someone is testifying to something that did not happened the way that they testified . . .

given the fact that jurors hear testimony which is not square with what actually happened, there is really is nothing less, in the stand point of substance, from having a discussion among accounts not all of which are square with what actually happened, that is having a discussion of things that are reported . . .

I understand where you are coming from, but I was just pointing out the gap between what were are doing and what is "officially" done in a court of law is not as large as some may think . . .

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Hernandez likely to be arrested!

New England Patriots' Aaron Hernandez likely to be arrested - NFL - SI.com

Hernandez's involvement in the case is significant enough that a source with knowledge of the investigation said that Hernandez's arrest is likely. It is not yet known what he would be charged with.

Read More: New England Patriots' Aaron Hernandez likely to be arrested - NFL - SI.com

Damn! I wonder what he will be charged with.

 

[Deus Irae]

no they can not all be facts and the different reports are conflicting . . . but conflicting accounts also occur at trials where "facts" allegedly only occurred (at least what some people on this board seem to think). . .

a commonwealth witness says the defendant slapped her, a defense witness says the defendant did not slap her . . . those are conflicting accounts and which occur on a daily bases in our courts of law and it is up to the trier of fact, be it a judge (bench trial) or a jury (jury trial) to weigh the credibility of the conflicting accounts and come to a conclusion and to whom the believe. . .

which is basically what were are doing here . . . we have statements and reports and some are conflicting, some seem far fetch and so on . . . but all we are doing is just what the trier of facts do in our courts on a daily basis . . . take a collection of facts, often time conflicting, and deciding which ones we believe and which one we don't and whose account is the one we feel is the correct one, and then drawing a conclusion as to where we stand . . . that is all that we are doing . . .

Most people don't differentiate the reports. People are taking every report and layering it on top of the previous reports. It's the same sort of stupidity that happened with the Boston bombing, the CT shooting, etc...

Hell, there are still people who believe that George Bush was carving a plastic turkey.

 

[JMC00]

Re: Hernandez likely to be arrested!

New England Patriots' Aaron Hernandez likely to be arrested - NFL - SI.com



Damn! I wonder what he will be charged with.

Welcome to 12 hours ago. Yet he still hasn't been arrested

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Re: Hernandez likely to be arrested!

New England Patriots' Aaron Hernandez likely to be arrested - NFL - SI.com



Damn! I wonder what he will be charged with.

That article is from 230 when that false report came out..MSP then said that's not the case...so that article is a bad one

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

When is the "law expert" pissing match gonna end. My head is spinning. :yawn2:.

 

[robbomango]

Nick Underhill ?@Nick_Underhill 1m
A grizzled reporter told me to only believe about 20 percent of what I hear in news about this case. Seems worth passing along after today.

I wouldn't be surprised...

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Re: Hernandez likely to be arrested!

Welcome to 12 hours ago. Yet he still hasn't been arrested

I didnt see the link anywhere. It is news to me. I think the police are trying to get more on him to get an arrest warrant.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Re: Hernandez likely to be arrested!

I didnt see the link anywhere. It is news to me. I think the police are trying to get more on him to get an arrest warrant.

if they have enough evidence they will..but we don't know what they have...

Police are trying to get more on the killer..weather it be hernandez or his buddy

 

[jsull87]

what makes you think what has been reported are not "facts" . . .

if someone testifies at trial that he heard shots emanating from AH's house . . . how is any less a "fact" then if that same person tells a newspaper . . .

just a word to the wise, people have been known to be, to put it policy, overly zealous with their testimony at trial . . . so when it all shakes down, especially when one is discussion his or her thoughts with friends in person or with others on the internet, there is nothing wrong with using a report from new outlet about what has been said by witnesses to an event . . .

To answer your bolded question. Because what is being reported has changed significantly over the past 24 hours. Facts don't change significantly over time... they are what they are.

