Debate Brady vs Belichick?

[sb1]

Brady threw for 505 with 3 TD's and 0 INT's in an epic performance. They lost the game because the defense was a sieve with their starting corner on the sideline.

And he did that against the Eagles 4th ranked scoring defense. No tomato cans. They were one of the best in the league.

One of the greatest championship performances you’ll ever see. The ”mistake” Brady made at the end of the game took nothing away from it. The much bigger blunder was Malcolm Butler on the sidelines watching the defense getting lit up like a gas can by Nick Foles.

 

[Tony2046]

We’re not sniffing the division title for a while that answers your question

I partially disagree. I think it's a possibility next season. But I will say that it will be tougher to obtain.

 

[Kontradiction]

Ready for this?

Beatles are so overrated its ridiculous. Yes I know I will get heat for this take but I honestly don't understand people's obsession with them. So many better bands/artists in the same time. Sorry, but not sorry.

The Beatles stuff after they started doing acid was a lot better than when they first came on the scene. That was trash. Their psychedelic stuff was so much better.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

And he did that against the Eagles 4th ranked scoring defense. No tomato cans. They were one of the best in the league.

One of the greatest championship performances you’ll ever see. The ”mistake” Brady made at the end of the game took nothing away from it. The much bigger blunder was Malcolm Butler on the sidelines watching the defense getting lit up like a gas can by Nick Foles.

We can argue who made the bigger blunder, Belichick or Brady. We'll never know if Butler would have been effective in this game. There were rumors that he was doing drugs the night before and was caught by Belichick's son. We do know Brady wouldn't have fumbled the ball if he wasn't so focused on hitting Gronk on a seam route when instead could have hit James White for a first down (and who would have stepped out of bounds stopping the clock). Ironically, it was the same thing he did in SB 42 at the end of the first half when he tried to go for a big play and got strip-sacked by Tuck, so instead of a FG (which would have come in handy at the end) the Pats turned the ball over. Brady is also almost always good for 1-2 INTs in the super bowl, which obviously puts a lot of pressure on Belichick's defense. Bottom line is they both have made mistakes.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Brady threw for 505 with 3 TD's and 0 INT's in an epic performance. They lost the game because the defense was a sieve with their starting corner on the sideline.

Do you always use lies to support your arguments?

Brady has played in 9 Super Bowls and he had 2 INT's once. In SB 49 against an all-time great Seattle defense that Brady also lit up for 328, 4 TD's and a 101.1 QBR while engineering one of his historic 4th quarter comebacks.

Brady had 1 or 0 INT's in the remaining 8 Super Bowls so you were just a little off, wouldn't you say?

You do also realize Brady led game-winning drives in each their 6 Super Bowl victories. Which probably is the single most impressive stat in all of professional sports.

He knows. Trolls have every negative play and stat in their back pockets and cant wait for the opportunity to use them

 

[sb1]

Brady is also almost always good for 1-2 INTs in the super bowl, which obviously puts a lot of pressure on Belichick's defense.

SB 36- 0 int
SB 38- 1
SB 39 - 0
SB 42- 0
SB 46- 1
SB 49- 2
SB 51- 1
SB 52- 0
SB 53 - 1
Not sure if I’d call this “almost always good for 1-2 ints”. I’m not going to zero in on one mistake at the end of a SB performance where anything less would have meant we get totally blown out.

 

[crawhammer]

Brady is also almost always good for 1-2 INTs in the super bowl, which obviously puts a lot of pressure on Belichick's defense.

This is at least twice you've asserted the same lie. It's been refuted twice with detailed facts.

Pay attention now... Brady had 2 INT's in one Super Bowl. A game they won with Brady as the MVP. He had 1 INT in four other Super Bowls... they won three of those games with Brady as the MVP in two.

Two of the Super Bowl losses ended with the defense being unable to stop Eli Manning who is an utterly mediocre quarterback. In the other loss, Brady threw for 505, 3 TD's and 0 INT's but the defense couldn't stop friggin Nick Foles who has fewer career starts (55) than Brady has postseason TD's (73).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This is at least twice you've asserted the same lie. It's been refuted twice with detailed facts.

Pay attention now... Brady had 2 INT's in one Super Bowl. A game they won with Brady as the MVP. He had 1 INT in four other Super Bowls... they won three of those games with Brady as the MVP in two.

Two of the Super Bowl losses ended with the defense being unable to stop Eli Manning who is an utterly mediocre quarterback. In the other loss, Brady threw for 505, 3 TD's and 0 INT's but the defense couldn't stop friggin Nick Foles who has fewer career starts (55) than Brady has postseason TD's (73).

