(Edited Title:) Writer thinks Zappe is winning the QB "battle"?

[sb1]

Regarding the embarrassing Bears game: Mac was still hurt and should not have played at all . Zappe looked good until the Bears made and adjustment (not covering our RB with a LB) and then he was toast. Zappe is still a developmental guy. This will come to light when he plays in a pre-season game in the near future.

Also not sure why BB poured gas on the whole thing by being non commital to one guy either way. He made it a “controversy” and it never had to be. Imo

 

[Real fan 02]

Also not sure why BB poured gas on the whole thing by being non commital to one guy either way. He made it a “controversy” and it never had to be. Imo

Agreed.. likely privately BB had to have discussions with his staff about last season. It just didn't have to happen last season.. it's like all the success and growth Mac showed his rookie season was all regressed Last season.

 

[Rob0729]

Also not sure why BB poured gas on the whole thing by being non commital to one guy either way. He made it a “controversy” and it never had to be. Imo

Last year was Belichick’s worst coaching year in his NFL career. He destroyed the offense with his coaching decisions and manufactured a QB controversy.

I fear if things get bad this year for a stretch early, he is going to completely lose the team.

 

[sb1]

Last year clearly wasn’t his best. It wasn’t anyone’s best on offense because of the coaching. They literally took at the strengths of the personnel on offense and developed an offense that minimized their strengths and exploited their weaknesses.

Last year was a wasted year for the entire offense. That doesn’t make Mac a developmental player.

Really was shocking that BB either didn’t notice by the start of preseason that the coaching was not working or he did notice and chose to do nothing.

 

[Froob]

This is brought to you by the same man that said Trent Brown isn’t focused because he bought a new car

 

[Love The Drake]

Really was shocking that BB either didn’t notice by the start of preseason that the coaching was not working or he did notice and chose to do nothing.

My guess it’s a few things.

1. His trust and faith in Matt and Joe, he seen them coach multiple positions and valued what they brought to the table he felt it was getting there. I’m sure he kept saying and or hearing things like this is the week it’s coming together we are right there.

2.The ****iness that he couldn’t possibly of made a mistake this big and that everything was fine. Not saying Bill is but Narcissist’s can’t accept they are ever wrong and have delusions of grandeur, even when the ground is crumbling below their feet.

3. Loyalty, Bill looked at it like I made this commitment to Matt and Joe we are seeing this thru regardless of the product that is on the field. This is the most dangerous on this list as loyalty to friends is an excellent quality but Bill is the highest paid coach by the New England Patriots and should only focus on what’s best for this organization.
I found myself questioning Bills drive and focus to do what’s best for the organization last season it was that sloppy and disorganized and something I would expect to see out of the likes of someone like Eric Mangini, Adam Gase, or Matt Millen.

 

[Froob]

There's plenty of evidence he has the skillset to play at a pretty high level if he sticks to the positives and works on his negatives.

As a starter he was as good as you can hope a rookie to be with the worst offensive coordinator in the league. The Bears game was in the rain and got away from the entire team. He showed some sparks of becoming a starter.

Too short and doesn’t have a great arm. Zappe is a career backup.

 

[XLIX]

Last year clearly wasn’t his best. It wasn’t anyone’s best on offense because of the coaching. They literally took at the strengths of the personnel on offense and developed an offense that minimized their strengths and exploited their weaknesses.

Last year was a wasted year for the entire offense. That doesn’t make Mac a developmental player.

Well if he is not a developmental player and what he has given is all he is capable of, then we should bench him and/or cut him right away.

You can't have it both ways. Either better coaching will help develop Jones this year (i.e. he is a developmental player) or he just straight up sucks.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

What?

Look it up

new england patriots 2022 - Google Search

 

[Rob0729]

Well if he is not a developmental player and what he has given is all he is capable of, then we should bench him and/or cut him right away.

You can't have it both ways. Either better coaching will help develop Jones this year (i.e. he is a developmental player) or he just straight up sucks.

Brady would have looked like a developmental player last year. Take away Brady’s ability to call audibles at the line, make line adjustments, and limit the options he can throw to while having three receivers running to the same area, he would not play well.

I take that back. Brady would have had the cache to ignore the plays that Patricia sent in and called his own plays and call audibles even when he wasn’t allowed to. But that is the advantage of being the GOAT and not a second year player.

 

[Kasmir]

What?

By DVOA, not even true. Unadjusted pass defense VOA was 4th at -10.2% but defense adjusted (DVOA) pass defense was 2nd at -11.6%.

The folks making this claim are forgetting that *all* defenses do significantly worse vs elite QB's. The Pats pass defense last year actually didn't fall off as much vs elite opponents as most teams do.

As an overall defense, they were 3rd in overall defense DVOA, and first by weighted DVOA, meaning on a per play basis they were playing the best defensive football in the league at the end of the season.

