Patriots Rumor ESPN hitpiece on Patriots (Rift with Brady/Belichick/Kraft) - Merged

[archstanton543]

Two time super bowl MVP and second overall pick in a QB heavy draft but okay homer. Peyton sucked too, right?

The only think Eli has ever led the League in is interceptions.

 

[archstanton543]

What is the beef Barstool/Portnoy has with Lombardi ? I must have missed the entire thing..

Portnoy's a loon so who knows (or cares)?

 

[luuked]

Two time super bowl MVP and second overall pick in a QB heavy draft but okay homer. Peyton sucked too, right?

lol.. next thing you claim that he deserves to go into the HoF despite having a pretty average career.. He lives off the Manning name otherwise he would be laughed off the same way as Flacco..

 

[PScottman]

NFL Rumors: Bill Belichick ‘Sees An Opening’ To Be Giants’ Head Coach

Now Mazz chimes in. Has he ever even spoken to BB once in his life?

Yep, this will drive media trust through the roof.

Oh, and totally off topic, but my car's tire pressure light went on last night in this record cold...I knew I shouldn't have let that dude take it into the bathroom with him...that's totally what did it.

 

[PScottman]

Oh its worse than that. I bet Dorsett's insurance rejected his claim so Brady froze him out.

"You can get up to fifteen catches a season by switching to TB12."

This is starting to turn into the GDT now with this sham of a story being the impetus for Dorsett somehow not being a 10000 yard receiver already????

 

[supafly]

lol.. next thing you claim that he deserves to go into the HoF despite having a pretty average career.. He lives off the Manning name otherwise he would be laughed off the same way as Flacco..

What’s sad is that he will get lots of consideration based on those 2 SB wins, and against the mighty Pats, to boot. Otherwise, he’s Flacco v2.0, like you said.

 

[PScottman]

Otherwise, he’s Flacco v2.0

Is he even that good?

 

[supafly]

Is he even that good?

I dunno. Flacco’s pretty damn bad. Lol. He sets a low bar.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Two time super bowl MVP and second overall pick in a QB heavy draft but okay homer. Peyton sucked too, right?

eli is on the decline and found the cliff and peyton doesn't win a second sb without hgh. maybe peyton can mail eli's wife some.

 

[PScottman]

Flacco’s pretty damn bad. Lol. He sets a low bar.

Dude should totally read this thread and create the "Flacco of Fame".

Guys like Scott Mitchell, Mike Vick, Chad Pennington, Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Jay Cutler, Jay Fielder, Jeff George, and up and comers like Blake Bortles would all be shoo-ins for the famed "Purple Jacket".

 

[supafly]

Dude should totally read this thread and create the "Flacco of Fame".

Guys like Scott Mitchell, Mike Vick, Chad Pennington, Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Jay Cutler, Jay Fielder, Jeff George, and up and comers like Blake Bortles would all be shoo-ins for the famed "Purple Jacket".

Poor Matty Ice.

Everyone else would most definitely be fitted for their purple jackets. No doubt. Baltimore has to be pissed off that they signed Flacco to that big deal. Remember all of the talk about him “gambling on himself” by refusing their initial offer? What a joke.

 

[maineman209]

Wickersham's "foundation" for his claim about a BB-Kraft rift is his claim that BB wanted to trade Brady and keep JG but Kraft "ordered" BB to keep Brady and trade JG.

Miguel tweeted something yesterday that destroys that argument (I think), and I haven't seen it mentioned yet in this thread.

If Brady had been traded before June 1st, the remaining $14M of his most recent signing bonus would have accelerated into 2017 and become new dead money against 2017 cap space. If the trade had happened after June 1st, $7M of that would have become dead money against the 2017 cap, and the other $7M against the 2018 cap. That would've been okay WRT the 2018 cap, since it would've resulted in a net $8M in cap savings. The problem is with the 2017 cap.

The Pats haven't had anywhere near enough cap space to absorb even an additional $7M cap hit since well before the trade deadline, and they have less than $3M left in 2017 cap space now as it is. It appears to me that they simply couldn't have traded Brady and stayed under the cap in 2017. So, perhaps there was some disagreement between BB and Kraft over which QB to keep, but the cap situation may have rendered any such disagreement moot.

If I'm wrong about this, I'm hoping that Miguel will chime in and correct me.

 

[DarrylS]

Briefly tuned in Sports Talk radio and was listening to Bertram practically orgasming about this article, suspect the same happened with Felger in the PM..

What I do not understand is the role of sports talk media.. are they hoping that this rift will provide more fodder for the talk shows?? It almost sounds as though they are rooting for the demise of the New England Patriots so they can say I told you so..