I have no interest in what happens at trials e.t.c my purpose in posting in this thread currently is to sort the actual facts that have been reported from the inuendo being spread.

e.g "Hernandez was with the deceased hours before he was killed" has been changed from that night, that day, the night before, 2 days before. This is an example of a "report" changing and therefore not being an actual fact.

 

[NENGFAN]

Re: Hernandez likely to be arrested!

if they have enough evidence they will..but we don't know what they have...

Police are trying to get more on the killer..weather it be hernandez or his buddy

NBA finals series is making this story as second. Wait till finals is over - media is going to goto town on this story. If he did this - he needs to be out of the team forever. We don't want a "Ray Lewis" on my team.

 

[Yehoodi]

Most people don't differentiate the reports. People are taking every report and layering it on top of the previous reports. It's the same sort of stupidity that happened with the Boston bombing, the CT shooting, etc...

Hell, there are still people who believe that George Bush was carving a plastic turkey.

yes I understand what you are saying . . . but are not people entitled to weigh the accounts as they wish, just like jurors . . . no the court of public opinion is not an exact science and in certain cases there are motives of the ones putting out the reports . . . agreed . . .

but in the end of the day there are motives of some who testified at trial and our judicial system is not an exact science evident by the many defendants who were set free when it was found out that the evidence presented to the jurors was not squared with what actually happened . . .

and perhaps it does not help as we are discussing this subject on an internet forum which can make this discussion piecemeal as opposed to having everything to date on round table and we are all physically present with each other pouring over the reports and having a well thought out discussion on the matter . . .

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Re: Hernandez likely to be arrested!

NBA finals series is making this story as second. Wait till finals is over - media is going to goto town on this story. If he did this - he needs to be out of the team forever. We don't want a "Ray Lewis" on my team.

If Ahern is guilty and did kill him, he will be in prison for a while. The Patriots will cut him and use that money to get more weapons for Brady.

 

[Deus Irae]

When is the "law expert" pissing match gonna end. My head is spinning. :yawn2:.

Maybe it's people I've got on ignore, but I don't see any such thing happening in this thread.

 

[upstater1]

Nick Underhill ?@Nick_Underhill 1m
A grizzled reporter told me to only believe about 20 percent of what I hear in news about this case. Seems worth passing along after today.

I wouldn't be surprised...

In that case, I believe Aaron smashed his security system over the head of Lloyd who then fled in Aaron's rental car and took a wrong turn into an industrial area.

 

[Mack Herron]

The hour is regarding the appearance at the house, not the four together.

Here ya go Deus:

Video shows New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez with homicide victim early Monday morning

No arrests in murder of Dorchester man who was acquainted with New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez - Boston.com

 

[Deus Irae]

yes I understand what you are saying . . . but are not people entitled to weigh the accounts as they wish, just like jurors

Sure. I was just responding to the facts = reports aspect. I don't find that correlation to be a fair one. Facts are, theoretically, actual facts, while reports (especially fast moving reports on big stories) are understood to be notoriously unreliable.

 

[Yehoodi]

To answer your bolded question. Because what is being reported has changed significantly over the past 24 hours. Facts don't change significantly over time... they are what they are.

I have no interest in what happens at trials e.t.c my purpose in posting in this thread currently is to sort the actual facts that have been reported from the inuendo being spread.

e.g "Hernandez was with the deceased hours before he was killed" has been changed from that night, that day, the night before, 2 days before. This is an example of a "report" changing and therefore not being an actual fact.

yes I hear yah . . . and see where you are coming from . . . and yes it would be great to wait a given time X when, hopefully, most reports will align themselves with each others for the most part . . . but till that time period there is nothing really wrong with having a discussion to what we know to date . . . this change tomorrow to the good, who knows . . .

but to a degree even our more proven riggers of trials can have things come up after the fact that is different than what was presented at trial . . . so it happens here too . . .

hopefully by the weekend we will get things coming into align with each other and we can have less flux in the reporting and we can have a closer to the point discussion . . .

but till then people get excited and want to talk about things as they are reported and known to date . . .

I do understand where you and the others I responded too are coming from . . .