That's why I used the word "almost" - maybe you should learn to read. That's 6 INTs in 9 Super bowls, making him 4th all time in Super Bowl INTS. So yes, he has been stellar in big games but he also makes mistakes. Quit acting like everything that went wrong in the 3 super bowl losses in the Brady/Belichick era is all on Bill.

Eli Manning an "utterly mediocre quarterback?" What an idiot you are. You can argue he's not going to be a HOFer, but he's not an "utterly mediocre quarterback." The guy has 2 SB MVPs, 2 SB wins, and is top 10 in TDs and yards thrown all time. There is nothing mediocre about his career. In any event, by calling him mediocre, it means Brady lost twice to a mediocre quarterback, once in the most important game of his career.

 

[lancerman]

The Beatles stuff after they started doing acid was a lot better than when they first came on the scene. That was trash. Their psychedelic stuff was so much better.

The Beatles real strength was that they had insane range as a band. They had the light pop rock stuff early on, then the psychedlic stuff, then they had some bangers of just hard rock (Heltar Skeltar is almost an early metal song) and they had hits in every area they tried to explore in.

 

[crawhammer]

That's why I used the word "almost" - maybe you should learn to read. That's 6 INTs in 9 Super bowls, making him 4th all time in Super Bowl INTS. So yes, he has been stellar in big games but he also makes mistakes. Quit acting like everything that went wrong in the 3 super bowl losses in the Brady/Belichick era is all on Bill.

Eli Manning an "utterly mediocre quarterback?" What an idiot you are. You can argue he's not going to be a HOFer, but he's not an "utterly mediocre quarterback." The guy has 2 SB MVPs, 2 SB wins, and is top 10 in TDs and yards thrown all time. There is nothing mediocre about him. In any event, by calling him mediocre, it means Brady lost twice to a mediocre quarterback, once in the most important game of his career.

First you said Brady annually threw 2 INT's. Then you subtly changed it to 1-2 INT's per Super Bowl. Both are grossly incorrect. Your initial take was only off by 200%. Asserting "almost" doesn't make you right either because 6 total INT's in 9 games is not almost 1-2 per game either.

You do realize we're talking about Super Bowl games, right? Like typically the opponent is pretty damn good. So only 6 picks in 9 Super Bowls is pretty impressive. And yes he's thrown the 4th most picks in Super Bowls but he's appeared in almost twice as many Super Bowls as Elway who appeared in 5 (and has thrown the most picks with 8). Brady has 392 Super Bowl pass attempts; Peyton Manning is second with 155 attempts. Bledsoe threw 4 INT's in his one SB appearance. Brady also has the most SB TD's by a wide margin, his 18 to Montana's 11.

As for Eli Manning, yes he's mediocre, and that's being generous. He has a career .500 record. He never led the league in TD's, yards, QBR or any other statistical category other than INT's which he accomplished three times. He once had 27 INT's in a season which is outrageously bad. He had the two nice postseason runs that culminated in SB titles but he was one-and-done in his four other postseason appearances (where he threw 7 picks).

 

[carmelo15]

Let’s face it Brady is most known and celebrated for wins and championships and not so much for stats, plays that make you say wow, or “most talented” or anything like that. Other QBs are in these conversations ahead of Brady.

Therefore does this mean if Brady doesn’t win another title then it’s proof he needed Bill to win his titles and without Bill he’s only another one of many QBs who has never won a thing?

I don’t think so.

It’s fair at this point to give Brady more credit for the dynasty than Bill but both of their legacies are set no matter what.

not when Brady is 43

 

[carmelo15]

Butler should have played that night. Bill could have played him, Pats likely win the SB, and then if he needed to be punished, then tell him after the game to clean out his locker and give him his walking papers.

how any backs BB on this is beyond me if I were in that locker room that day I’d slap BB after the game. Rip and announce that Butler won’t be back the following year right after the super bowl but why not play his ass when you see the other teams back up QB marching up and down the field the whole half

 

[carmelo15]

2019 TB Offense: 28.6ppg. 398ypg
2020 TB Offense: 28.6ppg. 362ypg

If they win the super bowl just throw this stat out there it will nullify that ring and playoff birth right

 

[SHOWTIME15]

First you said Brady annually threw 2 INT's. Then you subtly changed it to 1-2 INT's per Super Bowl. Both are grossly incorrect. Your initial take was only off by 200%. Asserting "almost" doesn't make you right either because 6 total INT's in 9 games is not almost 1-2 per game either.

