Eagles put CB Samuel on trading block....

[vyrago]

I can give you 8.4 million reasons.
And I wouldn't trade either McCourty or Dowling for him straight up. He is 31

and doesn't tackle.

And never did.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

We have hardly any decent corners. I mean what your saying is like me saying ''oh look we have 3, 6ft 4 320lb fat guys sat in the front row, lets get them on the roster as NT'/DT's"

We need quality not quantity.

With a quality pass rush, our corners will look much better than you think.

 

[Ring 6]

This guy is going to be hurt his entire career. Watch. After his rookie contract he will be gone

Thankfully, BB isn't going to make decisions based on your premonition.
I get that you were disappointed he missed his rookie year, and you think its cool to call him glass, but there is no reason to believe he won't be back 100% next year, no more likely to be injured than any other player.
Its the NFL, players get injured.

 

[tobias funke]

This guy is going to be hurt his entire career. Watch. After his rookie contract he will be gone

Either you can see the future or you're just a ****ty person.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

With a quality pass rush, our corners will look much better than you think.

Today, the Pats are without the two leading pass rushers from last year, one is a Bill and the other apparently still can't walk and is unsigned. Exactly where is this mythical pass rush going to come from???????

Samuels is getting cut, period, no way the Iggles pay him 8.4 mil, BB knows this. If after he is cut they want to bring him in at a reduced rate, I would be fine with that. Why trade for that contract, when you can just wait it out.

On oh BTW, Ras IR won't make it to Thanksgiving.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

Today, the Pats are without the two leading pass rushers from last year, one is a Bill and the other apparently still can't walk and is unsigned. Exactly where is this mythical pass rush going to come from???????

Samuels is getting cut, period, no way the Iggles pay him 8.4 mil, BB knows this. If after he is cut they want to bring him in at a reduced rate, I would be fine with that. Why trade for that contract, when you can just wait it out.

On oh BTW, Ras IR won't make it to Thanksgiving.

Precisely my point!
Instead of worrying about trading for secondary help they need to find a trade partner for a pass rusher i.e. Jared Allen.

 

[grux]

Dowling is glass so we can throw him in the dumpster for all i care. Of course we wouldn't pay $8.4 for him. He would HAVE to restructure. He probably wouldn't. But who knows

I wouldn't be surprised if Dowling is starting on opening day. McCourty should be the other starter but Arrington has come a long way. Sterling Moore also played very well towards the end of the year. Hopefully BB continues to upgrade the safety position to help our young corners.

 

[VrabelJr]

With a quality pass rush, our corners will look much better than you think.

Last year we had the best pass rush that this team has had in half a decade. What more do our corners need? Our corners sucked last year because of bad personnel decisions. Hopefully our CBs have developed and are better with another year under their belt.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Asante has some skills situationally depending on scheme, but he also has many warts, most of which have been mentioned already. His biggest though is his total self absorbtion and unwillingness to be a team player. Which is why he's been on the trading block for a long time and they've been actively attempting to trade him for two off seasons now. He doesn't care what scheme you play or what personnel moves you manage to make, he is a starting LCB or he pouts. He offers little or no scheme versatility between his game and his attitude. And he's not talented enough to be that demanding or get away with the diva act. He's been nothing more than a waste of resources for Philly through 4 years of a 6 year hype driven deal. I do believe I predicted they would soon live to regret ever making that deal - and they have.

Jackie MacMullen may have misquoted the tat, but she was spot on about the intent. Some players who enter the league with a chip on their shouder use it to motivate themselves to become better than their critics anticipated. Others live for the opportunity shove it up their critics and some teams ass. Asante is the latter kind of persona who will point to his individual stats selectively and thump his chest and basically say screw anyone who doesn't get me... He is all in as long as Asante Samuel is what the in is. He's not a leader, can be a divisive locker room presence although he's such a loner his influence is limited, he doesn't handle adversity well, he's never accountable, he doesn't elevate the play of those around him, and while he may be coachable to an extent he also refuses to credit coaching for even facilitating his development. No way you add that guy to a young secondary devoid of any real leadership at this juncture. All he'll ever teach them is to get yours.

 

[TheComeback]

In the extremely unlikely event that he would renegotiate his contract, I'd consider it. Too many question marks at corner on this team.

 

[strngplyr]

I agree with Andy, there are about 8.4 million reasons why we shouldn't want Asante right now. If he gets cut and will take a deal that shows his actual value I wouldn't mind seeing him back, otherwise, he isn't worth the money. Our biggest problem on defense is that a wide receiver was the best tackler in the secondary last season. Asante doesn't fix that.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree with Andy, there are about 8.4 million reasons why we shouldn't want Asante right now. If he gets cut and will take a deal that shows his actual value I wouldn't mind seeing him back, otherwise, he isn't worth the money. Our biggest problem on defense is that a wide receiver was the best tackler in the secondary last season. Asante doesn't fix that.

The biggest problem on defense was that they couldn't cover a dead man in a phone booth.

 

[strngplyr]

The biggest problem on defense was that they couldn't cover a dead man in a phone booth.

Who would want to though?

 

[Patriot Missile]

I agree with Andy, there are about 8.4 million reasons why we shouldn't want Asante right now. If he gets cut and will take a deal that shows his actual value I wouldn't mind seeing him back, otherwise, he isn't worth the money. Our biggest problem on defense is that a wide receiver was the best tackler in the secondary last season. Asante doesn't fix that.

