Eric Mangini wants to be Bill's friend again.

[Jlaff]

I don't know I'm a quick person to forgive.
I honestly believe he didnt want it to become what it was.
Both teams were known to watch each other in the name of competition and sportsmanship.
Eric wanted to show off he wasn't Bills Lacky to his bosses and simply tried to get Bill to respect his team on their turf by having the camera guy removed.
Between Woody and the GM they attempted to embarrass the Pats and maybe get them fined again this what rivals will do to each other however Hitler Goodell and co ran with this and made it the second biggest witch-hunt in NFL history.
Mangini named his son after Belichick and owes every NFL check he cashed to him.
I'm sure he wishes it never happened.
Now the rumor of Mangini poaching players and coaches after the playoff loss and stealing team laptops and info.
Is more troubling to me.
I can believe he didn't want spygate to occur but he attempted to weaken his ex employer and build up his new one.
That's also a tough situation in a sense if the info he grabbed was his own notes and scouting reports then whether or not he was a Patriot when that occured I feel he is entitled to his own work.
However if it was agreed upon if hes ever on another team anything he collected or had when he was on the Patriots was considered solely team property then that's a different matter.
He should of asked BB respectfully if he could talk to coaches and waited for free agency before approaching Pat's players.
However we all know how the Jets and waiting for players to be free agency work.

I didn't realize Mangina named his son after Bill. That's hilarious that his child's name serves as a constant reminder of what a rat screw-up he is. It's been a long time since "Mangenius" on the Sopranos.

 

[Jackson 2]

I could be wrong about how this plays out, but, if I were in Belichick's place, one thing would start Mangini on the road to redemption with me: Confession.

That is, stop dancing around the topic with how much you regret things and how unfortunate it was the way things played out. Come clean and admit that you had a guy taping signals also, what other teams you knew were doing it, and how it was just one of many factors that went into preparing for a future opponent. Basically, help expose the myth that only the Patriots were doing this and it was a huge factor in their success.

I don't think making those statements could damage Mangini's career prospects more than they are already are. At least saying something more substantial will be better than these semi-annual "I hope we can reconcile some day" interview.

Edit to add: Mangini could also say how he reached out to Belichick to warn him, but didn't mention that Tannenbaum and the league office were also involved.

Bingo, brother, you got freaking BINGO!

 

[TB_Helmet]

The biggest hoopla was created when the Boston Herald alleged that the Pats were videotaping the Rams SB 36 practice, i.e they won the SB with actual illegal activity, tainting the win.

The fact that it turned out to be nonsense and the paper publicly apologized didn't matter as the myth became a widespread reality. 10 years later people are still confusing Cameraplacement gate with the invented practice videotaping including yours truly, Marshall Faulk.

Basically the same thing that happened with the false leaked info that created Deflategate. The lie spread, it took a while to be corrected and by the time it did, people had already pronounced the Pats guilty.

Yeah, I definitely remember that.

But I disagree that was 'the biggest hoopla' and it's also not really related to how Mangini snitched. The whole 2007 season played out against the backdrop of the original accusation of stealing signals. My question is, how much discussion was there about the violation being a technicality related to camera placement, since I don't remember anyone saying that at the time (although wasn't on any hardcore fan message boards then).

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

how much discussion was there about the violation being a technicality related to camera placement

zero

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not again. This is like the 4th time hes said something to this effect.

Everytime he flaps his gums over this issue he sounds like a pathetic, guilty son who betrayed his father (which he did).

Mangini is better off saying, "I have nothing to add".

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I appreciate GoodellGate I in '07 and GoodellGate II in '15 because it explicitly exposed all the losers everywhere who have total, abject, nonsubstantive contempt and hatred for the Patriots, all of whom have been enabled and encouraged by the present owner since he bought the team.

I'm not complaining, the team's still here, and five Super Bowl wins, and great football memories...as someone who loves the football team, it's comforting though disappointing to know that I'm in a small minority that sticks up for them amidst absolute, unabated bias.

 

[TB_Helmet]

zero

Thanks! So I'm sure that was the case in the media. What about among Pats fans specifically? Do you remember it coming up in any discussion you had about it?

Just seems like I never heard about camera placement being the letter of the law until a couple years after 2007.

 

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

Thanks! So I'm sure that was the case in the media. What about among Pats fans specifically? Do you remember it coming up in any discussion you had about it?

Just seems like I never heard about camera placement being the letter of the law until a couple years after 2007.

That was the narrative we tried to establish on the ESPN boards at the time.. Of course it went on deaf ears as the hoards of haters cried cheater cheater cheater.

 

[TB_Helmet]

That was the narrative we tried to establish on the ESPN boards at the time.. Of course it went on deaf ears as the hoards of haters cried cheater cheater cheater.

OK that's what I wanted to know.

I forget when the ESPN Boston boards were active (and Reiss contributed to the discussion). Those were actually decent until they gutted them, lots of activity, mostly Pats fans.

 

[Ring 6]

Well hell I want to be bills friend too. I really hope it's that easy!!!!

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Well hell I want to be bills friend too. I really hope it's that easy!!!!

You have a better chance than the rat to be invited to Bills for dinner.

 

[XLIX]

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee...

 

[Rob0729]

And I want to win the $375 million Powerball jackpot tomorrow night. At least I have a chance of my wishes happening no matter how remote.

 

[supafly]

I didn't realize Mangina named his son after Bill. That's hilarious that his child's name serves as a constant reminder of what a rat screw-up he is. It's been a long time since "Mangenius" on the Sopranos.

I was just coming into the thread to say how much his appearance on the Sopranos still pisses me off.

 

[zoostation]

Mangini is dead to me. He should have obeyed the code and kept his mouth shut. They saw how explosive the Patriots were with Randy Moss (his first game with the Pats) and they ran to the league to rat the Patriots out for the very same practice they used themselves.

 

[TomPatriot]

Sometimes V is not for Vendetta. I'm sure BB has plenty of friends he can trust.

 

[1960Pats]

Thank You for providing me an opportunity to find that old-man Nolan Ryan gif.

I don't think there's anything better than seeing a batter run out to the mound only to get his ass kicked.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

I don't think there's anything better than seeing a batter run out to the mound only to get his ass kicked.

And Ryan was in his 40's at the time too

 

[1960Pats]

And Ryan was in his 40's at the time too

Even better.

 

[borisman]

I could be wrong about how this plays out, but, if I were in Belichick's place, one thing would start Mangini on the road to redemption with me: Confession.

That is, stop dancing around the topic with how much you regret things and how unfortunate it was the way things played out. Come clean and admit that you had a guy taping signals also, what other teams you knew were doing it, and how it was just one of many factors that went into preparing for a future opponent. Basically, help expose the myth that only the Patriots were doing this and it was a huge factor in their success.

I don't think making those statements could damage Mangini's career prospects more than they are already are. At least saying something more substantial will be better than these semi-annual "I hope we can reconcile some day" interview.

Edit to add: Mangini could also say how he reached out to Belichick to warn him, but didn't mention that Tannenbaum and the league office were also involved.

I don't see why this hasn't happened already. Why can't one of the beat writers that cover the Pats do an exclusive with Mangini and make him confess, come clean or whatever he needs to do to tell more his side of the story and how he f'd up. I know he admitted to some things but this still lingers and even though he has no shot at reconciliation with BB at least he can throw himself under the bus and some of old NYJ employees with him. It might earn him a little respect back, even though he's dead to a lot of people. It's never too late to Psalm 23:4