You do realize we're talking about Super Bowl games, right? Like typically the opponent is pretty damn good. So only 6 picks in 9 Super Bowls is pretty impressive. And yes he's thrown the 4th most picks in Super Bowls but he's appeared in almost twice as many Super Bowls as Elway who appeared in 5 (and has thrown the most picks with 8). Brady has 392 Super Bowl pass attempts; Peyton Manning is second with 155 attempts. Bledsoe threw 4 INT's in his one SB appearance. Brady also has the most SB TD's by a wide margin, his 18 to Montana's 11.

As for Eli Manning, yes he's mediocre, and that's being generous. He has a career .500 record. He never led the league in TD's, yards, QBR or any other statistical category other than INT's which he accomplished three times. He once had 27 INT's in a season which is outrageously bad. He had the two nice postseason runs that culminated in SB titles but he was one-and-done in his four other postseason appearances (where he threw 7 picks).

Like I said, a complete idiot

 

[203Pat]

Can you people just go to the Tampa Bay forums? It's clear you are just Brady nuthuggers with how you use this year as the definitive answer in Belichick vs Brady.

Get the f**k out here with this "Brady went to a new team" sh!t. Brady went to a stacked offensive team and even brought in his guys Gronk and Brown. An offense in which just last year Jameis Winston threw for 5100 yards and 33 TD. It's hilarious how you use "new team" to COPE when people bring up how Brady has **** the bed against the Saints 2x, Rams, Chiefs and the f**king Bears. Yet run to this forum hailing him the "victor" in Belichick vs Brady when he beats up on teams like the Chargers and Raiders or when he makes a comeback against the Falcons who have choked games they had a 95%+ probability of winning against the Lions, Cowboys and Bears. Imagine how much you suck to choke games to those 3 teams this year.

Fact that you people don't want to hear any argument about how they needed a cap reset and a rebuild after being 3 points away from being in 5 straight SBs just proves you made up your mind before Brady even left.

 

[203Pat]

2019 TB Offense: 28.6ppg. 398ypg
2020 TB Offense: 28.6ppg. 362ypg

When you’re not playing from behind and turning the ball over constantly you don’t need to score as much or keep chucking the ball all over the place. I really don’t get the attempts on here to diminish what Brady is doing.

 

[RobertWeathers]

When you’re not playing from behind and turning the ball over constantly you don’t need to score as much or keep chucking the ball all over the place. I really don’t get the attempts on here to diminish what Brady is doing.

agree. see other posts.

Point is Tom had a lot to work with regardless.

He was expected to do well with the talent they had down there as he has.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If they win the super bowl just throw this stat out there it will nullify that ring and playoff birth right

huh?

 

[amfootball]

agree. see other posts.

Point is Tom had a lot to work with regardless.

He was expected to do well with the talent they had down there as he has.

I think most thought he would do well. Not sure that many thought he would be pushing 35+ TDs and 4400+ yards. He has more passing yards then Rodgers which is saying something. Many thought his struggles last year were not just the personnel but also that he was declining physically. What I have noticed besides the stats, is that he has complete command of the pocket. He is willing to stand in there to make the throws down the field and also manipulate the pocket with his feet. Those have been the things that have stood out to me as I was not sure if he was still capable of that on a consistent basis. I think he is pretty pumped to have the weapons he has and an offensive-minded HC. He looks downright spry out there at times and throwing a lot of lasers and dimes. That 50 yard TD pass on a rope to Brown to win the game was not a throw I thought he still had in him. I was happy to be wrong.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think most thought he would do well. Not sure that many thought he would be pushing 35+ TDs and 4400+ yards. He has more passing yards then Rodgers which is saying something. Many thought his struggles last year were not just the personnel but also that he was declining physically. What I have noticed besides the stats, is that he has complete command of the pocket. He is willing to stand in there to make the throws down the field and also manipulate the pocket with his feet. Those have been the things that have stood out to me as I was not sure if he was still capable of that on a consistent basis. I think he is pretty pumped to have the weapons he has and an offensive-minded HC. He looks downright spry out there at times and throwing a lot of lasers and dimes. That 50 yard TD pass on a rope to Brown to win the game was not a throw I thought he still had in him. I was happy to be wrong.

I do think Tom has lost "something". Quick twitch muscle responnse, mental acuity, etc. Christ hes 43 years old. We've all lost something at that age.

It's obvious whatever he has lost physically the talent he has at his disposal has compensated for it.