Perhaps my view of Sports Talk Media has become antiquated, but what they all seem to miss that in any organization there will be ups and downs, agreements and disagreements... It always seemed that any organization that has a bunch of yes men seems to make the worse decisions and the best decisions came out of conflict....

Really disappointed in the Pavlovian response of Sports Talk radio, they are morphing into a product that I like less and less.

 

[PP2]

Wickersham's "foundation" for his claim about a BB-Kraft rift is his claim that BB wanted to trade Brady and keep JG but Kraft "ordered" BB to keep Brady and trade JG.

Miguel tweeted something yesterday that destroys that argument (I think), and I haven't seen it mentioned yet in this thread.

If Brady had been traded before June 1st, the remaining $14M of his most recent signing bonus would have accelerated into 2017 and become new dead money against 2017 cap space. If the trade had happened after June 1st, $7M of that would have become dead money against the 2017 cap, and the other $7M against the 2018 cap. That would've been okay WRT the 2018 cap, since it would've resulted in a net $8M in cap savings. The problem is with the 2017 cap.

The Pats haven't had anywhere near enough cap space to absorb even an additional $7M cap hit since well before the trade deadline, and they have less than $3M left in 2017 cap space now as it is. It appears to me that they simply couldn't have traded Brady and stayed under the cap in 2017. So, perhaps there was some disagreement between BB and Kraft over which QB to keep, but the cap situation may have rendered any such disagreement moot.

If I'm wrong about this, I'm hoping that Miguel will chime in and correct me.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Kraft has said his formula for success is to hire the right football people and stand back and let them do their job. It's worked for 18 years, you think he changed philosophy with a all the success he's had?

Yes!

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Kraft has not gotten involved in football operations.

Of course he has.

 

[PP2]

What's damaging to the Patriots here isn't the express allegations, which are mostly absurd, clearly inaccurate, or inconsequential.

What's really damaging is the implicit allegation: multiple people connected to the Patriots secretly talk to the media.

This allegation, even though unstated, is the damaging one. It's hard for players or coaches to be candid with each other if they suspect that their conversations might be leaked to the media. If the Patriots don't trust each other, they could be in trouble, and this article, by suggesting that the Patriots have multiple spies in their midst, could affect that trust.

I doubt ESPN cares about details of Brady's throwing strategy. What they care about is sowing these seeds of suspicion to try and hurt the Patriots.

Not with the right kind of leadership, it doesn't. Pretty sure that BB has a very firm grip on this issue and has the team focused on either Tennessee, Buffalo or KC.

The idea of implicating that there are spies in the "enemy's midst" is an old psychological warfare trick, probably as old as warfare itself.

 

[Jackson 2]

Briefly tuned in Sports Talk radio and was listening to Bertram practically orgasming about this article, suspect the same happened with Felger in the PM..

What I do not understand is the role of sports talk media.. are they hoping that this rift will provide more fodder for the talk shows?? It almost sounds as though they are rooting for the demise of the New England Patriots so they can say I told you so..

Perhaps my view of Sports Talk Media has become antiquated, but what they all seem to miss that in any organization there will be ups and downs, agreements and disagreements... It always seemed that any organization that has a bunch of yes men seems to make the worse decisions and the best decisions came out of conflict....

Really disappointed in the Pavlovian response of Sports Talk radio, they are morphing into a product that I like less and less.

Since my (semi)retirement, I've listened to a lot of it. The current version of sports talk radio bears virtually no resemblance to The Sports Huddle or Talking All Sports of the 70s. Those shows, to me, were like a bunch of people in a bar shooting the **** about sports. Sure, in the process, they'd be some disagreements and raised voices at times, but generally people would listen to one another and consider others' opinions. The current version, particularly around here, is an entirely different enterprise. Marc Bertrand, Michael Felger and most others from both local stations have a different goal than guys like Eddie Andelman and Guy Mainella did. Today's hosts have a primary goal of pissing people off enough to listen and respond and a secondary goal of generating dialogue centered around analysis. The original guys had it reversed. That may be an oversimplification, but it's largely what I believe. Bertrand comes from "The Felger Tree" (he was on that show to start) and the philosophy of those people is that the listeners, by and large, are idiots who are beneath them and can be manipulated. Sadly, they're pretty damn good at it.

 

[supafly]

Pretty sure that BB has a very firm grip on this issue and has the team focused on either Tennessee, Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Not meaning to disagree with your statement at all. Just wanted to clarify that it’s BUF, TEN, or KC.

If JAX wins, they automatically go to PIT.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yeah, all those old NFL players starting to play like rookies again, yep, happens all the time.

Who was named All Pro QB?

How old are they?