If they'd cut those reasons to 4.2 million I'd consider it.

 

[Keyser Söze]

He's burned too many bridges, overrated.

 

[Deus Irae]

Who would want to though?

The 2011 Patriots passing defense would. It would be the only coverage they'd achieved.

Unfortunately, the corpse would probably come up with the catch about 65% of the time.

 

[strngplyr]

The 2011 Patriots passing defense would. It would be the only coverage they'd achieved.

Unfortunately, the corpse would probably come up with the catch about 65% of the time.

Being in a phone booth isn't really fair to the defense. It's like having a free 1 yard cushion on all sides.

 

[DW Toys]

If the Pats have that much cash to throw at a guy i'd much rather see them throw that money, and draft pick at the Vikes, for Jared Allen.
THAT would go a long ways to improving the defense.

If we had only one significant move for 2012, it would be Allen. Makes sense. Can do end on 4-3 obviously and at 270+ and he is only 10 lbs lighter than Jarvis Green who played some pretty good 3-4 DE here but also three inches taller. I have also seen Allen drop into coverage. He has had 42 passes defended in his career (are you shocked?)plus 5 Interceptions. I had a very good Pats writer tell me his opinion that if we did a 3-4 Allen would not fit.

Now for all the nay-Sayers. DeMarcus Ware is an OLB for the Boys in their 3-4. He and Allen are the same age. Allen has more career sacks on a far inferior Team. And here comes the Allen "can't back up once in a while" myth, Ware has only one career interception and has less that half the PDs at 21.

Here is my theory. Most here would agree that Ware would be cheap at $11m this year and $13m next. Mouths would be salivating for that addition to our Defense. That is about where Allen is signed the next two years.

I say Allen can cost us a first rounder. Rumor has been out by many Pro Football Media Outlets that Allen can be had, as the Vikes are going younger. Three of their best Vets were just let go for CAP room. The Vikes fan base is in an uproar about that. Allen leaving would add to that but......I can see the Vikes taking our first rounder and going after Wallace as WR and OT (Kalil should be a first day starter) are the top needs. They now have the CAP space and he and Ponder will be a talented young pass tandem in the league for a while. It takes pressure off slot WR Harvin. The fan base would like to see points scored and excitement. Allen also has two pretty good young DEs behind him as well.

In my opinion you make the trade for one of our firsts that BB will pee away anyway for a bunch of fourth or fifth rounders after he down trades the two or three we might get for that first rounder. Extend Allen to a CAP friendly number. I believe Allen would enjoy the possibility of a ring which is impossible within the next three years of his career with the Vikes especially with the youth on the Lions and Packers.

Anyway, I would pay Allen and the pick before Samuel although I can see him here if agreement between money wasn't his way.

Where as Samuel is a ball hawk and in the box tackling not his forte, how about Samuel as a FS?
DW Toys

 

[Ring 6]

If we had only one significant move for 2012, it would be Allen. Makes sense. Can do end on 4-3 obviously and at 270+ and he is only 10 lbs lighter than Jarvis Green who played some pretty good 3-4 DE here but also three inches taller. I have also seen Allen drop into coverage. He has had 42 passes defended in his career (are you shocked?)plus 5 Interceptions. I had a very good Pats writer tell me his opinion that if we did a 3-4 Allen would not fit.

Now for all the nay-Sayers. DeMarcus Ware is an OLB for the Boys in their 3-4. He and Allen are the same age. Allen has more career sacks on a far inferior Team. And here comes the Allen "can't back up once in a while" myth, Ware has only one career interception and has less that half the PDs at 21.

Here is my theory. Most here would agree that Ware would be cheap at $11m this year and $13m next. Mouths would be salivating for that addition to our Defense. That is about where Allen is signed the next two years.

I say Allen can cost us a first rounder. Rumor has been out by many Pro Football Media Outlets that Allen can be had, as the Vikes are going younger. Three of their best Vets were just let go for CAP room. The Vikes fan base is in an uproar about that. Allen leaving would add to that but......I can see the Vikes taking our first rounder and going after Wallace as WR and OT (Kalil should be a first day starter). They now have the CAP space and he and Ponder will be a talented young pass tandem in the league for a while. It takes pressure off slot WR Harvin. The fan base would like to see point scored. Allen also has two pretty good young DEs behind him as well.

In my opinion you make the trade for one of our firsts that BB will pee away anyway for a bunch of fourth or fifth rounders after he down trades the two or three we might get. Extend Allen to a CAP friendly number. I believe Allen would enjoy the possibility of a ring which is impossible within the next three years of his career with the Vikes with the youth on the Lions and Packers.

Anyway, I would pay Allen and the pick before Samuel although I can see him here if agreement between money wasn't his way.

Where as Samuel is a ball hawk and in the box tackling not his forte, how about Samuel as a FS?
DW Toys

FYI when a DL bats down a pass it is considered a pass defensed.

 

[Ring 6]

The 2011 Patriots passing defense would. It would be the only coverage they'd achieved.

Unfortunately, the corpse would probably come up with the catch about 65% of the time.

Imagine the drops, though. It would put Lee Evans to shame.