Dolphins release Andre Branch enter Trey Flowers?

[SBLIII]

People really need to stop with the tag and trade stuff, it’s not allowed anymore and it’s stupid to push the envelope on it.

KC is doing it with Ford. Seems to be legal.

 

[billdog3484]

Just because another franchise wants to abuse the tag it doesn’t mean you do the same. Tag and trade is an abuse of the tag, and the Patriots should stand by the spirit of the rule,

lol an abuse of the rule. get out of here. a rule is a rule. theres not spirit of a rule.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Can we please Franchise and trade him so we don't let the Miami Douchbags snatch him.

Would love to keep him around but if he gets tagged, it would be in the 17-18 million range which is pretty crazy. A contract extension is more in the teams best interest.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't see the Patriots going high enough to keep Flowers out of Miami. Even taking cap considerations out of it, Flores has clearly been surrounding himself with familiar faces on the coaching staff to help with his transition to HC. Flowers would provide not only a great player, but a "player representative" so to speak to help relay his concepts. Flowers could lead by example on a team that might have to learn a new defense.

On the flip side, having a coach that he likes and is familiar with removes some of the motivation that might cause a player like Flowers to take a home town discount (even if that was something he was willing to do, which would surprise me). I'd love to have him back, but I feel the writing is on the wall here. Miami will outbid the Patriots for him, because he is more valuable to them than he is to us. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way to either team, just the way it is IMO.

Why does assume that Flores will want to built his team in the image of the patriots yet not exercise cap judgment and just outspend the competition?
If “we” don’t think it’s worth going that high why would he? Especially when he has so many other problems to deal with?
Free agency has been an area where the dolphins are always the opposite of the patriots so why would they bring in a patriot guy and still do that?

 

[PatsFan2]

17-18 million?? Trey Flowers would be all over that tag I don't see any complaints from him or his agent. If the Dolphins really want him I would tag and Trade and get their Second Rounder.

 

[PatsFan2]

17-18 million?? Trey Flowers would be all over that tag I don't see any complaints from him or his agent. If the Dolphins really want him I would tag and Trade and get there Second Rounder.

Add another Second Rounder to what we already have we could easily get up to #10 and Target someone.

 

[SBLIII]

Add another Second Rounder to what we already have we could easily get up to #10 and Target someone.

I love the idea of Dexter Lawrence or Jeffery Simmons at 32.

 

[TBR]

Why does assume that Flores will want to built his team in the image of the patriots yet not exercise cap judgment and just outspend the competition?
If “we” don’t think it’s worth going that high why would he? Especially when he has so many other problems to deal with?
Free agency has been an area where the dolphins are always the opposite of the patriots so why would they bring in a patriot guy and still do that?

Flores isn't the Dolphins GM. I doubt he'll be involved in cap management.

 

[Ring 6]

Flores isn't the Dolphins GM. I doubt he'll be involved in cap management.

So he will have input on free agents but not on fitting them in the cap? That makes no sense.

 

[TBR]

So he will have input on free agents but not on fitting them in the cap? That makes no sense.

Yes, he'll provide input on free agents. This doesn't mean he's the one responsible for cap management.

McDaniels provides input on free agents. You think he's involved with cap management?

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, he'll provide input on free agents. This doesn't mean he's the one responsible for cap management.

McDaniels provides input on free agents. You think he's involved with cap management?

McDaniels is not the head coach.

 

[ralmat55]

So he will have input on free agents but not on fitting them in the cap? That makes no sense.

If he doesn’t, Flores has no chance of succeeding there.

 

[Ring 6]

If he doesn’t, Flores has no chance of succeeding there.

And why would they hire a guy from New England and continue to run the front office the Miami way?

 

[TBR]

McDaniels is not the head coach.

What don't you understand about the fact someone can provide input on players without being the one who manages the cap? My God.

 

[Ring 6]

What don't you understand about the fact someone can provide input on players without being the one who manages the cap? My God.

What don’t you understand about the likelihood that isn’t that case.
As I said, your argument is that the patriots have dominated the division with a different approach to building a team than Miami and Miami comes and hires a head coach from the patriots, asks him what players he wants, do not ask him how much value they bring or how they fit into the cap, ignore discussing the alternatives that cost less, and then go break the bank for them like the patriots wouldn’t.
An NFL players value is contingent on his contract.
“Hey Brian tell us who you want, but don’t you dare consider how much they cost and how many other players we won’t be able to get.”

 

[TBR]

What don’t you understand about the likelihood that isn’t that case.
As I said, your argument is that the patriots have dominated the division with a different approach to building a team than Miami and Miami comes and hires a head coach from the patriots, asks him what players he wants, do not ask him how much value they bring or how they fit into the cap, ignore discussing the alternatives that cost less, and then go break the bank for them like the patriots wouldn’t.
An NFL players value is contingent on his contract.
“Hey Brian tell us who you want, but don’t you dare consider how much they cost and how many other players we won’t be able to get.”

This is one massive straw man.

 

[Sicilian]

Why does assume that Flores will want to built his team in the image of the patriots yet not exercise cap judgment and just outspend the competition?
If “we” don’t think it’s worth going that high why would he? Especially when he has so many other problems to deal with?
Free agency has been an area where the dolphins are always the opposite of the patriots so why would they bring in a patriot guy and still do that?

Because I don't necessarily think that the way the Patriots and BB approach team building is A) Something everyone has the discipline and patience to do, and B) Everyone under him automatically agrees with. Flores may bring a lot of defensive and game planning concepts with him that Belichick taught him, but do you think, after one year of being a DC without even the official title, that suddenly he's a Belichick clone when it comes to roster management?

 

[Ring 6]

This is one massive straw man.

My question was:

How do people assume Miami will overlay flowers and the patriots won’t when they just hired their hc from the patriots and overpaying for free agents is one of the biggest differences between the teams.
We want to be more like the patriots, so we are going to hire a coach who has only coached in that system. Then we are going to reverse the team building process he coached under and leave him out of those decisions.
That is what your argument amounts to.

Why would Flores take the job?

 

[Ring 6]

Because I don't necessarily think that the way the Patriots and BB approach team building is A) Something everyone has the discipline and patience to do, and B) Everyone under him automatically agrees with. Flores may bring a lot of defensive and game planning concepts with him that Belichick taught him, but do you think, after one year of being a DC without even the official title, that suddenly he's a Belichick clone when it comes to roster management?

Belichick is the only HC/GM he has worked for.
Sure Miami could be stupid and build a team in the direct opposite way of the team that owns then after hiring a hc away from them, but why?

 

[Sicilian]

Belichick is the only HC/GM he has worked for.
Sure Miami could be stupid and build a team in the direct opposite way of the team that owns then after hiring a hc away from them, but why?

I think perhaps you're assigning an extreme to this situation that I didn't intend. I may not have worded it properly. I'm not saying Miami has no budget for what they're willing to pay Flowers, or that what they're willing to pay is substantially higher than what the Patriots would. Just that he (IMO) will be worth more to them in their situation and thus the price they are willing to go for him will be higher. Or do you think that Flores, on top of learning the general philosophy that Belichick uses, also evaluates the value of every player exactly the same as BB would?