Patriots Rumor ESPN hitpiece on Patriots (Rift with Brady/Belichick/Kraft) - Merged

[archstanton543]

....or they tag him for $24m and deal him then in which , like in Oct their leverage is compromised

But if nobody trades for him, the Pats are left holding the bag.

 

[RobertWeathers]

But if nobody trades for him, the Pats are left holding the bag.

Another concern I'm sure Bill factored in as he considered what Jimmys market was and how it would hamstring the teams cap

 

[Ring 6]

....or they tag him for $24m and deal him then in which , like in Oct their leverage is compromised

They would have to cut players to do it.
Their cap would be tied up in order to trade for a pick
They could therefore lose their own free agents such as solder and Lewis.
No team is going to give a 1 for a win on the tag unless he agrees to a long term deal. This means jimmy controls the trade.
If jimmy Doesn’t sign the tag, the cap is still frozen and ultimately we would have to release him.
If you are jimmy and you know all of this why in the world would you hurt your own future by coooerating? If you don’t cooperate you can force a release so you can pick your own team. If you do that your own team doesn’t lose the pick they would fave traded.

Unless the patriots were like the Jete and had 100 mill in cap room, because they have no players worthy of taking up cap space, tag and trade would never have been a realistic option.

It was sf 2 and hoyer or a possible comp pick in 2019 (which they wouldn’t get if they sign any top fa)

 

[Soliel]

Another concern I'm sure Bill factored in as he considered what Jimmys market was and how it would hamstring the teams cap

Right on man, and bill won’t get down like that. There’s really no mystery here at all after kraft completely negated the whole thing which I’m glad he did because of the fact of so many haters rejoicing in a potential demise of the dynasty but more so because I’m kinda tapped out right now and can not afford another bottle of Zantac and another metric ton of rolaids

 

[RobertWeathers]

They would have to cut players to do it.
Their cap would be tied up in order to trade for a pick
They could therefore lose their own free agents such as solder and Lewis.
No team is going to give a 1 for a win on the tag unless he agrees to a long term deal. This means jimmy controls the trade.
If jimmy Doesn’t sign the tag, the cap is still frozen and ultimately we would have to release him.
If you are jimmy and you know all of this why in the world would you hurt your own future by coooerating? If you don’t cooperate you can force a release so you can pick your own team. If you do that your own team doesn’t lose the pick they would fave traded.

Unless the patriots were like the Jete and had 100 mill in cap room, because they have no players worthy of taking up cap space, tag and trade would never have been a realistic option.

It was sf 2 and hoyer or a possible comp pick in 2019 (which they wouldn’t get if they sign any top fa)

It was an unworkable situation. Period.

 

[Ring 6]

It was an unworkable situation. Period.

Incredibly that’s exactly what belichick publicly said and people would rather believe a conspiracy theory created by an attention starved ESPN hack.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

FLORIO ISN'T MESSING AROUND ANYMORE

Tom Brady doesn’t run from competition; he thrives on it

Florio also rips Wickersham.

Tom Brady doesn’t run from competition; he thrives on it

Florio missed the lowest hanging fruit of all, in my opinion. In his college career, after reflection, he decided to stick around through competition rather than transferring somewhere he could start immediately.

But yeah, Brady wanted Jimmy gone because he was threatened by him.

 

[Jackson 2]

It's really telling reading the reactions of the local haters (Shank, Borges, Tomase, Volin, et al) as this story with no named sources gets the **** kicked out of it. 24 hours ago they were orgasmic. Now, they're becoming flaccid.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's really telling reading the reactions of the local haters (Shank, Borges, Tomase, Volin, et al) as this story with no named sources gets the **** kicked out of it. 24 hours ago they were orgasmic. Now, they're becoming flaccid.

Blubber Bertrand was still in full hating Barba Pappa form this afternoon.

 

[IllegalContact]

These circumstances were unlike anything else we've seen here the last 17 years. The only thing close was 08 when TB12 tagged and traded Cassel for a 2nd even though Tom was coming off an ACL and they cut KOC and kept rookie Brian Hoyer instead.

I don't know what to tell you about smelling a rat. There is no question the Guerrero flap has added a layer to this story which gives this all the makings of a soap opera and the media is running with it.

Qb is 10 years older.....totally different in many ways.....the players, the timing.....Id rather be wrong but the combined departures of 2 highly drafted qbs when you have a 40 year old does not appear to be in the long term interest of the team.....suddenly, the notion of a year too soon rather than a year too late is garbage?

Larry Bird for Chuck Person and 3 1st rounders......hindsight is a *****

 

[n1997y]

Great point. If they cannot get hoyer they need to bring in a different backup without experience in the system and dedicate a lot of time an energy to bringing him up to speed in case he is needed.

Thanks. I think there is even more to it though.

Hoyer gives an immediate answer to the problem of who is the backup QB. And a good one, has shown he is good enough to start for multiple teams in this league. Knows the Patriots' system. So if he needs to step in for a few plays, finish up a game, whatever is needed be can probably do it as well or better than anyone other than JG.

