Eli over Brady?

[meyerbudNYG]

At this point, you're just pulling comments out of your ass. Rivers is 3-4 in the playoffs, with 2 of the losses coming against the 2007 Patriots in the AFCCG and the 2008 SB champion Steelers.

so you consider having a losing record in the playoffs while considered by most to have the best team in football for multiple years as success?

Maybe thats the Red Sox fan in you talking, because I know its not the Patriot fan.

I guess you consider teh Falcons to have alot of success then too because they are 0-3 in the past 3 years, but it was against the teams that won the NFC.

 

[Fixit]

That wasn't really true until Brady started putting up the stats and getting the MVPs. Manning was still considered the best by most until 2007. Personally, I think they are pretty much on par with one another but Brady does have more hardware.

More hardware, and he's better in every statistic that matters. Winning %, passer rating (in almost every imaginable split), TD/INT ratio... Give Brady the three years lead that Manning started with and he'll surpass Manning's cumulative TD stats, too.

There's. No. Debate. Anymore.

 

[karguy85]

Whenever there's an any Manning vs Brady argument, the bottom line is 3>2.

Brady is better than all three Mannings combined!

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Where are these good years of stats? In nine years, I think the highest he has ranked in terms of passer rating has been 7th and typically he is outside of the top 10. Now your point about his career not being over is a good one. But based on what we know now, I don't think he is Hall worthy. Think of it this way. So far your argument for letting him into the hall is based on a total of SIX games. Six incredibly important and meaningful games, but six games none the less.

Two superbowls, 4k average per year, always throws in the 20s of TDs, and never had a losing record.


thats HOF material, no matter how much u want to talk interceptions

 

[ProudestRyno]

Brady's avg game throughout his career:

21-33 (64%)
248 yds
1.9 td
.7 int

Manning's avg game throughout his career:

19-32 (59%)
228 yds
1.5 td
1.1 int

Someone please explain to me people are comparing these 2 and saying that Manning is in the same breath as Brady?

Football is a TEAM game.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Fun fact:

Jim Plunkett's career passer rating of 67.5 was only 2% worse than the league average passer rating during the period he played in. Eli Manning's career passer rating of 82.1 is -you guessed it- 2% worse than the league average passer rating during the period of time he has been a starter in the NFL.

Funny how that works, huh?

not that i don't trust u, but link?

 

[Deus Irae]

so you consider having a losing record in the playoffs while considered by most to have the best team in football for multiple years as success?

I consider losing to the Eventual SB champions who were 4 games better than your team during the regular season, and to a team that finished 18-1, to be perfectly acceptable. Outside of that, he's 3-2 in the playoffs, which is certainly nothing to be deriding the way you are. Also, unlike yourself apparently, I understand that Rivers was not to blame for the San Diego loss in 2006, given that he had his team in the lead prior to his defensive teammate brainlocking after an interception.

Maybe thats the Red Sox fan in you talking, because I know its not the Patriot fan.

I guess you consider teh Falcons to have alot of success then too because they are 0-3 in the past 3 years, but it was against the teams that won the NFC.

I consider the Falcons to be a team that's learning how to win. Prior to the Ryan/Smith era, that franchise had never even had back-to-back winning seasons. Now it needs to get tougher on the lines, and to learn how to handle playoff pressure.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

What is better?

QB A: 5 Super Bowl Appearances, 3 Super Bowl Wins, 1 Super Bowl Loss, 1 TBD

OR

QB B: 2 Super Bowl Appearances, 1 Super Bowl Win, 1 TBD

Not to mention that QB A had has Multiple MVPs and Multiple SB MVPs and some of the all time greatest seasons ever by a QB (including this year).

To me that just ends this discussion. This whole thread is ridiculous...

not for nothing, but what relevence does that have to do with where they currently are?

Again I agree that Brady is better, but when it comes down to one game I would prefer Eli just as much as BRady...

but what does hwat u said have to do with the argument?

 

[ProudestRyno]

so you consider having a losing record in the playoffs while considered by most to have the best team in football for multiple years as success?

Maybe thats the Red Sox fan in you talking, because I know its not the Patriot fan.

I guess you consider teh Falcons to have alot of success then too because they are 0-3 in the past 3 years, but it was against the teams that won the NFC.

