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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Ugh those 2 losses make me puke. We handed him those 2 on a silver platter.And I still see a ton of people arguing that Eli Manning is a HOFer because of those two SB runs...
It amazes me how much pats fans hate Eli. That’s how bitter y’all are. This guy missed 1 start since he became the starter and that’s because he got scapegoated.
Eli was never the guy that was going to carry a team. Ben, Tom, brees, and Peyton rarely I’d ever had a bad offensive line. Eli’s been dealing it with it for years. Coughlin and co got the most out of their lines.
Eli is absolutely a hall of famer
Completely agree but have one nit to pick.So, here's what I hear you (and others) saying on the positive side:
I've also heard these as reasons he should/will get in:
- Eli was an ironman QB for years
- he played behind a poor offensive line
- he was the starting QB on his team winning 2 Super Bowls with many games being on the road
- he was named MVP of those Super Bowls
On the negative side:
- he played in (actually for) New York
- he's a Manning
Other:
- he never was an All Pro of any kind
- he made 4 Pro Bowls (which are ridiculously easy to make) over 16 years.
- he was never a top 5 QB in the NFL in any given year. In fact, it can be argued that he was never close to a top 5 QB in the NFL in any year
- he never won a playoff game outside of the 2 Super Bowl years (that's 2 years of advancing beyond the first round in 15+ years as a starter)
- his defense carried the team in both Super Bowl runs and was significantly more responsible for the wins than the offense
- he has a .500 career record
- he has no significant statistical accomplishments to speak of other than perhaps longevity stats
Here are his (traditional) standings compared with his quarterback peers based on QB rating (i.e. not QBR which includes running stats which would negatively impact Eli):
- those who don't believe he should be in the Hall of Fame are haters
2004 34 (of 34) - didn't officially qualify based on volume stats but his rookie year was awful
2005 23
2006 18
2007 25
2008 15
2009 11
2010 17
2011 7
2012 14
2013 35 (of 37)
2014 15
2015 13
2016 22
2017 25
2018 21
2019 25 (2 games)
1 year out of 16 he cracked the top 10 in passing stats.
7 years out of 16 he was in the middle (11 -> 20)
8 years out of 16 he was towards the bottom (21+)
This is your "Hall of Fame" QB.
So the question is, what should the criteria be? If Wes Welker made the catch or the refs called holding or the ball isn't miraculously caught on the helmet or if ball is intercepted by Asante Samuel or the Giants defense doesn't hold the Patriots to under half of what their average points were, are we even having this discussion? I really doubt that just 1 Super Bowl would have made this a serious consideration given all decent QBs over the years who have won just 1.
This isn't the Hall of very good. These are (or should be) excellant players. Not above average players (which I'll give to Eli despite the stats) who caught a few breaks and played well in a few streaks meanwhile accomplishing literally nothing the rest of their careers.
I repeat, it would be a joke if Eli Manning made the Hall of Fame. Not because I'm a hater. But rather because he accomplished so little individually as a QB. He was NEVER a great QB and shouldn't be treated as one. You agree he didn't elevate those around him. Shouldn't that be a *requirement* of a HOF player? I'd say so. Not even once a top 5 QB in the NFL! This is not the criteria we should set for the Hall of Fame. Period.
He was playing the bucs.Looks like we'll face a really good Daniel Jones in a few weeks. He was great today, although a lot of his receivers were wide open. Saquaon Barkely probably own't play as he was seen in a walking boot after the game today.
Just because Jones got the results Manning could not does mean Jones is "really good." He was facing an undisciplined defense.Looks like we'll face a really good Daniel Jones in a few weeks. He was great today, although a lot of his receivers were wide open. Saqaon Barkely probably wo't play as he was seen in a walking boot after the game today.
Just because Jones got the results Manning could not does mean Jones is "really good." He was facing an undisciplined defense.
Eli will get in because of the NY Giant Legacy / Mara family.
Just because Jones got the results Manning could not does mean Jones is "really good." He was facing an undisciplined defense.
People don’t realize how low the bar is with Eli’s play the last few years. He makes everyone on the offense worse. I picked the Giants in my underdog pool today because I figured they aren’t that bad as a team...it’s Eli holding them back.
Eli would never win this game. That's the exact type of game that makes Giants fans excited, against a bad team, etc, turning point game, Eli goes there and does nothing, can't create nothing.
Too soon for Giants fans to celebrate but it's certainly over for Eli. At this point you develop the QB you spend a #6th overall in even if he struggles.