Beyond that, he sets the floor for an immediate path into the future if Brady is not back in the next year or two. I think BB would be comfortable having Hoyer as QB next year if Brady isn't there for whatever reason. I figure Hoye could give a raw rookie drafted this year as much as two years to develop, maybe even three.

So BB has deftly mitigated the biggest risk of trading Garappolo by getting Hoyer as part of that deal. And almost everybody else has missed it.

 

[Soliel]

One thing that I find hilarious is that I didn’t recognize the paradox in the article. On one hand he’s saying Brady is all into positive thoughts but on the other hand he’s negativenancy crying about patriot of the week and jimmys gonna take my job. Glaring inconsistencies that I did not pick up on.

In my only defense, it’s hard to think clearly with all the subterfuge and obfuscation

 

[RobertWeathers]

Qb is 10 years older.....totally different in many ways.....the players, the timing.....Id rather be wrong but the combined departures of 2 highly drafted qbs when you have a 40 year old does not appear to be in the long term interest of the team.....suddenly, the notion of a year too soon rather than a year too late is garbage?

They simply did not expect Tom to function at this level at his age. I also think they soured on Brisket.

Larry Bird for Chuck Person and 3 1st rounders......hindsight is a *****

Red and Jan Fed up. Larry was in visible decline when that was proposed. We aren't there yet with Tom

 

[Ring 6]

Qb is 10 years older.....totally different in many ways.....the players, the timing.....Id rather be wrong but the combined departures of 2 highly drafted qbs when you have a 40 year old does not appear to be in the long term interest of the team.....suddenly, the notion of a year too soon rather than a year too late is garbage?

Larry Bird for Chuck Person and 3 1st rounders......hindsight is a *****

They don’t need the next QB for at least 2 more years.
A year too soon doesn’t apply to the best QB in the league. In fact it really has only applied to getting something a year early than getting nothing a year late, but of course people misunderstand that too.
In essence they got rid of garopolo half a year too soon rather than half a year too late.

 

[nowayback]

Tom Brady on @westwood1sports reacting to recent ESPN report: "My relationships with everybody that I deal with I feel are so positive. To think anything differently of that is complete nonsense."
Tom Brady via @westwood1sports says he sees the work environment at Gillette Stadium the same as it is has been the last 18 years despite recent reports.

full interview ? EXCLUSIVE: Tom Brady responds to ESPN report | Westwood One SportsWestwood One Sports

Liar !!!! Not the TB I know, the ruthless egoistic, selfish , player

 

[IcyPatriot]

Tom Brady on @westwood1sports reacting to recent ESPN report: "My relationships with everybody that I deal with I feel are so positive. To think anything differently of that is complete nonsense."

Hare Krishna Tom.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Great read by Florio.

Still like Tom's sisters comment the best.

"Lions don't lose sleep over the opinion's of sheep."

 

[maineman209]

After listening to Currans newest podcast where he emphasized the secretive nature of BB and how this leads to staffers maybe speculating on things I dont think I agree with your view.

If there was a clear path planned out then Kraft wouldn't have been taken aback by BB suddenly calling that he has a trade ready. And there is no way anyone can tell me that all parties were too shortsighted to discuss the trade deadline and how it is the last checkpoint they have to move JG. And yet Kraft made it sound like what they decided in summer was to ride it out until after the season.

Either something big changed between the summer meeting and the trade deadline, or BB just didn't communicate his intentions to trade JG outside a very small circle.

Secretive in the presence of "staffers" doesn't necessarily man secretive with the Krafts, Caserio, McD, MP, etc.

I'm not saying that there was any "clear path" planned out, just that there were likely general parameters for an "acceptable" deal that had been agreed upon by all concerned parties (Garoppolo and Yee among them). It's also possible that everyone's expectations of making any such deal by the trade deadline were low and that it was a bit of a surprise when an acceptable deal actually presented itself.

It may even be the case that BB himself didn't have particularly high expectations of being able to make an acceptable deal when he called Lynch about JG. I don't see that as necessarily being "secretive" - just making the call to see how it goes and then reporting the result later.

 

[maineman209]

At the end of the season Jimmy would have been a free agent. The Pats couldn't trade someone they don't have the rights to. The trade deadline was the absolute last chance they had to get any return for him (other than a league-awarded 3rd round pick).

I generally agree, but it's also possible that the Pats had worked out a plan for creating enough cap space to do a tag 'n' trade in the spring. Definitely not a high leverage position for the Pats, but still an opportunity to try to get something more in return than a 2019 very late 3rd-rounder.

 

[maineman209]

One thing that I find hilarious is that I didn’t recognize the paradox in the article. On one hand he’s saying Brady is all into positive thoughts but on the other hand he’s negativenancy crying about patriot of the week and jimmys gonna take my job. Glaring inconsistencies that I did not pick up on.

In my only defense, it’s hard to think clearly with all the subterfuge and obfuscation

Another thing that a lot of folks have missed was Wickersham saying that BB trading JG made no sense "when his starter was 40 years old and banged up". The trade took place at the end of week-8. Brady didn't appear on the injury report with his achilles issue until week-12.