Comparing QBs based only on playoff success when the QBs arent FACING EACH OTHER, they are facing their team's defenses is IDIOTIC at best.

Like Deus said, by your "logic", Trent Dilfer was the best QB in the NFL in 2000. Still havent heard you respond to that.

You sir, are dumb. Go away, you're making Giants fans look ignorant.

 

[RodThePat]

Two superbowls, 4k average per year, always throws in the 20s of TDs, and never had a losing record.


thats HOF material, no matter how much u want to talk interceptions

Ahm...he threw for 4k three times, at two of those times he did it with 4021 and 4002 yards. How does he average 4000 yards per season? And he never had a losing record, but his teams went 8-8 twice, and his career winning percentage is 58. Hardly fantastic.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Which just goes to show you that football is a TEAM game, not arm-wrestling between opposing quarterbacks.

okay, so are you applying that theory against Brady's early superbowls?

 

[karguy85]

not for nothing, but what relevence does that have to do with where they currently are?

Again I agree that Brady is better, but when it comes down to one game I would prefer Eli just as much as BRady...

but what does hwat u said have to do with the argument?

Well how can anyone have an intelligent argument with your own subjective opinion. Good for you, that you prefer Manning in one game against Brady. The stats tend to lead in the other direction though...

 

[ProudestRyno]

not for nothing, but what relevence does that have to do with where they currently are?

Again I agree that Brady is better, but when it comes down to one game I would prefer Eli just as much as BRady...

but what does hwat u said have to do with the argument?

You've been trying to say Eli is on Brady's level. And unless you think Eli is going to start having some of the best season's of all time any time soon (like Brady has), then his career projection is nothing CLOSE to Brady's.

This argument is ignorant. Just leave.

Brady 10x>>>>>>>>>>>> Manning. There is nothing Manning is better at than Brady, except maybe throwing incomplete passes, INTs, or juts flat out getting lucky.


PS I think Eli is a good QB, but be realistic.

 

[RodThePat]

not that i don't trust u, but link?

Check out pro-football-reference.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Go Away. The fact that you're actually trying to compare Eli Manning to Tom Brady proves you're delusional and not really that educated when it comes to forming an opinion that is anything football related.

To Say Eli is on Brady's level is nothing short of hilarious. Brady is possibly the greatest of all time. It's laughable for Eli to even be mentioned in a greatest of all time debate. That alone proves that Eli is NOT on Brady's level.

And yes, Manning HAS played well this year, but let's not kid ourselves. He does a lot of "chucking the ball" downfield hoping for his WRs to just go up and make the miracle catch. He IS easily the luckiest QB I have ever seen play. Don't get me wrong, he's a great QB, but to say he's on Brady's level is hilarious and you're arguing this makes anything you say worthless.

Just go away.

i didn't start this thread or write the article... you obviously haven't read what I said

BUT, im sure all of those times that Brady was winging the ball down to Moss, they were all just beautifully thrown balls and Eli just tosses em up... right?

 

[ProudestRyno]

okay, so are you applying that theory against Brady's early superbowls?

BRADY DROVE THE TEAM DOWN THE FIELD IN 2 MIN DRILLS TO GET INTO POSITION TO WIN THE GAME.

You don't seem to have a brain.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

We as fans have absolutely no input into the coaching plans, you know. Whether we "sleep" or not makes no difference in the preparation of our coaching staff. FYI.

Well thanks for that, I thought I had a chance to dial up some blitzes next week.

I was responding to your personal opinion

 

[ProudestRyno]

i didn't start this thread or write the article... you obviously haven't read what I said

BUT, im sure all of those times that Brady was winging the ball down to Moss, they were all just beautifully thrown balls and Eli just tosses em up... right?

Don't put words in my mouth.


Brady destroys Manning in every facet of the game of football. Your lack of logic that accompanies your counter "argument" baffles me. Just leave.

 

[BigHoss28]

Yes!! Please do more of this NY newspapers! Please, please, please give the Pats more and more bulletin board material.

 

[meyerbudNYG]

Qb

Using this sort of inane logic, Trent Dilfer was the best QB in the NFL in 2000.

really? because im pretty sure the Raven DEFENSE got them to the superbowl, while in our case it was our QB play