A lot of folks get hung up on legacy stats like PPG (points/game) and fail to realize that the Pats special teams and offense gave up far more points than average last year and the defense scored far more points than average. PPG blames the defense for all those points and doesn't credit the defense with being one of the very best defenses at scoring in the league. Adjust for those factors (as I have in a prior post) and the defense was 1st or 2nd in PPG.

 

[Real fan 02]

Well if he is not a developmental player and what he has given is all he is capable of, then we should bench him and/or cut him right away.

You can't have it both ways. Either better coaching will help develop Jones this year (i.e. he is a developmental player) or he just straight up sucks.

Structure! He had it in season 1.. the reason why we on the forum and basically everyone that knows anything about football on all sports news ESPN, ect, nfl network so to speak keep mentioning last season becuase it interrupted his ascension. It didn't have to be.

BB knew it wasn't working and wasn't going to pull the plug to show up his guys. How he did say if it doesn't work then blame him. So we blame him!

Mac now has some rebuilt Structure now with BOB. I'm expecting to see an experienced version of Mac's rookie season. With some NFL experience he will only be better. A middling offense is better than anything from last season's debacle.

 

[Ring 6]

Look it up

new england patriots 2022 - Google Search

Look what up? Your wrong opinion?

 

[Ring 6]

By DVOA, not even true. Unadjusted pass defense VOA was 4th at -10.2% but defense adjusted (DVOA) pass defense was 2nd at -11.6%.

The folks making this claim are forgetting that *all* defenses do significantly worse vs elite QB's. The Pats pass defense last year actually didn't fall off as much vs elite opponents as most teams do.

As an overall defense, they were 3rd in overall defense DVOA, and first by weighted DVOA, meaning on a per play basis they were playing the best defensive football in the league at the end of the season.

A lot of folks get hung up on legacy stats like PPG (points/game) and fail to realize that the Pats special teams and offense gave up far more points than average last year and the defense scored far more points than average. PPG blames the defense for all those points and doesn't credit the defense with being one of the very best defenses at scoring in the league. Adjust for those factors (as I have in a prior post) and the defense was 1st or 2nd in PPG.

Exactly.
No defense is better against good QBs than bad ones. It’s a silly argument.

 

[Zuma]

I don’t know if anyone heard Lazar on PU today but he really nailed the difference in coaching between last year and previous years or this one. In camp Patricia / Judge would have the team run the same play 5 times in a row so the team would get the hang of it and then move on to the next play. The issue was there was no rhyme or reason to sequence of plays…nothing building off of previous plays…just practicing random plays. The other issue was there was limited teaching. Mistakes would be made during those 5 plays but once they were done they moved on to the next random play. And no there was none or very limited film review of the plays either. And of course we know the infamous comment about in-game issues…”we’ll figure out then” which didn’t happen.

Mac, Zappe and the whole ****ing team should get a mulligan for the coaching issues last year.

 

[sb1]

Bill Belichick: Mac Jones had a ‘good offseason,’ Patriots QBs will compete in training camp

“(Mac Jones) was one of our offseason award winners. First in, last out of the building.”

www.bostonherald.com

Good stuff. Like also hearing that he believes Zappe is way ahead of last year. LFG boys.

 

[stinkypete]

Zappa IS winning the QB battle...over Trace McSorley.

 

[sb1]

I don’t know if anyone heard Lazar on PU today but he really nailed the difference in coaching between last year and previous years or this one. In camp Patricia / Judge would have the team run the same play 5 times in a row so the team would get the hang of it and then move on to the next play. The issue was there was no rhyme or reason to sequence of plays…nothing building off of previous plays…just practicing random plays. The other issue was there was limited teaching. Mistakes would be made during those 5 plays but once they were done they moved on to the next random play. And no there was none or very limited film review of the plays either. And of course we know the infamous comment about in-game issues…”we’ll figure out then” which didn’t happen.

Mac, Zappe and the whole ****ing team should get a mulligan for the coaching issues last year.

Unreal. A high school team coaching staff would be more prepared than this.

 

[Zuma]

Unreal. A high school team coaching staff would be more prepared than this.

Agreed. And it falls on BB as well.

 

[XLIX]

Brady would have looked like a developmental player last year. Take away Brady’s ability to call audibles at the line, make line adjustments, and limit the options he can throw to while having three receivers running to the same area, he would not play well.

If you have to play make believe to make your point, then you have a weak point

I take that back. Brady would have had the cache to ignore the plays that Patricia sent in and called his own plays and call audibles even when he wasn’t allowed to. But that is the advantage of being the GOAT and not a second year player.

So what you’re saying is that the Patriots had bad coaching last year but the general idea is that Jones will improve this year with some good coaching.

That’s actually kinda the textbook definition of “developmental player”.

Of course, all this excuse making ignores the fact that if the coaching was so atrocious that it hurt the QB’s performance, then Zappe is definitely starting QB caliber.